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Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 2
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Just get him a gift card or something. That way he can get what he wants.
First of all, the emphasis was on royal, not runner runner. The fact that it came runner runner was just an extra detail that made it even weirder.
Second, I flopped what I thought was two overcards to his J (didn't put him on QJ or KJ) and the up and down, which would have put me on about 14 outs (or 13 if he had AJ).
Anyway, on the flop I was 40% chance to win against his KJ, and 75% chance to win after the turn.
Besides, I was hardly pissed, shook the guys hand and left with a smile, that loss will be memorable, but the other two hands are the ones that killed me. I obviously would not have pushed had I had more chips. And call-betting the turn would have most likely made him fold, but again I pushed to make him fold more than anything.
So we have
[x] Runner runner royal flush
[x] Got money in bad
[x] Turned villian
[x] Got rivered...
Welcome to my life....
Barca, why didnt you think he could have QJ or KJ, i.e have you reverse dominated. It happens a lot more often the people actually think, not all of them are calling raises with J5 mouthbreathers...
Also, if you put people on a J in that spot, they generally are the types to be folding it going by their description. So you are an underdog by your descripition... with little fold equity but shoved? Maybe you had a read, but meh, not my play usually...
Also, with the random nutbag with the T9 for the straight, you really shouldnt be "calling for information" with randoms you will never meet again most likely. I have called some people I know at Burswood light for info, but in each case I have assumed that I can be good at least a small % of the time, and the information from the call covers the times when I am not good with my second pair. For example, I dont call to "see whether he had it... but to see whether he makes really thin value bets on the river, as well as to how he handled either being called down light for the rest of the session, or occasinally (I mean once) how someone would handle getting called really really light and being good...
I had been playing with the guy for a while, and he seemed to like to call EVERY pre-flop raise, but fold once challenged. Example, I call a preflop raise with 45off because 6 people before me have called and i'm in position. Flop gives me up and down, there is also a flush draw. Same guy leads out for $30, only one caller, and then I decide i'm gonna call and act on the turn. The turn completes the flush and the guy bets $17, i've rarely seen a weaker turn-bet to be honest, the other guy folds, and I raise to $50, he folds. It's pretty easy to get him to fold if you represent a good hand, and he was giving me a lot of respect, thanks largely to me getting him to push into my pocket AA when he had top pair (K) with good kicker on a flushless/straightless board in an earlier hand.
So I made a move, since there were 4 callers pre on a $20 raise and he was last to call I very easily thought it was possible he had J9, J8, J7 etc etc. So if I didn't put him on KJ or QJ (which I didn't) then my push had a worst case scenario of me having 14 (or 13 depending on the hand) outs according to my read. So I pushed, and he nearly folded. Nearly paid off for me as well.
I wasn't calling for information. I was calling because I was extremely pissed at his smirk. A tilt-call if you will. I just REALLY wanted to see what this ******** had. It paid off a little when he tried to do it to me again, kept chasing, and I checked the river (knowing he had missed) so that he would bet, and he did. Obviously didn't make enough of the money back though.
Also, I did have top pair on the board so that small % that you talked about was there.
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well done getting ur wallet back Borgsta 
In completely unrelated news, you may recall that Crown had a small issue with counterfeit 1k chips, so they withdrew them all from circulation. For a while there, they would not distribute the new chips in the poker room, 500s and 5000s ok, but no 1000 chips. That policy has now changed and I took a pic:
Got to Crown with a mate at 6:30 Monday evening, not really that interested in playing, but whatever, we'll see how it goes. Decided I'd focus on really playing well, playing position and not playing funky.
Couldn't help myself, I was a little bit funky on the Hand of The Night©. Too many limpers for my liking, I raise to 18 from the BB. Some people cannot spell the word fold, anyway, I think 5 of us see the flop. Flop: 10:club: 7:diamond: 6:diamond:. I check, and it checks round surprisingly. Turn: 4:spade:. OK, enough of this, I bet half-pot, next guy calls, MP shoves for 163.
There was only one hand I thought he could have that beats me, but I didn't give him the ol' Joe Hachem "You got 85 kid?" I call, other guy folds. He shows his turned set of 4s. Wow, sick turn! I show 53 for the 3rd nut straight. He couldn't believe it. He was 100% sure he had me. Left 900 up which has been my average lately.
In completely unrelated news, you may recall that Crown had a small issue with counterfeit 1k chips, so they withdrew them all from circulation. For a while there, they would not distribute the new chips in the poker room, 500s and 5000s ok, but no 1000 chips. That policy has now changed and I took a pic:
Got to Crown with a mate at 6:30 Monday evening, not really that interested in playing, but whatever, we'll see how it goes. Decided I'd focus on really playing well, playing position and not playing funky.
Couldn't help myself, I was a little bit funky on the Hand of The Night©. Too many limpers for my liking, I raise to 18 from the BB. Some people cannot spell the word fold, anyway, I think 5 of us see the flop. Flop: 10:club: 7:diamond: 6:diamond:. I check, and it checks round surprisingly. Turn: 4:spade:. OK, enough of this, I bet half-pot, next guy calls, MP shoves for 163.
There was only one hand I thought he could have that beats me, but I didn't give him the ol' Joe Hachem "You got 85 kid?" I call, other guy folds. He shows his turned set of 4s. Wow, sick turn! I show 5
3 for the 3rd nut straight. He couldn't believe it. He was 100% sure he had me. Left 900 up which has been my average lately.I'm with Ash on this one. You don't have enough information to eliminate KJ and QJ from his range (not to mention JT). Plenty of passive players are also capable of limp-calling AJ. On the other hand, even bad players will usually throw away J2-J8 to a raise*.
* unless it's SOOOTED!
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Never! Will take me a while to get over that complete ****wit the other week that put in 261 pre-flop with 9:club:7:club: against my cowboys and made a jack high straight
Mate today raised pre to 16, flop T65. Bets 25, gets called. Turn 7. Shoves for 125. Fish has him covered and calls.
River: J.
Mate shows AA. Fish shows J6o of course.
You should be entitled to just punch them in the head.
That put my mate on tilt and he dropped 500. I continued my recent good run making 650 in under 4 hours. Odd thing is that I haven't really been pumped to play lately. I've been going in cos this or that mate wanted to play, so I'm like "Yeah whatever". One mate says I should play 2/5. I probably should some time, I'm not fussed.
Never! Will take me a while to get over that complete ****wit the other week that put in 261 pre-flop with 9:club:7:club: against my cowboys and made a jack high straight
Mate today raised pre to 16, flop T65. Bets 25, gets called. Turn 7. Shoves for 125. Fish has him covered and calls.
River: J.
Mate shows AA. Fish shows J6o of course.
You should be entitled to just punch them in the head.
That put my mate on tilt and he dropped 500. I continued my recent good run making 650 in under 4 hours. Odd thing is that I haven't really been pumped to play lately. I've been going in cos this or that mate wanted to play, so I'm like "Yeah whatever". One mate says I should play 2/5. I probably should some time, I'm not fussed.
You do that and suddenly BAM you start losing money. Seriously, when you are on a run don't change what you are doing.
Went there on Saturday night, 1st hand KQos, raise it up from LP get a few callers. Flop 10 Q 4:spade: guy lead out donks $25ish, I make it $80 and the guy behind flats. Blank on turn and river and we check it down, he shows AK. Rebuy $100, double a few hands later by flopping a straight and getting it all in on the river, guy didn't show. So my stack was at about $400.
About 20mins later, cut-off raises to $15, I call with JQdd in the BB. Flop K104r, I check whilst watching him the whole time - he hadn't looked at the flop yet the second he did he instantly checked back so put him on something big straight away. Turn brings the oh so beautiful 9 and I lead out $25, he min-raises me to $50 and I think for about 5-10 seconds before shoving for his last $250ish he instantly calls and I ask if he has a set he nods, river....4 FML. He flips over 1010 and I show my JQdd to make sure he knows he got lucky. Quality on the table was terrible as usual for a Saturday night; planned on leaving but but that pot put me on tilt so just said might as well try and double my remaining $120.
Couple hands later raise A10ss in EP because i'm a donk and get 1 call from a bad player, flop AxJ:diamond:Q:diamond: i've only got about $100 left and I just shove a.) was on tilt and b.) didn't want to give any free cards. He calls and we agree to show, he flips A:diamond:8:diamond: and I somehow manage to fade his 12 outs and leave before the BB reaches me down about $100 which wasn't too bad after losing that $600 pot getting it in with the nuts.
Q 4:spade: guy lead out donks $25ish, I make it $80 and the guy behind flats. Blank on turn and river and we check it down, he shows AK. Rebuy $100, double a few hands later by flopping a straight and getting it all in on the river, guy didn't show. So my stack was at about $400. About 20mins later, cut-off raises to $15, I call with JQdd in the BB. Flop K104r, I check whilst watching him the whole time - he hadn't looked at the flop yet the second he did he instantly checked back so put him on something big straight away. Turn brings the oh so beautiful 9 and I lead out $25, he min-raises me to $50 and I think for about 5-10 seconds before shoving for his last $250ish he instantly calls and I ask if he has a set he nods, river....4 FML. He flips over 1010 and I show my JQdd to make sure he knows he got lucky. Quality on the table was terrible as usual for a Saturday night; planned on leaving but but that pot put me on tilt so just said might as well try and double my remaining $120.
Couple hands later raise A10ss in EP because i'm a donk and get 1 call from a bad player, flop AxJ:diamond:Q:diamond: i've only got about $100 left and I just shove a.) was on tilt and b.) didn't want to give any free cards. He calls and we agree to show, he flips A:diamond:8:diamond: and I somehow manage to fade his 12 outs and leave before the BB reaches me down about $100 which wasn't too bad after losing that $600 pot getting it in with the nuts.
Went there on Saturday night, 1st hand KQos, raise it up from LP get a few callers. Flop 10
I guess he had AQ, or it was a K on the flop. But either way, he checked the turn *and* river? In position? Wow I wish those guys were on my left every day of the week.
Sorry, yes it was a King on the flop. He was first to act - in the SB IIRC, but like I said, the play on Saturday night's is just God awful.
But oh so yummy for our wallets. To many short stackers as it gets later though for my liking. Is annoying sitting with 1k and having most of the other ppl at the table with 100 and less.
Annoying to some extent, but really they're just going to get themselves committed with middle/bottom pair and weak hands pre-flop so it's still nice and profitable. Can't wait to get my license (6 days), will be heading in late at night regularly when everyone is either half-asleep or drunk.
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Really ambivalent about going tonight for the $130 Aussie Millions Opening Event satellite. I think there was once last week, tonight, then next Thursday also.
Can't get motivated for live satellites or tournaments.
Can't get motivated for live satellites or tournaments.
Yeh there was one last week, if I pass i'll have my license by next Thursday so i'll head in for that. Why no motivation?
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