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D3 D3 2009
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magicroach
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Matt has a wealth of experience.
Level 2 AFL accreditation
Has played at a couple of club including Macedon (he will not be a playing coach)
Eastern Ranges FC Talent Scout
St John/Old Collegians assistant Coach
Dandenong Stingrays Talent Scout and Skills Coach
Frankston and Peninsula Inter League Coach
Western Jets Talent Scout
Yarragon FC player and Assistant Coach
He also completed sports science degree (Bachelor of Applied Science - Physical Education)
Plus more!
With such an impressive coaching CV, why is he not coaching the firsts?
Oh, I'm sorry, you have an even better credentialed coach for the seniors!
Not to mentioned the gun recruits! (still wondering how you can sign recruits -without benefits that is- when registrations don't open for 3 to 4 months)
Already pencilling in a loss to Bentleigh - they can't / won't be beaten.
{McMulloch 2008: Stepped down due to on-field team performances & lack of player commitment, IMO}
The turnaround for the 2009 season has been unbelievable!
They don't have to spend 2 hours in the car each way to play football is their reward. Still playing under the same coach, massive pluses for any new recruit.
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drybones
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For the first bold point: yes I think we do. Coming straight out of a senior coaching role where his side made the prelim final is better than someone who is not coming straight from a senior coaching position in 08, so Matt is best suited for the reserves I feel, and working under Lex in the seniors.
For the second bold point: I think it was more of a lack in belief that McCulloch was the right man for the job and some players made their feelings known and it showed in the results. Well surprise, it worked, the right decisions have been made and we now have the right man/men for the job in position now..
tiger_tuff
Debutant
So drybones are you suggesting that McCulloch was not re-appointed due to a player revolt?
As for the right decision being made & having the right men in the job etc....i just checked the 2009 results & was suprised to see that Bentleigh are on zero wins like everyone else. Would appear as though some Bentleigh posters are getting ahead of themselves
drybones;12893855[B said:
I think this is a piss-poor excuse, & down right un-Bentleigh-like. If this is true, the players should have a good look at themselves!
Most players aged between 20-25, who should be the ones winning games for us were overweight, never trained or disinterested. I hope this core of players turn it around in 2009.
drybones
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TT I'm not suggesting there was anything remotely like a revolt. A couple of guys made their feelings clear by speaking up, not everyone, but many shared the same views and the coaching appointment was questioned from day one. That's not to say none of us tried to deliver results at all. It became clear after a few weeks that McCulloch did not have the coaching experience required to step straight into the job. Yes he had the playing experience but that's not all it takes. IMO the club would've been better of keeping Adam Laxton on for a 2nd year, which is something we haven't had in a while, a 2nd year coach.
But that's all in the past now and we're just trying to stay positive after some very poor years TT. I for one am not getting ahead of myself, as you've all been saying, nothing can be settled until registrations go through. But we can be excited can't we? Excited about the prospect of TWO very experienced coaches coming down to help us develop our young list and excited that for once in a long time we have people coming down without an already-established opinion on every player, meaning everyone will have to put in the hard yards to impress because no one (except any Phillip Island recruits) can be picked on reputation..
Me being one of those players I'm sure you'd understand how frustrating it was being left out of the side with spots being taken up by some of the older guys at the club.. as you say it should be all about this young group coming up, and as Hawthorn did at AFL level you must stick with guys to give them experience, learn a game plan and most of all learn to play with the rest of the group that they will play with in future.
Too many guys were judged too quickly. Some held their spot in the side all year based on a couple of performances on the hope that they might pull one out again, whereas others were judged negatively on one performance and weren't ever given much more of a chance after that.
The fish rots at the head and after a few weeks I'm sure the club realised already what changes had to be made for 2009..
koby01
Team Captain
To all bentleigh players.. Lets all pull our heads in and stop blaming the previous coach for a poor year, we were all responsible, we as a club were pathetic, from President, right down to the last player on the list.
Players - We as a whole were not committed, and that's just the pure facts...
Lawry, Magnifico, Swinn, Frost & Fridman - were the only blokes that committed themselves fitness wise for the whole year. So lets stop blaming poor choices for our performance, and just accept the playing group let the club down, from our Captain and leadership group right down to Raj (Gotta love Raj)
We have a great club, great people and great facilities, so lets hope with the new coaches and new players on board we can all turn it around and take responsibility for 2009...We have the cattle if everyone COMMITS!!
D3 - Yes it will be easier, but don't become complacent, potentials only a word!
Lets all just get every player fit and have a good year.
xoxo
Players - We as a whole were not committed, and that's just the pure facts...
Lawry, Magnifico, Swinn, Frost & Fridman - were the only blokes that committed themselves fitness wise for the whole year. So lets stop blaming poor choices for our performance, and just accept the playing group let the club down, from our Captain and leadership group right down to Raj (Gotta love Raj)
We have a great club, great people and great facilities, so lets hope with the new coaches and new players on board we can all turn it around and take responsibility for 2009...We have the cattle if everyone COMMITS!!
D3 - Yes it will be easier, but don't become complacent, potentials only a word!
Lets all just get every player fit and have a good year.
xoxo
koby01
Team Captain
Also.....
Players and Senior people in the club can sit here and bag Macca as much as they like but at the end of the day we as players let him down more than he let us down! The bloke has played 300 games and deserves some respect!!
The guy forked out his own money this year too pay for certain things in our football dept, as the club couldn't afford it... Our Committee should be embarrassed by this!
As sniper 20 said "I think this is a piss-poor excuse, & down right un-Bentleigh-like. If this is true, the players should have a good look at themselves..
Good to see Gary Matlock step up as president this year, I'm sure he and Dimma can help revive the club, good positive move!
Players and Senior people in the club can sit here and bag Macca as much as they like but at the end of the day we as players let him down more than he let us down! The bloke has played 300 games and deserves some respect!!
The guy forked out his own money this year too pay for certain things in our football dept, as the club couldn't afford it... Our Committee should be embarrassed by this!
As sniper 20 said "I think this is a piss-poor excuse, & down right un-Bentleigh-like. If this is true, the players should have a good look at themselves..
Good to see Gary Matlock step up as president this year, I'm sure he and Dimma can help revive the club, good positive move!
drybones
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You've gotta be kidding mate!!
Maybe you yourself were not at enough training sessions to see who was training "for the whole year".
If you're going to name names then I'd make sure I got it right.
Hawks_Back2Back_2009
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I played for old paradians last year and played against bentleigh, they were the biggest bunch of sooks out of any team in D2... They tried to be a bunch of snipers but could not fight to save themselves, just ask there full back who was stung on the chin by youngy! The supporters at their home grown were disgraceful and a blight on the VAFA in my opinion!
Frankly they just weren't hard enough at the ball.
Any Monash boys on this forum? I have just moved out to your neck of the woods and looking for a new club as it's to far to travel back to bundoora every week.
Frankly they just weren't hard enough at the ball.
Any Monash boys on this forum? I have just moved out to your neck of the woods and looking for a new club as it's to far to travel back to bundoora every week.
tiger_tuff
Debutant
from what i have heard over 50 players played senior footy & about 20 played their 1st senior game for bfc in 08. if those stats are true then sounds as though plenty of opportunity was given to the playing list. as for old blokes getting a game, from my knowledge there weren't too many old blokes playing & it seemed whenever i saw them that they had 16 to 20 players who looked to be 21 & under. maybe more under 19s should have been blooded?
maybe you are just a bit bitter cos you weren't up to it or didn't work hard enough?
magicroach seems to be on the committee by his posts, tell us the truth about the coach, was he sacked cos of a player revolt or did he move on for some other reason?
tiger_tuff
Debutant
bentleigh's not far from monash, don't wanna join them for 09?
drybones
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Correct 50+ did play senior footy but my point is, player management was not up to standard. It must be said we were smashed with injury which didn't help with guys coming in and out every week, but others were being given games just here and there, not based too much on form IMO.
You have to pick players on form and team balance, I think that's pretty obvious. There's no point playing one game here, one game there and just being judged on these performances one-by-one, rather than playing a stretch of games and assessing that player's form.
Also, as you say maybe more U19s should've been blooded and that's correct too. But U19s were not given many games and I don't know for what reason. It was either they just wanted to play with their mates in the U19 team or their coach was reluctant to give them to the senior side (because they were looking to push for finals). Both reasons are not good enough IMO.
To finish off.. if you knew me you would happily take back the final line of your post. I am 100% committed to this club, I am Bentleigh through and through. We've been through a few pretty lean years and now the slate is clean, the club (on and off the field) is heading in the right direction and we are excited to see what we can do in 2009 and beyond.
Oh and again on the coach.. no player revolt. As a player I think I'd know if this happened. I'm sure it was either he was told he wasn't required by the higher powers at the club or he was man enough to admit he wasn't right for the job at this stage of his coaching career and stepped down himself.. much credit to him if he did this, would be a tough pill to swallow I'm sure. As a legend of the Bentleigh FC (300+ games) I know everyone wishes him the best for any future coaching endeavours.. hopefully he learnt a whole lot from his first year in a very difficult job.
This is great!!! Keep it up Bentleigh boys, makes for interesting reading!!! By the start of the season you will be punching on with each other.......love it.
magicroach
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There was absolutely no sackings or player revolts. Coaching is a tough gig and a huge commitment, usually a much bigger one than first realised. Due to time restraints with work and family a decision was made not to re-apply for the position. That is all.
Yes I think Bentleigh should stop airing the dirty laundry in public & focus on the 2009 season...
magicroach
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Here, here. Bitching, bagging and ill informed and uneducated personal opinions achieve nothing.
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WhiteNikes
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Hows the new turf looking down there MagicRoach?? when will it be ready?
knackers22
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Is there anything else we can discuss besides Bentleigh??
Anyone know when draw for next season out along with finalised grades?
Anyone know when draw for next season out along with finalised grades?
magicroach
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magicroach
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Grades are in place and will be signed off Oct 26th. Rumours of teams going in & out or Up & down are just that..........rumours. Haven't heard about draw yet.
Why are people bitter at not getting games in the 1's? Obviously, the coach thought there were 22 people out there better. If you dis-approve so much why didn't you apply for the coaching job? There's every chance your new coach will treat you the same
redandtheblue
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i think the point is its in the past all this stuff and you cant change any of that. as has been said we now are looking forward more than back. the in-house talk should prob stop though.
whoever you might be youre more than welcome at bentleigh. as is anyone else. far as i can see the 2009 talk with coaches and recruits has been all positive so why wouldnt you want to join the flag favs?
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