Crows new coach

[jmorg1]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I know we have spoken to Wallace

How do you know?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by jmorg1
How do you know?

I know guys who know guys

 

[Stiffy_18]

I bet a lot of you didn't think of this bloke as a candidate

from the age:

Rendell denies approach to coach Crows
By Mark Fuller
July 2, 2004

Adelaide is believed to be interested in talking to St Kilda assistant coach Matt Rendell about its vacant coaching position, but the former Fitzroy ruckman yesterday said he had spoken to no one about a senior coaching role.

Rendell, highly regarded as a progressive thinker and a key driver behind St Kilda's emergence, said he had given little thought to the possibility of filling a senior coaching role next season.

"I really haven't thought about it that much," he said. "I'm just so busy with St Kilda stuff at the moment.

"I suppose whatever happens happens, that's about all I can say about it."

New Adelaide coach Neil Craig has quickly set himself apart from his predecessor Gary Ayres by ordering that media and other on-lookers be kept out of tomorrow's AAMI Stadium training session.

I think he was an assistant coach with Port a couple of years back.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I bet a lot of you didn't think of this bloke as a candidate

from the age:
I think he was an assistant coach with Port a couple of years back.

Rendell is supposed to be very good strategically and has estblished the St Kilda gameplan.
Very much in the Shaw mould, good assistant by NEVER a senior coach.

Amazing how his name ONLY comes up when St Kilda wins a few games - name hasn't been mentioned last couple of years when losing games

 

[Fergus]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I know we have spoken to Wallace

I also get the feeling that we are not all that keen on Eade which suits me perfectly

Stiffy - on 5AA this morning they said that the Crows were speaking with Terry Wallace today as he is in town for a Glenelg function. Is this a follow-up talk to the one you believe has already happened?

 

[Riddler]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I know we have spoken to Wallace

I also get the feeling that we are not all that keen on Eade which suits me perfectly

Stiffy you're beginning to excite me!

This is music to my ears!!!

 

[Still Crowing]

Ch 7 Sunrise made a big mention in their sport round up that we were close to signing Wallace. I think its cobblers, we're just "in talks" at this stage, but a 'talk' is happenning today. If we do make a move on Plough, IMO a final decision/it won't be released to the media until after the season.

 

[Tyson20]

i have a feeling Danny Frawley's decision earlier in the week may have forced the AFC to delve into talks with Plough a little earlier than planned...(which i think is a super idea!)

no doubt touching base with TW wld hve happened a cple of days after Gazza left, but i think talks may get serious from now on! i wldnt b suprised if an announcement was made b4 seasons end but i know the AFC would b reluctant to do so...after all Ferret Head may acuse them of telling porkies again! their main reason of course would b to try not to disrupt the goings on on-field at present....

i do see merit in an early announcement tho in that the players will then "play for their lives" (if their not going to already) as they know that their new coach will b watching and looking at who will stay and who wont!

im just picturing Plough now sitting at home in Melb in his study analysing the Adelaide list...tick for yes, cross for no, question mark for "iffy"...

 

[mymansyd]

Originally posted by Tyson20
i have a feeling Danny Frawley's decision earlier in the week may have forced the AFC to delve into talks with Plough a little earlier than planned...(which i think is a super idea!)

no doubt touching base with TW wld hve happened a cple of days after Gazza left, but i think talks may get serious from now on! i wldnt b suprised if an announcement was made b4 seasons end but i know the AFC would b reluctant to do so...after all Ferret Head may acuse them of telling porkies again! their main reason of course would b to try not to disrupt the goings on on-field at present....

i do see merit in an early announcement tho in that the players will then "play for their lives" (if their not going to already) as they know that their new coach will b watching and looking at who will stay and who wont!

im just picturing Plough now sitting at home in Melb in his study analysing the Adelaide list...tick for yes, cross for no, question mark for "iffy"...

Yep. Pen in one hand and a broom in the other!

 

[Mong]

I can't see us making a formal decision on someone other than Craig until the end of the season. The disappointment for Craig would make it tough for him to finish out the year. It would have been easier for us if Ayres decided to stay until the end like Fawley. Richmond have no such problem with appointing someone now.


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[WaynesWorld19]

Having just left the financially stricken Bulldogs, I wonder if Wallace wants to jump into the same situation again at Richmond. In fact does Eade want to either - both know this is possibly the last opportunity so the right decision is vital.

Cuts loom at Punt Rd, warns Casey

02 July 2004 Herald Sun

RICHMOND president Clinton Casey has outlined the club's financial plight to members, flagging significant cost-cutting to turn around a looming $2 million loss.

In an open letter to the Tigers' 27,000 paid-up supporters, Casey yesterday promised a "low cost, youthful" approach to achieving success on and off the field.

"There will be significant expenditure reductions within certain areas," Casey said.

"Other clubs have demonstrated that such levels of expenditure are possible and sustainable.

"The model adopted of a low cost/youthful approach is producing on and off-field success at other clubs."

The Tigers stated they will track downwards towards paying 97 per cent of the salary cap.

Cuts to football department costs are also on the horizon.

Casey, calling for unity as rebel member Michael Pahoff pushes for a boardroom spill, listed several reasons why the club was heading for a heavy loss this year -- likely to be in the range of $1.8-2 million.

"It is important that the board and administration is open about the financial position of the club and that all members understand the challenges we are facing," Casey said.

"The next six months are critical to the future of the Richmond Football Club.

"We need to and will, appoint a new coach, recruit young talent, strengthen our administration and attract new corporate support."

Casey said the club needed to show a united front to attract the best possible coach to replace Danny Frawley

 

[jmorg1]

I was just browsing through the Richmond board and someone there posted an article by Dwayne Russell. I have no idea which paper its from but the thread is here.

Here is the article:

Thursday, July 1
DWAYNE RUSSELL

TERRY Wallace will not coach Richmond. He doesn't want to. Even if the Tigers wanted him desperately, they would find it hard to change his view of the current list. Richmond's board would not need to offer him a broom, but a massive cheque, a four-year deal and a demolition crew.
Terry Wallace is also unlikely to coach Hawthorn. Current Hawthorn board members and president Ian Dicker have indicated they would rather allow Peter Schwab to coach the final year of his contract next season, than replace him with Wallace, or any of the other available coaching candidates. But if the Hawthorn board itself was to get tipped out by a Don Scott-led revolution, then Schwab would likely get dumped with it, and Wallace would then be on the agenda.

Wallace was interested in the Port Adelaide coaching job, and would have sought an interview had Mark Williams been sacked at the end of this season. Terry has continually acknowledged that the Power list, like the club itself, is solid, but he also stated again this week that extending Mark Williams' contract was the right thing to do, he deserved it.

Kevin Sheedy has agreed to a new three-year deal with Essendon. Neale Daniher is about to be offered a new contract by the Demons. Grant Thomas has had success with the Saints this season, and looks set for a long term at Moorabbin. Peter Rohde may have a shaky hold on the Bulldogs coaching job, but president David Smorgon is more fond of arsenic than his club's former coach.

That leaves the Crows job as the only viable option for Wallace, and he is no guarantee to be handed that gig. Neil Craig, a former SANFL and State-of-Origin star is liked locally and he has one foot in the door.

Wallace faced a similar scenario when he thought he had the Swans job, only to be beaten by Paul Roos who proved too successful and too popular to replace, after taking the reins from Rodney Eade mid-season.

But the Crows are Wallace's best fit. And the fact Adelaide's core strength is its midfield, suits Wallace's game plan ideals perfectly. ``My belief is that you have to be a little bit flexible. If you have key runners and you take over a side and the basis of their structure at that time is that they've got the best midfielders, then obviously you need to structure around a running, carrying game rather than what might be your high marking philosophy, so I think you've got to have that ability to manoeuvre it a bit,'' Wallace said when asked about his game plan ideals for a future coaching assignment earlier this year.

Wallace was not talking specifically about Adelaide, which lacks marking targets, especially with the departure of Wayne Carey and Nigel Smart, when he explained, ``I don't think you can say you want to play a high marking style of game if you haven't got the cattle to play that style of football. What you have got to do is have the basis of how you believe the game ought to be played and the style that you want to try to achieve, but then you have got to bevel the edges according to the personnel you have got''.

The irony of the smoke and mirrors coaching job guessing game, is that the only people who know exactly what Rodney Eade and Terry Wallace hope to do, are Eade and Wallace.

And in a week where their desires are among the biggest talking points of all, both wrote newspaper articles without mentioning the war; Wallace in yesterday's Herald Sun, and Eade in Tuesday's Geelong Advertiser.

It appears Wallace still has a high regard for midfielders and will be trying to avoid Richmond like the plague.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Fergus
Stiffy - on 5AA this morning they said that the Crows were speaking with Terry Wallace today as he is in town for a Glenelg function. Is this a follow-up talk to the one you believe has already happened?

There was an informal discussion last week when Wallace was in town fort he Slowdown. Its was just along the lines we would like to st down with you and hammer out a few points. We will sit down with you when we form a sub-committee sometime this week

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Still Crowing
Ch 7 Sunrise made a big mention in their sport round up that we were close to signing Wallace. I think its cobblers, we're just "in talks" at this stage, but a 'talk' is happenning today. If we do make a move on Plough, IMO a final decision/it won't be released to the media until after the season.

I agree. Its fibs. We will not announce anything until the end of the year.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by jmorg1
It appears Wallace still has a high regard for midfielders and will be trying to avoid Richmond like the plague.

And that worries me. If he places too much emphasis on running players like he did with the Bulldogs then we will never win the premiership. His first priority would have to be to build a strong spine and then add the running brigade. If he doesn't approach the job this way then we will be the side that makes the finals to make up the numbers.

Wallace had 6 or 7 years to address his spine problems with the doggies especially in defence but he ignored these for far too long. He always opted for midfielders in the draft when quality talls were available and the same criteria was used at draft table. The result was that Wallace left the doggies list as the shortest in the competition.

That article just suggests to me that he hasn't learned a hell of a lot from his time on the sidelines.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
And that worries me. If he places too much emphasis on running players like he did with the Bulldogs then we will never win the premiership. His first priority would have to be to build a strong spine and then add the running brigade. If he doesn't approach the job this way then we will be the side that makes the finals to make up the numbers.

Wallace had 6 or 7 years to address his spine problems with the doggies especially in defence but he ignored these for far too long. He always opted for midfielders in the draft when quality talls were available and the same criteria was used at draft table. The result was that Wallace left the doggies list as the shortest in the competition.

That article just suggests to me that he hasn't learned a hell of a lot from his time on the sidelines.

agree with your first point, that is my major concern as well.

The point on the Bulldogs having the shortest list is not correct. In his last year at the Bulldogs, Wallace had one of the tallest lists in the AFL.

Similar to our drafting of players in search of a tall marking forward, the Bulldogs did recruit a lot of talls.
Unfortunately few have made the transition to league since Wallaces departure.

 

[Fergus]

Well, KG & Cornesy have just reported that Terry Wallace did not meet with the Crows today. Let's hope that they get to it sooner rather than later.

 

[PrideOf]

Originally posted by Still Crowing
If we do make a move on Plough, IMO a final decision/it won't be released to the media until after the season.

Just like they did in Sydney?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by Fergus
Well, KG & Cornesy have just reported that Terry Wallace did not meet with the Crows today. Let's hope that they get to it sooner rather than later.

This is worse than the Elvis sightings

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
And that worries me. If he places too much emphasis on running players like he did with the Bulldogs then we will never win the premiership. His first priority would have to be to build a strong spine and then add the running brigade. If he doesn't approach the job this way then we will be the side that makes the finals to make up the numbers.

Wallace had 6 or 7 years to address his spine problems with the doggies especially in defence but he ignored these for far too long. He always opted for midfielders in the draft when quality talls were available and the same criteria was used at draft table. The result was that Wallace left the doggies list as the shortest in the competition.

That article just suggests to me that he hasn't learned a hell of a lot from his time on the sidelines.

Disappointing post from you, young Stiffmeister. You just haven't read the article properly.

Wallace is not saying that is his dream structure - all he's saying is that if your strength is in a certain area you structure it around that area, not around you weaknesses. Read these commwents of his

``My belief is that you have to be a little bit flexible. If you have key runners and you take over a side and the basis of their structure at that time is that they've got the best midfielders, then obviously you need to structure around a running, carrying game rather than what might be your high marking philosophy, so I think you've got to have that ability to manoeuvre it a bit,'' Wallace said when asked about his game plan ideals for a future coaching assignment earlier this year.

How can that be interpreted as being his preferred structure?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
Disappointing post from you, young Stiffmeister. You just haven't read the article properly.

Wallace is not saying that is his dream structure - all he's saying is that if your strength is in a certain area you structure it around that area, not around you weaknesses. Read these commwents of his

``My belief is that you have to be a little bit flexible. If you have key runners and you take over a side and the basis of their structure at that time is that they've got the best midfielders, then obviously you need to structure around a running, carrying game rather than what might be your high marking philosophy, so I think you've got to have that ability to manoeuvre it a bit,'' Wallace said when asked about his game plan ideals for a future coaching assignment earlier this year.

How can that be interpreted as being his preferred structure?

No I read the article and I understood what he is saying BUT you seem to be taking it on face value. Lets discuss this a bit further.

Wallace sees our midfield as our strength and as such will build a game plan around it. His main priority is to win so what he will do is select the side that will win him the game. Just like he did at WB he will get settled into that team structure and will not be all that keen to play around with it by introducing talls that are not made for the structure that he is likely to implement.

I cringe every time he mentions running players because we all know he has an obsession with them and as I said earlier all the comments that he has made up to date tell me that he hasn't learned as much as you think. If he does get appointed you will see the same style you saw with the doggies and the structure of the side that you see now will not be the same under Wallace. If he implements this structure I am pretty sure you won't be going into a game with 8 talls (2 ruckman, 3 tall defenders and 3 tall forwards). If he has learned something from his stint in the media then his first priority would be to build a strong spine, find a marking ruckman or 2 and THEN add to it running players.

It would appear that his obsession with running players has not been cured.

 

[macca23]

Stiify, you're simply putting a slant on it that just isn't there.

Wallace clearly says that you would build this running game rather than what might be your high marking philosophy if that's the type of player you have.

You're actually criticizing him for being flexible and saying that you have to adjust your actual game plan to what you've got rather than play some theoretical game plan for which you just don't have the man power. That would sem eminently sensible in my book.

The man is not the bloody idiot you're trying to interpret him to be

 

[Crow-mosone]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
And that worries me. If he places too much emphasis on running players like he did with the Bulldogs then we will never win the premiership. His first priority would have to be to build a strong spine and then add the running brigade. If he doesn't approach the job this way then we will be the side that makes the finals to make up the numbers.

I seem to recall we won 2 flags with a running side that didn't have much of a spine.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
This is worse than the Elvis sightings

lol
Terry wallace is packing groceries in my local foodland...

 

[Crow-mosone]

Originally posted by macca23
Stiify, you're simply putting a slant on it that just isn't there.

Wallace clearly says that you would build this running game rather than what might be your high marking philosophy if that's the type of player you have.

You're actually criticizing him for being flexible and saying that you have to adjust your actual game plan to what you've got rather than play some theoretical game plan for which you just don't have the man power. That would sem eminently sensible in my book.

The man is not the bloody idiot you're trying to interpret him to be

good post Macca. The last sentence in particular is something we should not forget.