Dale Thomas

[MagpieJoel]

Fair call. I could have sworn I saw him running off half back this year.

You probably have.

 

[Skippy231]

Maybe, just don't think he will want to go to Adelaide. When was the last time you guys landed a bloke from interstate, other than blokes that come from SA and want to come home?

This isn't a pot shot, I just can't remember.

Tambling

 

[Mattrox]

Maybe, just don't think he will want to go to Adelaide. When was the last time you guys landed a bloke from interstate, other than blokes that come from SA and want to come home?

This isn't a pot shot, I just can't remember.

Don't think we tried very hard previously. We were always fixated on local talent.

Dangerfield and Sloane are Victorian. Plenty of interstate talent has been recruited and remain loyal. There was a right stink after we drafted Dangerfield that we didn't take Ebert, the local talent. I hope that people have moved on from being completely parochial.

This is our chance to throw our hat in the ring and be vocal about it. The more that players know we are serious about securing interstate talent and keeping them happy the greater our chances of securing one.

 

[Draft Bored]

Maybe, just don't think he will want to go to Adelaide. When was the last time you guys landed a bloke from interstate, other than blokes that come from SA and want to come home?

This isn't a pot shot, I just can't remember.

Carey. But I think that's because he was chased out of Victoria.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Fair enough. Though, I think drafting someone is different to convincing a big name player to move interstate.

 

[feenix67]

So... The question is... Why aren't we? The club, that is. Why aren't they fighting for better conditions?

That's where your argument turns into a big steaming pile of horse Ma Newer. (Not a bad word, with the Ma, and the newer).

You're claiming we've been done over, and yet you're defending the VERY people who have presided over the doing over, and haven't done a thing to fight it. Which is what you say we should be doing.

Either way, your argument paints the club in a really shitty light. Funny really.

Rhetoric like "why aren't we fighting for better conditions" is easy to trot out, but ultimately it carries no weight. We are not (yet) a marginal football state. We have no leverage with the AFL. You and I both know the only reason Port got a handout was because of the AFL's contractual obligations under the media agreement. Even so, they only got that handout after the SANFL had been bled dry. Interesting that, having bled the SANFL dry, the AFL now hold leverage with regards to venues and licenses...

Do you remember the uproar in Victoria that followed a year or two of interstate dominance? Eddie and Jeff bashed down the door of the AFL to rope in those clubs who were advantaged by the system. Do we have that leverage? No, we do not.

The AFC supporters jump up and down at the ineptitude of our current administration, yet we are completely apathetic when it comes to the broader picture of the state of the sport in this state, and the conditions under which the AFC operate. Im not defending poor decision making by the AFC, but I also cannot condone people being so vigilante about the AFC when it's clear the playing field - regardless of what some here say - is anything but even.

I posted in another thread about the number of players who have been removed from the draft due to priority picks and F/S rule. Carlton fielded 9 top 12 draft picks including 3 number 1 picks last friday night. Geelong have won flags on the back of a swag of F/S picks. Brisbane dominates in the early 2000's because of draft and TPP concessions. Collingwood hangs on to star players because of third party deals not subject to the TPP. West Coast deliberately bottom out in a year they have massive injuries (ie they tank), grab a priority pick and win a flag a couple of years later. Sydney can afford the most promising KPF in the country because of their COLA. GCS and GWS get untold draft concessions to build teams. The list goes on.... and the most damning fact of all is, if you look at the premiers since 2000, ALL of them have been teams who have received draft or cap concessions.

My point in all of this is, whilst we should be shitty at the AFC for stuffing something up, we should be ropeable at the inequities in the system that make in virtually impossible for us to be successful, and for the pillaging of our local football environment.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Carey. But I think that's because he was chased out of Victoria.

Yeah, don't think anyone wanted him due to the perceived potential he might destabilise clubs.

 

[feenix67]

Yeah, don't think anyone wanted him due to the perceived potential he might destabilise clubs.

He was a South Aussie anyway, so probably doesn't really count. We've never attracted a big name Victorian player..... come to think of it, I doubt anyone other than the expansion clubs ever has. Says something, doesn't it?

 

[Draft Bored]

.... and the most damning fact of all is, if you look at the premiers since 2000, ALL of them have been teams who have received draft or cap concessions.

Wow. Interesting stat that one!

So by draft concessions are you talking f/s rule included?

 

[feenix67]

Wow. Interesting stat that one!

So by draft concessions are you talking f/s rule included?

Isn't it. But it's an even playing field right?

edit: yes priority picks and F/S rule picks

I wonder if the Carls and Petes of this board can explain why they rail so heavily against the admin of the club, yet say bugger all about the inequity which results in us getting 2 years of draft sanctions, fines and personnel suspensions for what amounted to an administrative stuff up with no material gain to our club, and yet Melbourne, whose coach and others effectively admitted to tanking (which I would consider a much more flagrant manipulation of the draft) get off with a fine that will be returned to them by the AFL via funding anyway, and the suspension of their ex coach (ironically now also an AFC employee)?

Why aren't people storming AFL house about this?

 

[Mego Red]

Don't think we tried very hard previously. We were always fixated on local talent.

Why do you think that is true? Why don't you think we were trying to get interstate players? Because we weren't successful?

 

[Mego Red]

Isn't it. But it's an even playing field right?

edit: yes priority picks and F/S rule picks

I wonder if the Carls and Petes of this board can explain why they rail so heavily against the admin of the club, yet say bugger all about the inequity which results in us getting 2 years of draft sanctions, fines and personnel suspensions for what amounted to an administrative stuff up with no material gain to our club, and yet Melbourne, whose coach and others effectively admitted to tanking (which I would consider a much more flagrant manipulation of the draft) get off with a fine that will be returned to them by the AFL via funding anyway, and the suspension of their ex coach (ironically now also an AFC employee)?

Why aren't people storming AFL house about this?

This is a fantastic point.

And let's preemptively add Essendon, who will probably lose premiership points for games already played and then miss out on finals - which is the equivalent of missing maybe two games they should be playing in.

But won't lose draft picks or anything that will in any way affect their side for longer than a few weeks, for the most tangible act of cheating seen in Australian sport.

 

[Draft Bored]

Isn't it. But it's an even playing field right?

edit: yes priority picks and F/S rule picks

I wonder if the Carls and Petes of this board can explain why they rail so heavily against the admin of the club, yet say bugger all about the inequity which results in us getting 2 years of draft sanctions, fines and personnel suspensions for what amounted to an administrative stuff up with no material gain to our club, and yet Melbourne, whose coach and others effectively admitted to tanking (which I would consider a much more flagrant manipulation of the draft) get off with a fine that will be returned to them by the AFL via funding anyway, and the suspension of their ex coach (ironically now also an AFC employee)?

Why aren't people storming AFL house about this?

You definitely have a point.

Luckily we'll start to see some f/s action happening soon providing they actually select Adelaide as their preferred club. At this stage it doesn't sound like many will (Rehn, Edwards)!

 

[feenix67]

This is a fantastic point.

And let's preemptively add Essendon, who will lose premiership points for games already played, and miss out on finals - which is the equivalent of missing maybe two games they should be playing in.

But won't lose draft picks or anything that will in any way affect their side for longer than a few weeks, for the most tangible etc of cheating seen in Australian sport.

Totally agree, they will lose this years points and be dropped from the finals and maybe drop an assistant coach and a couple of staff and that's it. The way the Essendon thing is being handled is embarrassing to Australian sport.

 

[xxxWillxxx]

dont know if he will go or not... But imagine daisy and danger in the same side :O

 

[Draft Bored]

Totally agree, they will lose this years points and be dropped from the finals and maybe drop an assistant coach and a couple of staff and that's it. The way the Essendon thing is being handled is embarrassing to Australian sport.

I reckon they'll lose their first and second picks this year as well.

 

[xxxWillxxx]

I reckon they'll lose their first and second picks this year as well.

From an outside perspective makes the Adelaide punishment the biggest injustice in footy ever...

 

[Skippy231]

Also if Tippett can get a full season suspension for his part in the contract, suspended to 11 games then every Essendon player deserves a 2 year ban with 12 months suspended at the very minimum. Obviously because it is Essendon they will get a slap on the wrist and no suspension. The AFL as an organization are a f*****g discrace

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Do you have any facts or contacts to back that statement up? Genuine question. I'm not being rude but sometimes it hard to tell if people are stating facts or points of view on here.

Based on 21 years of trading at the Adelaide Football Club.

In that entire time, we have only managed to recruit 2 blue chip players. 1 Darren Jarman and 2 a broken down (champion) in Wayne Carey.

So I'm sorry if I sound very skeptical that we can pull this off or if I don't believe we will recruit a high draft pick from a very popular Victorian club.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Yeah, don't think anyone wanted him due to the perceived potential he might destabilise clubs.

Your club chased him very hard and that's a fact.

 

[headache1]

Isn't it. But it's an even playing field right?

edit: yes priority picks and F/S rule picks

I wonder if the Carls and Petes of this board can explain why they rail so heavily against the admin of the club, yet say bugger all about the inequity which results in us getting 2 years of draft sanctions, fines and personnel suspensions for what amounted to an administrative stuff up with no material gain to our club, and yet Melbourne, whose coach and others effectively admitted to tanking (which I would consider a much more flagrant manipulation of the draft) get off with a fine that will be returned to them by the AFL via funding anyway, and the suspension of their ex coach (ironically now also an AFC employee)?

Why aren't people storming AFL house about this?

Umm, if this is an issue, whose job would it be to be "storming AFL house about this"? I would have thought it would be the administration that the Carl's and Pete's of this board are complaining about.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Do you think Cloke's deal with the Footy Show is part of his TPP? Do you not think it's odd that a man would knock back half a mill in order to stay at a club? Do you really think we are on equal footing with clubs in Victoria, NSW and QLD when it comes to recruiting?

We should be up in arms at the manner in which our indiscretion has been consistently misrepresented by the AFL and the Vic-centric media. We should be up in arms at the AFL's sanctions handed down to us for what was a minor issue that gave us no material advantage. We should be screaming about the inequities in the system that allow us to lose key players and set our development back 10 years in order to provide expansion clubs with a leg up.

Instead, we're vilifying a bloke (and a club) for trying to retain our best KPF in the face of all these inequities.

Sorry, but you all have been sucked in by the media, and by some peoples' personal abhorrence of the current AFC administration. Football in this state has been r*ped for the last 20 years, our AFL "club" (hint: it's not a club) exists under the worst trading and draft/salary cap conditions, and our local competition (and real clubs that have been around for 100 years) are in danger because of our AFL franchise's natural desire for a seconds team (why the hell doesn't the NATIONAL COMP cater for this?).

People need to wake up and think about what's actually going on.

Go Cornesy!

 

[Mattrox]

Why do you think that is true? Why don't you think we were trying to get interstate players? Because we weren't successful?

In the early days we were fixated on signing SA lads.

Plenty of SA lads over the years went to Vic and made it home. Kernahan and Mckay (Blues variety) are well and truley entrenched in Carlton. I think we do now realise that it is not as easy to lure SA boys back.

I think footy in SA has matured a bit. (only a bit) The initial reacting to signing Dangerfield is the mindset that I believe stopped us going hard for a lot in interstaters.

And lets be honest, if the idea is not put into their head, its not like a lot of footballers will say "Oh I want to be traded to Adelaide". We will need to chase them.

Then we get the over-reaction. "Oh we need to get a Victorian into the club" and that idea landed us an awesome coach in Robert Shaw. And the signing of Tambling "We need a big name player from a different club".

What we should be saying is we want "the best available". It cuts through the BS of SA vs Vic and is a more better approach to success.

 

[Allefgib]

Girls often tell me to be more open with my feelings.

I say: Babe, I'm very open. There's just nothing in there.

Allergic though - he can get it out of me.

I always tell people, "Pete's like a chocolate doughnut. Appealing to the eye, fulfilling and delicious. The only problem is there is a big empty hole in the middle."

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Isn't it. But it's an even playing field right?

edit: yes priority picks and F/S rule picks

I wonder if the Carls and Petes of this board can explain why they rail so heavily against the admin of the club, yet say bugger all about the inequity which results in us getting 2 years of draft sanctions, fines and personnel suspensions for what amounted to an administrative stuff up with no material gain to our club, and yet Melbourne, whose coach and others effectively admitted to tanking (which I would consider a much more flagrant manipulation of the draft) get off with a fine that will be returned to them by the AFL via funding anyway, and the suspension of their ex coach (ironically now also an AFC employee)?

Why aren't people storming AFL house about this?

Because we agreed to plead guilty to the charge and they didn't.We didn't fight it, we just laid back, rolled over and waited for the pain without offering any sort of fight or argument. We were not willing to take them to court. We were not willing to argue our innocence, we pleaded guilty. GUILTY

The Melbourne Football Club were as guilty as charged, blind Freddy could see that but they have the courage to stand up to the AFL and say, we are not guilty of anything, we have don't nothing wrong and we will not just accept what you say without a good honest fight.

We demand you find us guilty and show some hard hitting evidence. Otherwise, we will take you to court and we will win as your constitution and wording surrounding the claim of tanking is a load of shit and will not stand up in a court of law.

We pleaded guilty, they didn't. Don't get all shitting at us for not accepting there stupid and try and find a loop hole by blaming the AFL. If we were as smart as some say, we would have asked those high priced lawyers to find a legal lop hole and fight that damn charge, instead of just accepting it like a soft arse club we are.