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Beside it having practical uses Gold is desired for aesthetic purposes. You cant hang crypto around your neck or on your finger. It has zero utility. Gold has heaps.
More utility than crypto, sure. But the days of it having ‘heaps’ are long gone. Certainly its practical uses fall well short of the price/value the world attaches to it, which was the whole point I was making that utility is not necessarily the determining factor in an asset’s worth.
 
More utility than crypto, sure. But the days of it having ‘heaps’ are long gone. Certainly its practical uses fall well short of the price/value the world attaches to it, which was the whole point I was making that utility is not necessarily the determining factor in an asset’s worth.
Your undervaluing the aesthetic demand. 90 percent of all women on the planet are probably wearing some right now. And plenty of men as well. Most houses will also have additional items with some gold in it such as furniture and cutlery. In india and many other cultures every wedding comes with a massive transfer of gold.

the reason we dont use it for industrial purposes is because the aesthetic demand has bid the price up too high to be used for those purposes. But if the aesthetic demand ever disapeared gold demand for industrial purposes would rise significantly once again as its price fell.

there are no uses for crypto. Gold is everywhere in society.
 
Your undervaluing the aesthetic demand. 90 percent of all women on the planet are probably wearing some right now. And plenty of men as well. Most houses will also have additional items with some gold in it such as furniture and cutlery. In india and many other cultures every wedding comes with a massive transfer of gold.
Fair, it absolutely still has value attached to it for its use in making jewelry and other high-value items, but that in itself does not come close to accounting for the entirety of its value, which goes back to my original point. Practical use is not necessarily commensurate with value.

the reason we dont use it for industrial purposes is because the aesthetic demand has bid the price up too high to be used for those purposes. But if the aesthetic demand ever disapeared gold demand for industrial purposes would rise significantly once again as its price fell.
Not really. While price is absolutely a factor in it not being widely used for industrial purposes, a much more influential reason is simply because there are better metals (or even non-metals) for most of the uses we once had for it. Silver, copper and titanium have considerably more utility as industrial metals than gold does.

When global share markets go belly-up and people inevitably start shoveling money into gold, they’re not thinking “boy what a safe investment this will be, everyone I know wears a gold chain”, they’re parking money somewhere that ‘feels’ safe because we’ve attached intrinsic or dare I say it even emotional value to something, and that far outweighs its practical uses or actual value as a metal. Gold is something that doesn’t need the backing of a bank or government and doesn’t (any longer) underpin national currencies. Like it or not, crypto has a lot of the same characteristics despite having even fewer practical uses. It won’t be a safe haven anytime soon, but to dismiss it as wildly over valued or even call it a ponzi scheme or scam simply because it has few practical uses is erroneous IMO.
 

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Gold has always had an almost religious following from the 'bugs' but to compare crypto to it is pretty silly.
Never compared crypto with gold, but people seem to be falling over themselves to read that into what I’ve posted. I literally just used gold as an example of something with few practical uses still being valuable. That’s it. Perhaps I should have used sporting memorabilia, Disney figurines or baseball cards as an example instead 🤦🏻‍♂️
 
Never compared crypto with gold, but people seem to be falling over themselves to read that into what I’ve posted. I literally just used gold as an example of something with few practical uses still being valuable. That’s it. Perhaps I should have used sporting memorabilia, Disney figurines or baseball cards as an example instead 🤦🏻‍♂️
They are better examples but they are very small markets and and again there is some aesthetic appeal to them. People like looking at them. They like having them sitting on the shelf, bringing them out and showing them to others. I dont think the aesthetic appeal is much. But its something.
 
They are better examples but they are very small markets and and again there is some aesthetic appeal to them. People like looking at them. They like having them sitting on the shelf, bringing them out and showing them to others.
Fair enough. I think that’s probably the closest we’ll get to any sort of agreement so perhaps we should leave it there 😅

I’m far from a crypto devotee, I just think it’s being undervalued and written off too readily as a viable high-risk investment that will likely increase in value again in the medium term.
 
I assume you've been able to pay off at least a nice house and car with your crypto earnings then?
My house was already paid off from regular income and property investment. I bought two new cars last year and threw most of my other crypto profits into shares and taxes :(.

This year has hurt a little, but it's not unexpected. I've been riding the crypto rollercoaster since 2017.

If nothing else, the cynics should be glad that some of us are contributing large sums in the form of tax towards public school and healthcare that offset whatever evil crypto causes.

Edit: some others here did better than me.
 
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Gold has always had an almost religious following from the 'bugs' but to compare crypto to it is pretty silly.
There's a massive difference in risk. The past year has taught me that bitcoin is definitely not a hedge against inflation.
 
And now they've been hacked?

Inside job. What an absolute shit show. The interviews popping up of the chick who is the 'CEO' of the sister company are hysterical. Even the staunchest of believers in this would have to be questioning their beliefs that this isn't a Ponzi.
 

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Nah, 40 million into the just gone mid terms wasn't going to the Rep. Party.

Nov 8, 2022 at 5:49 pm ET Embattled Cryptocurrency Founder Spent $40 Million on Midterms


His mother is a shit lib.

His mother, Barbara Fried, leads a group called Mind the Gap that helps raise Silicon Valley cash for Democrats

His father into it too

While his father, Joseph Bankman, drafted tax legislation for the powerful Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass)
 
Fair enough. I think that’s probably the closest we’ll get to any sort of agreement so perhaps we should leave it there 😅

I’m far from a crypto devotee, I just think it’s being undervalued and written off too readily as a viable high-risk investment that will likely increase in value again in the medium term.
But how do you determine it as being undervalued?

what measure do you use? When people say something is undervalued or overvalued they have an underlying measure to base this off. Crypto doesnt seem to have any underlying measure. Its value therefore is always what it is at any given moment.

there was a time when people would say it would replace money. That gave it an underlying value. I.e. the sum of all crypto was equal to the sum of all goods and services produced. Sounds good when you say bitcoin has a finite supply. But once everyone realised that infinite crypto currencies could be produced then this finite supply angle lost all meaning.

now it has no Underlying value that i can see.
 
I’ve got no interest in buying crypto but I’m curious about all these exchanges collapsing having recently watched a Netflix show about a Canadian exchange where crypto holders lost their holdings.

Is that the only medium one can purchase crypto or can you buy from a more secure vendor? I understand you can mine it but what happens to it? How do you verify that you own something?

While I have appreciation for investing into an asset that isn’t tied to fiat currency, crypto seems about as secure as a yacht that is made of balsa wood.
 
I’ve got no interest in buying crypto but I’m curious about all these exchanges collapsing having recently watched a Netflix show about a Canadian exchange where crypto holders lost their holdings.

Is that the only medium one can purchase crypto or can you buy from a more secure vendor? I understand you can mine it but what happens to it? How do you verify that you own something?

While I have appreciation for investing into an asset that isn’t tied to fiat currency, crypto seems about as secure as a yacht that is made of balsa wood.
You generally need to buy from an exchange, but you don’t have to store there. You can store it in a cold wallet rather than a wallet with an exchange. I think folks with hefty balances were silly not to be doing that prior to what’s happened in the last week or so; they’d be stark raving mad not to now.
 

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Buy on a reputable exchange then shift it to cold storage instantly

Talk is that sbf had a hand in Luna, Voyager etc etc getting rekt

Now we have funds being shifted around "accidentally" just when regulation checks are happening checking reserves

13k buy zone would be great

Democrats are majority anti-crypto and pro WS and banks.

What better way to try and destroy it than have one of your Lib Dem stooges do it from within.
 
Democrats are majority anti-crypto and pro WS and banks.

What better way to try and destroy it than have one of your Lib Dem stooges do it from within.
Yes dems are anti crypto cos they believe in government. All lefties should be 100 percent anti crypto. There is no government welfare or public services in a world where the goverment issued currency is replaced by crypto.
 

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