Crows Draft Targets

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Thunderstruck
A key backman is needed, but weve already got Parker so why bother with Mundy?

A ruckman should def be our first priority, I still think Parry is the one. Proven at the next best level to AFL, blokes like Whitehead id hardly heard of until the draft, he wont really go anywhere. I somehow like Krueger tho, saw him play senior SANFl and theres some about him. Still rather Parry tho

If we decide to take out ruckman from afar then hopefully Brent Hall is still around. If Capel thinks Bradley will be around at #14 I dunno how he got his job. Spaanderman lacks a lot fo skill apparently but his size would be very useful ay 17 he is 199cm 100kg, normally if u are 199cm and 17 ud weigh about 85-90, as seems to be the case with ur average younf ruckman.

I like Parry BUT at 194 cm he is not tall enough to be a ruckman at AFL level. He would be a bloody dwarft against someone like Ottens. We need someone 198 cm +.

The reason you haven't heard about Whitehead its because he is an under age ruckman. He is only 17. Unless you follow the underage comp you wouldn't have heard about him.

 

[maccas_no1]

Hey dont interrupt Noddy and I's convo about Whyalla

Now what were you saying Noddy??????

 

[Thunderstruck]

Good point stiffy, Im not the biggest follower of the Under 17's mainly only in the national comps, ie under 16's under 18's. Tho u might think that a player is good enough to play a few reserves games if he wa a good under 17's player.

Anyways, back to Parry, interesting debate going on here. Agreed 194cm aint the tallest bloke around and for a ruckman its deemed short even AT SANFL level seeing that blokes like Lindsay (198cm) Marsh (202cm) Scoullar (203cm) and Griffith (206cm) are all way taller than him. Tallest doesnt always mean the best tho. Bradley at 192cm had a win against every ruckman as did Parry who ended up as SANFL ruckman of the year, for a bloke who personally said at the start of the year "the Ruckman over here in Adelaide are a lot bigger and stronger than tyhe ruckman in perth" I reckon he has done extremely well to come out clearly on top in all aspect not just hitouts and he is only 19. One thing that u need to posses if you are a shorter ruckman is a good leap and agression. He has both, ive never seen such a ferrel at the ruck contests, he would no be frightened by Dean Brogan or Matthew Primus or Peter Everitt. He has proven himself already at a level others have not, even tho they are younger its only by about 2 years so to be honest I think he is well ahead of guys like Dubienecki and Whitehead.

Mind u if i had to pick between Brent Hall and Craig Parry id pick Hall, he has also proven himself at WAFL level and is younger and taller.


Still prolly pick parry later on as insurance, you can never have enough big men.

Hentschel is hopeless really.

Rutten needs one more year to prove himself, but id have him at much loftier levels than Hent

 

[Stiffy_18]

Whitehead and Dubieniecki have played quite a few reserves games for Eagles and Tigers respectively.

Hall never played senior WAFL. He only played colts

Yes if you are "short" ruckman you would need a very good leap and a bit of a mongrel and granted Parry does have that BUT my question mark is not on his ability ot win centre bounces its the stoppages around the ground that would have me worried if Parry was our ruckman. He is just not tall enought to go up against a gorilla like Everitt who is much taller and as strong if not stronger than Parry.

Imagine Parry coming up against 211cm Sandilands in ruck duels. That would be murder.

In my books anything under 197 cm is too short for an AFL ruckman and if a ruckman in under 200 cm they better have a bloody good leap especially now that AFL are driven to have athletic ruckman.

I reckon Port will pick up Parry wit pick 30 and turn him into a key defender.

 

[Portia]

My reckoning is 34 if you guys don't get him at 31.

 

[GoalsFrom50Out]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Imagine Parry coming up against 211cm Sandilands in ruck duels. That would be murder.

We don't play against Sandilands every week, how many ruckman in the league are that height?

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Whitehead and Dubieniecki have played quite a few reserves games for Eagles and Tigers respectively.

Hall never played senior WAFL. He only played colts

Yes if you are "short" ruckman you would need a very good leap and a bit of a mongrel and granted Parry does have that BUT my question mark is not on his ability ot win centre bounces its the stoppages around the ground that would have me worried if Parry was our ruckman. He is just not tall enought to go up against a gorilla like Everitt who is much taller and as strong if not stronger than Parry.

Imagine Parry coming up against 211cm Sandilands in ruck duels. That would be murder.

In my books anything under 197 cm is too short for an AFL ruckman and if a ruckman in under 200 cm they better have a bloody good leap especially now that AFL are driven to have athletic ruckman.

I reckon Port will pick up Parry wit pick 30 and turn him into a key defender.

You seriously underrate Parry Stiffman. Really really underrate him. He had more hitouts than any other ruckmen in the league this year and that is a fact. He is shortish by ruck standards in the SANFL as well.

Sure Sandilands is a lot taller than Parry but Parry would be twice as strong as Sandilands and would murder him around the ground. He would definately hold his own against the likes of Everitt and Brogan. Have you seen Parry? Hes a tank. He isnt some skinny little ruckmen. Hes a bloody big lad for a 19 year old.

Tim Nicholas - 198
Carlo Calabrese - 199
Rhino - 193
Dabrowski - 198
Marsh - 202
Feast 196
Conway 197
Bishop 194
Griffiths 207
Smith 201
Krueger 197
Bradley 193
Scoullar 203
Lindsay 198

You know the only guy Parry had trouble with out of that lot of SANFL players he rucked against this year? Rhino - the shortest of the lot and that was because Parry couldnt combat Rhino jumping into him all the time.

I hope to all hell that Port pick him up but life will be a bitch as usual and im sure the Crows will get him with the pick before ours.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by GoalsFrom50Out
We don't play against Sandilands every week, how many ruckman in the league are that height?

True BUT here are the players I think could cause him trouble if he came up against them as a ruckman in AFL:

Keating
French
Sandilands
Mott
King
Everitt
Primus
Brogan
Lade
Ottens
Stafford
Ball
and even Peter Street would cause him trouble with his height.

If he someone selects him it will not be as a ruckman it will be as a KPP. He will not make it at AFL as a ruckman but he has the potential to be a bloody good defender. If we want a FB he is the bloke no question about it.

 

[Portia]

It'd be bloody funny if Sydney gazumped both of us and picked him at #29.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Macca19
You seriously underrate Parry Stiffman. Really really underrate him. He had more hitouts than any other ruckmen in the league this year and that is a fact. He is shortish by ruck standards in the SANFL as well.

Sure Sandilands is a lot taller than Parry but Parry would be twice as strong as Sandilands and would murder him around the ground. He would definately hold his own against the likes of Everitt and Brogan. Have you seen Parry? Hes a tank. He isnt some skinny little ruckmen. Hes a bloody big lad for a 19 year old.

Tim Nicholas - 198
Carlo Calabrese - 199
Rhino - 193
Dabrowski - 198
Marsh - 202
Feast 196
Conway 197
Bishop 194
Griffiths 207
Smith 201
Krueger 197
Bradley 193
Scoullar 203
Lindsay 198

You know the only guy Parry had trouble with out of that lot of SANFL players he rucked against this year? Rhino - the shortest of the lot and that was because Parry couldnt combat Rhino jumping into him all the time.

I hope to all hell that Port pick him up but life will be a bitch as usual and im sure the Crows will get him with the pick before ours.

I do not underrate him at all I just don't think he is an AFL ruckman but would make a bloody good defender.

All the blokes you mentioned are not up to AFL standard and majority of them are weaker than Parry but in the AFL he would be up against players who are possibly stronger than he is and thats where he loses his advantage.

Do you think he would be an AFL ruckman when he gets drafted??????

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Porthos
It'd be bloody funny if Sydney gazumped both of us and picked him at #29.

and the thing is its not as far fetched as it would appear.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Do you think he would be an AFL ruckman when he gets drafted??????

Depends who drafts him.

Port - No.

Adelaide - Yes.

Anyone else - dunno.

Hes a good ruckmen. He may be 2cm shorter than what would be prime height for him but id say he would make a good backup ruckmen that would more than hold his own against quite a few of the rucks in the AFL.

If Port get him id like us to play him as a CHB which is his more natural position and where he played (along with FF) before he came to Magpies.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Macca19
Depends who drafts him.

Port - No.

Adelaide - Yes.

Anyone else - dunno.

Hes a good ruckmen. He may be 2cm shorter than what would be prime height for him but id say he would make a good backup ruckmen that would more than hold his own against quite a few of the rucks in the AFL.

If Port get him id like us to play him as a CHB which is his more natural position and where he played (along with FF) before he came to Magpies.

So would you be comfortable if you for arguments sake had Parry as your ruckman against soeone like Primus????? I wouldn't.

BTW, how heavy is he??????

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Macca19
If Port get him id like us to play him as a CHB which is his more natural position and where he played (along with FF) before he came to Magpies.

Parry's from WA, right? Why wouldn't West Coast or Freo go after him? The Dockers need a full forward, and the Eagles could certainly do with a decent KPP.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
So would you be comfortable if you for arguments sake had Parry as your ruckman against soeone like Primus????? I wouldn't.

BTW, how heavy is he??????

Primus is the best ruckmen in the league when fit and also the strongest. Noone really can match up with Primus when fit. However, I'd back Parry in against quite a few ruckmen in the league. Id say he could match it with Biglands with leap and strength.

He was 94kg at the start of the year.

Dave: They very well could go for him, but they saw him first hand last year and passed so Im not sure why they would go for him this year. Who knows...he may not even be drafted at all...which wouldnt bother me, means the Magpies get to keep him.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Macca19
Primus is the best ruckmen in the league when fit and also the strongest. Noone really can match up with Primus when fit. However, I'd back Parry in against quite a few ruckmen in the league. Id say he could match it with Biglands with leap and strength.

He was 94kg at the start of the year.

Dave: They very well could go for him, but they saw him first hand last year and passed so Im not sure why they would go for him this year. Who knows...he may not even be drafted at all...which wouldnt bother me, means the Magpies get to keep him.

I have said all along that he would make a bloody good key defender at AFL level but I am not as confident backing him up against some of the best ruckman in the comp.

 

[Jerome]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I have said all along that he would make a bloody good key defender at AFL level but I am not as confident backing him up against some of the best ruckman in the comp.

We could do with a bloody good key defender. If he doesnt make it as an AFL ruckman, give him a go in defence.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Jerome
We could do with a bloody good key defender. If he doesnt make it as an AFL ruckman, give him a go in defence.

Jerome, I have said all along that I would like him at the Crows as a defender and I would draft him for that purpose. I wouldn't draft him as a ruckman

If available with pick 31, definetly worth taking as a KEY DEFENDER

 

[Thunderstruck]

I wouldn't want Parry as a key defender! Hell no its not natural to him at all, rucking is, he is used to rucking against bigger blokes and towelling them up, Lindsay is a huge ruckman at SANFL level 198cm 102kg and yet he whopped him twice.

He still may grow more as well, will def put on weight, seeing that his weight number is 100 less than his height number for a 19yo...fair dinkum. most 19yo at that age would eb in the mid 80's He could prolyl bulk up to 98-100kg.

He would WHIP French and Ball... espec French he is useless

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Thunderstruck
I wouldn't want Parry as a key defender! Hell no its not natural to him at all, rucking is

You serious??????

Before this season he was CHB and was recruited as a key defender who could pinch hit in ruck. He only became full time ruckman this year.

Over his career he has played mostly as a key defender and that is his natural position. Its just a bonus that he is a goos undersized ruckman.

 

[spindoctor]

Actually, bugger this.

If you guys say he has no chance at AFL level because he is 194cm, you don't know sh|t about football. Jeff White, before his bad run of injuries, was one of the most dominant ruckmen in the AFL, and he is the same height.

That fella who played for Freo before the career-ending injury, Clem Michael, was only 192cm and he did very well.

So don't write him off, his height means nothing.

 

[boat]

Before this season he was CHB and was recruited as a key defender who could pinch hit in ruck. He only became full time ruckman this year.

Are you talking about Craig Parry?

He never played in the backline. He was a forward who used to ruck late in the game and leap all over a tiring opposition ruckman. In fact in one of his last league games for Subiaco he kicked 6 straight from full forward.

 

[Thunderstruck]

Now a forward sounds more like it. U dont get a player that can play CHB just as well as he can play in the ruck! ud expect a forward pocket or something maybe CHF to be better at that.

BTW, rucking is natural too him just watch him play.He is 19 ffs give the man a go.