Crows Chat That 'Doesnt Deserve Its Own Thread' Thread part 2

[Mattrox]

Was that from last years finals?

No, from the PTSD starting around 2006 onward.

 

[Interceptor]

Just browsing a removalist web website and there's that number again:

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[GreyCrow]

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Snide social media remarks, late night calls, relentless workload: The emotional toll of being an AFL coach.

By Brenton Sanderson

Brenton Sanderson

Age

52

Ht

185cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

11.0

4star

HB

4.6

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

22.4

5star

K

16.0

5star

HB

6.4

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

Early in my tenure as senior coach at Adelaide in 2012, players would move freely about my office, sprawl across the couches, throw darts at the dartboard I had set up, and chat to me about what was happening in their day. About footy, about life, about whatever was floating through their minds.

I loved the opportunity to debrief with them about the game at the weekend, and relished the chance to get to know them more as people. The players trusted the space they were in and they trusted me.

But as my time at the Crows went on and the losses piled up – as I searched, foolishly, alone for answers to solve the problems the team was facing – the office visits became less frequent and the buoyant nature of those conversations became increasingly strained.

Before long, players had to knock to enter my office. I had closed the door on them, figuratively and literally, without even realising. Reflecting on that now, 12 years after I was relieved as the coach of the Crows, it was the clearest possible sign that the pressure and expectation that comes with the role of being a senior coach was getting the better of me.

I was shutting the people out who were trying to help me. I just couldn’t see it at the time. That’s the reality of emotional instability in coaching. It doesn’t announce itself. It sneaks up on you. You become agitated with people. Your tolerance dissipates, and your patience fades.

You become less enjoyable to be around and the positivity that you once exuded becomes something you have to generate consciously.

When I got sacked by Adelaide, my sister Michelle said to me that she was relieved. Not that I’d lost my job, but that I’d been forced to hit the brakes on how I was approaching my job and my life. “I could tell you were getting really sick,” she said. She didn’t mean physically. She meant emotionally. And she was right.

Full article:

Snide social media remarks, late night calls, relentless workload: The emotional toll of being an AFL coach

This former AFL coach says the job made him agitated and intolerant. He fears a serious incident if they are not given more support.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Cromulant]

Good read.

 

[Cromulant]

Makes you wonder where our current senior coach is in that cycle.

Players and coaches need an outlet to get away from the game to switch off, like any of us do from our work.... if you dont you get swallowed up.

 

[FR0GGY]

Makes you wonder where our current senior coach is in that cycle.

Players and coaches need an outlet to get away from the game to switch off, like any of us do from our work.... if you dont you get swallowed up.

Nicks hasn’t got a solid door up, but a fly screen.
It’s why he’s lost his mojo.

 

[Soggy2112]

Makes you wonder where our current senior coach is in that cycle.

Players and coaches need an outlet to get away from the game to switch off, like any of us do from our work.... if you dont you get swallowed up.

The comment about closed doors is interesting.

Obviously a lot of modern coaching is moving towards being more holistic and asking coaches to view their role as much more than just training and game day. However that emotional toll of managing 40 or so different players and their wellbeing, on top of the high pressure of an elite professional sporting environment would be extremely draining.

Then you compare that to someone like Mick Malthouse who intentionally kept a professional distance between himself and the players, or someone like Chris Scott who talks about how his role is tactical and it’s not up to him to motivate players.

I think it supports my view that now that we have an established group and culture, it’s time for a more tactically minded coach who is perhaps less personable or less invested in player management to take the next step. Nicks has been great at developing culture and getting buy in from the playing group, but I feel some of that responsibility can now be handed to player leadership and assistants to allow room for a coach with more tactical expertise.

Asking one guy to take on all of that responsibility is likely unsustainable and there are probably very few people out there capable of taking on that load.

 

[Crow54]

Snide social media remarks, late night calls, relentless workload: The emotional toll of being an AFL coach.

By Brenton Sanderson

Early in my tenure as senior coach at Adelaide in 2012, players would move freely about my office, sprawl across the couches, throw darts at the dartboard I had set up, and chat to me about what was happening in their day. About footy, about life, about whatever was floating through their minds.

I loved the opportunity to debrief with them about the game at the weekend, and relished the chance to get to know them more as people. The players trusted the space they were in and they trusted me.

But as my time at the Crows went on and the losses piled up – as I searched, foolishly, alone for answers to solve the problems the team was facing – the office visits became less frequent and the buoyant nature of those conversations became increasingly strained.

Before long, players had to knock to enter my office. I had closed the door on them, figuratively and literally, without even realising. Reflecting on that now, 12 years after I was relieved as the coach of the Crows, it was the clearest possible sign that the pressure and expectation that comes with the role of being a senior coach was getting the better of me.

I was shutting the people out who were trying to help me. I just couldn’t see it at the time. That’s the reality of emotional instability in coaching. It doesn’t announce itself. It sneaks up on you. You become agitated with people. Your tolerance dissipates, and your patience fades.

You become less enjoyable to be around and the positivity that you once exuded becomes something you have to generate consciously.

When I got sacked by Adelaide, my sister Michelle said to me that she was relieved. Not that I’d lost my job, but that I’d been forced to hit the brakes on how I was approaching my job and my life. “I could tell you were getting really sick,” she said. She didn’t mean physically. She meant emotionally. And she was right.

Full article:

Snide social media remarks, late night calls, relentless workload: The emotional toll of being an AFL coach

This former AFL coach says the job made him agitated and intolerant. He fears a serious incident if they are not given more support.

www.theage.com.au

I remember Graham Cornes telling a story about Neil Kerley, when he was working with Sanderson. Kerls walked into Sanderson's office, and Sando immediately covered up what was in front of him on his desk. I think that action spoke volumes to Kerls, and he probably lost any trust he may have had towards Sando.

 

[kirky]

Does it look like our more recent National Drafts since 2021 are becoming busts after our first round picks?

2022 - Billy Dowling, Hugh Bond
2023 - Charlie Edwards, Oscar Ryan
2024 - Tyler Welsh

Personally think Edwards has shown something in his two games.

 

[Daniel6]

Does it look like our more recent National Drafts since 2021 are becoming busts after our first round picks?

2022 - Billy Dowling, Hugh Bond
2023 - Charlie Edwards, Oscar Ryan
2024 - Tyler Welsh

Personally think Edwards has shown something in his two games.

In Billy Dowlings 10 AFL games, he’s averaged close to 17 possessions per game.

He showed he can be an accumulator and would only get better with more experience. Something he has done in his SANFL games.

 

[Mutineer]

Does it look like our more recent National Drafts since 2021 are becoming busts after our first round picks?

2022 - Billy Dowling, Hugh Bond
2023 - Charlie Edwards, Oscar Ryan
2024 - Tyler Welsh

Personally think Edwards has shown something in his two games.

Charlie Edwards and Oscar Ryan were later 1st round picks actually and similarly they have been either given meagre AFL opportunities or none at all even when playing good SANFL games and the AFL incumbents in their roles were stinking it up.

Hugh Bond given where he was drafted is hardly a bust being on the periphery of our best 23.

And Billy Dowling has been absolutely shat on by the selectors, who knows if he is AFL quality given his lack of opportunities even when carving up the SANFL and the AFL incumbents stinking it up.

 

[CrowinNT]

Nicks hasn’t got a solid door up, but a fly screen.
It’s why he’s lost his mojo.

You are not my best funny friend on BF anymore
Do you realise how many good coffees have been spat out
Or my Sav Blanc knocked over reading your posts
Back to the SANFL for you xx

 

[Golumless]

Does it look like our more recent National Drafts since 2021 are becoming busts after our first round picks?

2022 - Billy Dowling, Hugh Bond
2023 - Charlie Edwards, Oscar Ryan
2024 - Tyler Welsh

Personally think Edwards has shown something in his two games.

Probably too early, but you don't need a lot of hits from this part of the draft. Just some.

Dowling and Ryan are definitely busts, with Dowling seemingly 15 years too late to really make a career, being a slow-ish inside/outside midfielder. Ryan had a pretty soft situation and just fell apart as a prospect which says we mangled that pick (albiet is not uncommon for a pick 20-30 lad). Welsh is, well, he's probably finished. Being delisted one year in is really dire.

Edwards is a come back next year. I'd be surprised if he doesn't get 5-6 years here to see what comes from him. In saying that, it's always really worrying when a club isn't eager to find a role for someone in a sport that favours generalists. Especially as he seems a lot more ready, then say, Brayden Cook at a similar career point, so it may not be a preparation issue at play. Bond is a bit redundant whilst Max is the go-to small defender, but that just takes one change and Hugh could easily find himself with a 100-150 game career.

 

[1970crow]

Charlie Edwards and Oscar Ryan were later 1st round picks actually and similarly they have been either given meagre AFL opportunities or none at all even when playing good SANFL games and the AFL incumbents in their roles were stinking it up.

Hugh Bond given where he was drafted is hardly a bust being on the periphery of our best 23.

And Billy Dowling has been absolutely shat on by the selectors, who knows if he is AFL quality given his lack of opportunities even when carving up the SANFL and the AFL incumbents stinking it up.

‘First round’ is meaningless as it changes year to year. Both were around late 20s, it’s hit and miss by then. If they’re smart, they all get out, their careers can only die slowly here. They’re never moving ahead of incumbents and there’s no retirements on the cards until end of next year. Plus Draper will surely push ahead of them and we’re still chasing mids at the draft/FA. They need to go ASAP if they want a chance at a decent career.

 

[1970crow]

I remember Graham Cornes telling a story about Neil Kerley, when he was working with Sanderson. Kerls walked into Sanderson's office, and Sando immediately covered up what was in front of him on his desk. I think that action spoke volumes to Kerls, and he probably lost any trust he may have had towards Sando.

‘We’ll get you some help mate, it’s a different game these days with the m
Ys and Zs, leave it with us’. Sounds like us to give Knuckles a call.

 

[GreyCrow]

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[FR0GGY]

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Love him, but the hair, what are you doing Andrew?

 

[Jetwa5h]

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A couple of forward handpasses there ....... was Macca ahead of his time?

 

[MarcusP2]

Imagine lining up for a casual game of Div 12 ressies and finding out you'll be playing on the absolutely jacked Bunji.

 

[Coopers]

Imagine lining up for a casual game of Div 12 ressies and finding out you'll be playing on the absolutely jacked Bunji.

He's so careful with the handballs to his teammates, lols.

Body language is "ok you, the ball is going right here, right out in front of you... get ready... aaaaand there. Good catch".

 

[FR0GGY]

Our logo on Fox has been left in the sun for 10 years, the red is a light pink colour.

 

[Soggy2112]

He's so careful with the handballs to his teammates, lols.

Body language is "ok you, the ball is going right here, right out in front of you... get ready... aaaaand there. Good catch".

He finds the right mix in legends games of not looking like he’s trying too hard, but also reminding everyone that if he was trying, they’d be in trouble.

Still looks like he could walk in to most local A grade games and dominate.

 

[cleanhands]

If you want a good laugh, go read the Port Power general AFL thread part 32.

Hilarious stuff.

Why? Couldn’t be bothered

 

[119others]

Snide social media remarks, late night calls, relentless workload: The emotional toll of being an AFL coach.

By Brenton Sanderson

Early in my tenure as senior coach at Adelaide in 2012, players would move freely about my office, sprawl across the couches, throw darts at the dartboard I had set up, and chat to me about what was happening in their day. About footy, about life, about whatever was floating through their minds.

I loved the opportunity to debrief with them about the game at the weekend, and relished the chance to get to know them more as people. The players trusted the space they were in and they trusted me.

But as my time at the Crows went on and the losses piled up – as I searched, foolishly, alone for answers to solve the problems the team was facing – the office visits became less frequent and the buoyant nature of those conversations became increasingly strained.

Before long, players had to knock to enter my office. I had closed the door on them, figuratively and literally, without even realising. Reflecting on that now, 12 years after I was relieved as the coach of the Crows, it was the clearest possible sign that the pressure and expectation that comes with the role of being a senior coach was getting the better of me.

I was shutting the people out who were trying to help me. I just couldn’t see it at the time. That’s the reality of emotional instability in coaching. It doesn’t announce itself. It sneaks up on you. You become agitated with people. Your tolerance dissipates, and your patience fades.

You become less enjoyable to be around and the positivity that you once exuded becomes something you have to generate consciously.

When I got sacked by Adelaide, my sister Michelle said to me that she was relieved. Not that I’d lost my job, but that I’d been forced to hit the brakes on how I was approaching my job and my life. “I could tell you were getting really sick,” she said. She didn’t mean physically. She meant emotionally. And she was right.

Full article:

Snide social media remarks, late night calls, relentless workload: The emotional toll of being an AFL coach

This former AFL coach says the job made him agitated and intolerant. He fears a serious incident if they are not given more support.

www.theage.com.au

My view on Matty N is that despite a very difficult few years he has remained extremely calm and consistent throughout - at least from an external perspective. He seems surprisingly unfazed and light-hearted when being interviewed before the games and enjoys a laugh. Doesnt appear to have the hyper intensity of say a Pyke, the moodiness of the Scott brothers or volatility of Bevo.

From my view I can see why he has built an excellent culture and his reln with the players seems as strong as ever (winning helps!)