News Crows eye Walker, Jacobs

[footy4ever]

Probably, but is Talia worth more to Adelaide than a Jacobs would be for your 2011 aspirations?

You may have the car but you still need the key to start it.
Is Jacobs the key? I don't know, but I'll bet he'll add more to your team than Talia or a pick 14 will in the short to medium term.

That's surely the case.

There's a lot of love in this thread for Talia...how good is he? Does he have any sort of rep in Vic? He's only 18 I guess so if he's already caught the eye I s'pose there's got to be something there.

 

[AlphaBlue]

Like I said, both Mumford and Hudson were uncontracted players that went for 2nd round picks, this is the currency and this will be the deal

forget pick 14 it will not be offered and I do no that for sure

so you can beat your chest all you like and your club officials can do the usual tough talk through the media to save face however you can book mark this right now, the deal will be our 2nd round pick and maybe a fringe player as a sweetner.......

i wish i could see your face when you guys hand over pick 14

 

[Salaryman]

Lol at the sloane...sounding a bit anxious. You won't be getting your cake and eating it too

 

[Sekaj]

i wish i could see your face when you guys hand over pick 14

And your face when we don't? Why are Carlton supporters so damn sure we are going to give away our first round pick? On what exactly is their confidence based on?

 

[HARKER]

That's surely the case.

There's a lot of love in this thread for Talia...how good is he? Does he have any sort of rep in Vic? He's only 18 I guess so if he's already caught the eye I s'pose there's got to be something there.

I'll openly embarrass myself here and state that I selected Adelaide for Premiers in 2010.

You guys have some solid cattle through the ranks and even after losing the old boys this year, there is still potential to surprise in 2011 & 2012.
A great coach and the right blend of players may well get you further than you think.
Does a solid tap ruckman fit into that mix moreso than players battling for the same spot have any currency?
We'll see soon enough.

 

[Salaryman]

And your face when we don't? Why are Carlton supporters so damn sure we are going to give away our first round pick? On what exactly is their confidence based on?

To be honest to come out and state the contract terms and promise sam #1 ruck I wouldn't be surprised if it was already done. The rest is huff and puff for the adelaide fans. By the reactions in this thread it sounds like it's working. Lol

 

[HARKER]

And your face when we don't? Why are Carlton supporters so damn sure we are going to give away our first round pick? On what exactly is their confidence based on?

Gut feeling?
A lot of guts feeling

 

[wavefall21]

We won't be getting pick 14 for Jacobs, nor will we be getting a deal involving us getting James Sellar, a spud of the highest order, why would we accept a guy who was a first rounder in 06 and has played 16 games in 4 yrs? A second rounder and a fringe player seems most likely, but Sellar isn't even a fringe player, he's a dud, I can't think of any fringe players Adel have that we'd be interested or they would be willing to give up

 

[footy4ever]

I'll openly embarrass myself here and state that I selected Adelaide for Premiers in 2010.

You guys have some solid cattle through the ranks and even after losing the old boys this year, there is still potential to surprise in 2011 & 2012.
A great coach and the right blend of players may well get you further than you think.
Does a solid tap ruckman fit into that mix moreso than players battling for the same spot have any currency?
We'll see soon enough.

I think so, because it is too difficult to gauge and bank on the potential of the untried ( in the case of Talia, Mckernan) And while I love the way James Sellar goes about it, Carlton supporters are right to question the quality. He is a reasonable SANFL player at the moment, still young at 21, but could go either way development-wise.

 

[Kickin_Goals]

Then why does Adelaide view Jacobs as a player who is worth a reported three year and a one million dollar contract?

Wouldn't you just keep Moran and Maric if you only needed a "soup can" to ruck?

If the Crows don't need Jacobs and they have so many quality talls as you said, I guess you would be happy to play Tippett, Moran and Maric in the ruck. The Crows could develop Sellar, Craig and McKernan as tall forwards because you have so many great big men coming through.

That's what every Adelaide supporters keeps telling us.

I'm guessing Craig and Adelaide won't go down that path.

Matthew Clarke said that you want and need Jacobs.

And again and again you are told that adelaide have cash in their cap to piss up against the wall if they really feel like it.
There is really nothing else to spend it on at the club atm as the majority of the group could go either way in regard to potential, in a season where they have performed poorly been injury prone the players were not in any position to re-sign for massive slices of the pie.
The contract isn't exactly massive when you look at it for what it is in a 3 year total salary, as adelaide don't currently have anyone you would find consistantly placed in random neutral supporters top 50 players list. Maybe Johncock would be in there now and then, maybe some people like the potential of a few players but a serious unbiased non-hypotheotical lists would only likely yield Scott Thompson.
And none of these players are getting anything comparable to marquee players that most clubs have.

Need is different then want, interested in a specific player doesn't mean need.
Saying we need a good ruckman doesn't mean we need this specific ruckman it is simply a hope one of these prospective ruckman of the several adelaide have on the list can develop into a top ruck.
Hanging your hat on the idea of 17 games developing up and down games making Jacobs a proven top ruck is ridiculous to any sensible person.

Hudson a quite quality ruckmen, adelaide were unwilling to match offers made for him and he was certainly more proven and rated then Maric, Moran and Jacobs.
If adelaides greatest need was a ruck the offer would of been matched surely.

Without a proven squad to surround this tap player with and despite all the biased claims here, this not proven for lack of games ruck, amounts to just an immense amount of uncertainty.
Uncertainty drawn from a high amount of expectation then laid at the feet unconvincing yet now quite seasoned players currently making up adelaides engine room.
If adelaides engine stalls out they don't win the flag race, which is what it's about not being 5th-8th forever and a day.

The Bock pick would perhaps be pick 18-19 in a few years
I wouldn't really want to trade it for Jacobs myself at this time it would seem like a mismanaged list gamble with many developing players perhaps not as likely as Jacobs but still already in the side. If jacobs went for this and in 3 years is no longer a required player for many possible reasons and adelaides mid-field hasn't come along it's as well as bad a loss as pick 14 this year.

The actual needs of adelaide are that which they have lost and Griffin leaves no void in his wake at all, he was in the side due to countless injuries and scenarios in his favour yet looking at the rated players for trade you find Griffin just two rungs below Jacobs when listed by neutral supporters.
It doesn't say much but neither does a lot of things.

 

[Silvagnis]

What is he/she ranting about?

I didn't get anywhere after arguing with some of your supporters over Gibbs and Browne's charge against Porplyzia.

The more things change, the more things stay the same...

Muppets living in a fishbowl.

 

[SurfingTheVoid]

Pick 14 it ain't.

Funny.

 

[Jimthegreat]

And again and again you are told that adelaide have cash in their cap to piss up against the wall if they really feel like it.

Good business's don't just p1ss money up the wall no matter how much they have.

Dopey supporters might but not clubs. Not good business.

So the fact you have put up a million for 3 years means you want him. You pay or you don't get. Irrelevant what you think or want.

 

[GoBlues!]

the bottom line it will come down to whether the Blues accept our 2nd round pick and a fringe player like Sellar

we wont be offering pick 14

so forget the over odds bullshit, you are in no position to demand over odds and we are not Collingwood and pay pick 14 for a ruckman, the Mumford 2nd round pick price of 2009 will be the deal with a fringe player as sweetner.

While you're at it you can also forget under the odds bullshit as well.

"Nobody should like players going to the pre-season [draft]," Rendell told afl.com.au.

"You should be trying to get deals done with clubs - that's how the trade system works.

"It's not great if clubs are trying to push players to pre-season and we'd like to deal on Jacobs

If Adelaide offer the crap you're suggesting, then effectively they are pushing Jacobs into the PSD, not Carlton, which is contrary to what Rendell said.

Its really up to Adelaide and how fair dinkum they want to be.

 

[Kickin_Goals]

What is he/she ranting about?

I didn't get anywhere after arguing with some of your supporters over Gibbs and Browne's charge against Porplyzia.

The more things change, the more things stay the same...

Muppets living in a fishbowl.

So you fail at arguing, not that what you said was much of an argument but a inquiry.
And have a ridiculously low attention span when replied to.

You've summed carlton supporters general behaviour quite well, completely sheltered from reality of other clubs requirements.
Taking lil bitch like stances in opt out, taking the ball and going home attitudes, with idiotic statements like i'd rather have nothing then a 3rd round pick and sellers or 2nd round and so on.
I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT like attitudes for pick 14.

Jacobs or walker not going to adelaide wouldn't bother most one bit.
Adelaide have plenty of players that can play the ruck position competitively enough and walker is not exactly a world beater either.

 

[GoBlues!]

I think so, because it is too difficult to gauge and bank on the potential of the untried ( in the case of Talia, Mckernan) And while I love the way James Sellar goes about it, Carlton supporters are right to question the quality. He is a reasonable SANFL player at the moment, still young at 21, but could go either way development-wise.

His last 2 games in the SANFL finals for Glenelg suggest otherwise.

He was pretty ordinary in the first final (rating of 3 by the Advertiser) and even worse in the last final (rating of 1) managing only 4 possessions which was the least of any player in the game.

Face it, you might not get a Buyer for a Sellar.

 

[Kickin_Goals]

Good business's don't just p1ss money up the wall no matter how much they have.

Dopey supporters might but not clubs. Not good business.

So the fact you have put up a million for 3 years means you want him. You pay or you don't get. Irrelevant what you think or want.

What the hell man, is turn of phrase something completely lost on you lot as well...
Done here
Parrots army are quite overwhelming.

 

[Tanks_Alot]

Like I said, both Mumford and Hudson were uncontracted players that went for 2nd round picks, this is the currency and this will be the deal

forget pick 14 it will not be offered and I do no that for sure

so you can beat your chest all you like and your club officials can do the usual tough talk through the media to save face however you can book mark this right now, the deal will be our 2nd round pick and maybe a fringe player as a sweetner.......

no means NO!

Look, if you think we're gonna take your 2nd rounder and Sellar or some other ******** you're seriously mistaken.

Hudson AND Mumford were not traded for picks in a compensated draft. Pick 14 is roughly equivalent to a mid 20's pick from previous years (for the one thousandth time ).

You WILL give up pick 14 because you want him. That's why you're trying to poach him. If we don't get pick 14, we can start negotiating with other clubs such as GC. OR we will offer him a new contract and he can sign with us if the deal for pick 14 isn't done. I know that Sammy isn't going to want to go to Richmond and ruin his career.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

no means NO!

Look, if you think we're gonna take your 2nd rounder and Sellar or some other ******** you're seriously mistaken.

Hudson AND Mumford were not traded for picks in a compensated draft. Pick 14 is roughly equivalent to a mid 20's pick from previous years (for the one thousandth time ).

You WILL give up pick 14 because you want him. That's why you're trying to poach him. If we don't get pick 14, we can start negotiating with other clubs such as GC. OR we will offer him a new contract and he can sign with us if the deal for pick 14 isn't done. I know that Sammy isn't going to want to go to Richmond and ruin his career.

You can beat the Pick 14 drum all you like however there is NO WAY IN HELL the club will be trading its first round pick

mate, I am very confident that Jacobs will be a crow, a trade will be done and that it wont involve pick 14, and it will be done very early in trade week

very confident

 

[Tanks_Alot]

You can beat the Pick 14 drum all you like however there is NO WAY IN HELL the club will be trading its first round pick

mate, I am very confident that Jacobs will be a crow, a trade will be done and that it wont involve pick 14, and it will be done very early in trade week

very confident

So you think you're gonna offer up Talia or Davis? OK I'd be happy with either of those instead of pick 14.

 

[Silvagnis]

What the hell man, is turn of phrase something completely lost on you lot as well...
Done here
Parrots army are quite overwhelming.

If you don't like being parrot feed, head back to your fishbowl where Dangerfield is viewed as the AFL's next big superstar.

This isn't even your board.

 

[Malifice]

Crows fans saying "dreaming if you think you're getting pick 14"
Blues fans saying "no pick 14, no Jacobs"

this is the entire thread so far... it just repeats itself...

Yep.

Happens every year.

Virtual negotiations, by people online (and with nothing to actually trade).

Fascinating aspect of human psyche really.

 

[Silvagnis]

So you fail at arguing, not that what you said was much of an argument but a inquiry.
And have a ridiculously low attention span when replied to.

You've summed carlton supporters general behaviour quite well, completely sheltered from reality of other clubs requirements.
Taking lil bitch like stances in opt out, taking the ball and going home attitudes, with idiotic statements like i'd rather have nothing then a 3rd round pick and sellers or 2nd round and so on.
I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT like attitudes for pick 14.

Jacobs or walker not going to adelaide wouldn't bother most one bit.
Adelaide have plenty of players that can play the ruck position competitively enough and walker is not exactly a world beater either.

w***er

 

[Stiffy_18]

no means NO!

Look, if you think we're gonna take your 2nd rounder and Sellar or some other ******** you're seriously mistaken.

Hudson AND Mumford were not traded for picks in a compensated draft. Pick 14 is roughly equivalent to a mid 20's pick from previous years (for the one thousandth time ).

You WILL give up pick 14 because you want him. That's why you're trying to poach him. If we don't get pick 14, we can start negotiating with other clubs such as GC. OR we will offer him a new contract and he can sign with us if the deal for pick 14 isn't done. I know that Sammy isn't going to want to go to Richmond and ruin his career.

Oh please!!!!

Lets get one thing straight, Jacobs is NOT dumb as you say and he certainly has options. You are not willing to offer him the sort of contract that Adelaide has offered him. He wants to go to Adelaide, do you honestly thing he will walk away from 3 year $1million deal and sign for less with Carlton because he doesn't want to go to Richmond.

I can guarantee you that he would rather have his $1million over 3 years and play anywhere than sign for less at the club where he will clearly be starved of opportunities.

Luckily, both clubs are reasonable, you guys have come out with some chest puffing demanding pick 14 and Ratten even made a tool of himself by saying Jacobs would go to Gold Coast if the deal cannot be done, without realizing that GC do NOT have a pick in the PSD!

Secondly, if things went down the path that you are suggesting (which I am 100% confident they won't) you CANNOT make deals with other clubs without Jacobs' consent. Even if he was contracted he would have some sort of say in the trade, he certainly could refuse to go to club X if he didn't want to go there or they didn't match Adelaide's offer.

You make it sound like Jacobs has no say in the matter. He does! He is out of contract and Carlton cannot make a deal with another club if he doesn't want to go there.

If negotiations break down, why would Jacobs turn his back on a 3 year $1million deal?! Out of loyalty to Carlton?! Give ma break!

For him at this early stage of his development its a deal too good to refuse. If he turned his back on that deal it would be as unbelievable as if Ablett said no to GC and stayed at Geelong for half of what GC are paying him.

A 3 year $1million deal is a HUGE offer for a player that only has 17 games to his name. Its exactly the same as what Sydney did with Mumford. They made sure that they gave him a deal that no other club would consider matching (interestingly, the same 3 year $1million deal that Jacobs has reportedly been offered by the Crows) and this significantly increased their chances of getting him at the trade table. Geelong were going to lose him for nothing, or they needed to get something for him.

Its pretty much exactly the same scenario with Jacobs!

As I said, I am confident the deal will get done and I am confident it won't be for pick 14 unless pick 18 is involved in the deal or Walker with of course exchange of picks and/or addition of other picks.

 

[parrot]

Oh please!!!!

Lets get one thing straight, Jacobs is NOT dumb as you say and he certainly has options. You are not willing to offer him the sort of contract that Adelaide has offered him. He wants to go to Adelaide, do you honestly thing he will walk away from 3 year $1million deal and sign for less with Carlton because he doesn't want to go to Richmond.

I can guarantee you that he would rather have his $1million over 3 years and play anywhere than sign for less at the club where he will clearly be starved of opportunities.
....

What about StKilda? Might be a good 2nd choice, and he'll have plenty of opportunity with their 2 older rucks retiring.