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Do we have a crack at these guys at the end of the Year??

There's been a lot of talk on the Radio & on TV about how the Crows should go after these 2 Guys.
Do you think we should? if so what do you think Port would want We all know Port plays Hardball?

Thoughts??
 
Originally posted by Riddler
Do we have a crack at these guys at the end of the Year??

There's been a lot of talk on the Radio & on TV about how the Crows should go after these 2 Guys.
Do you think we should? if so what do you think Port would want We all know Port plays Hardball?

Thoughts??
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I think your last sentence sums it up well.

Port would want far too much IMO.

I really like Damon White as a player. He'd be a regular in any other side than Port or Brisbane.

Ackland's a good SANFL player but has never really impressed me when he's had one of his rare AFL opportunities.

Definitely White for a fair deal, but can't see it happening.
 

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Re: Re: Damon White & Cain Ackland?

Originally posted by macca23

I really like Damon White as a player. He'd be a regular in any other side than Port or Brisbane.

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Don't agree....

Take Williams out of the equation and White would be a regular in any side other than Brisbane alone.
 
Re: Re: Re: Damon White & Cain Ackland?

Originally posted by Poet from Port
Don't agree....

Take Williams out of the equation and White would be a regular in any side other than Brisbane alone.
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Are you saying there's a bit of Hostility between them or you just don't think Chocco is giving him a go?
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Damon White & Cain Ackland?

Originally posted by Riddler
Are you saying there's a bit of Hostility between them or you just don't think Chocco is giving him a go?
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White doesnt have the gold card in Choco's view
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Damon White & Cain Ackland?

Originally posted by _espoir
White doesnt have the gold card in Choco's view
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True...

Williams is also of the opinion that either a resting ruckmen or a small leading type are a better option than a permanent FF. Also, with Tredrea being utilised as something between a FF and a CHF a traditional FF just doesn't suit his desired structure...
 
Originally posted by Riddler
What do you think Port would want for either of them??
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White will stay at Port or go back home to the West IMO. The fact that injuries were a major reason for his lack of opportunities will hopefully ensure he remains. As _espoir said..."HANDS OFF".

Ackland...your guess is as good as mine....
 
Originally posted by Poet from Port
Ackland...your guess is as good as mine....
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even though he was fantastic at the start, again injury caused is "push" out of the side. But then again with Lade, Brogan, Matty all in the ruck. Mostly Brogan showing his improvement over the last year and a bit when Matty has been out. Ackland just cant get into the side, but... I havent heard about his on going preformace at the P A Magpies. So i cant comment on how he is going, maybe Macca19 may fill us in on that.
 
Originally posted by _espoir
I havent heard about his on going preformace at the P A Magpies. So i cant comment on how he is going, maybe Macca19 may fill us in on that.
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Ackland has been very good in the last month for the Magpies but was not that great before that if IRC. he has injured himself now though and may be out for 3 weeks

On Saturday he beat Lindsay and O'Hara who have been the best ruck combo in the league this year by quite a way.
 
I have been saying for a while now that we should go after Damon White 100 miles an hour. He would be a walk up start for us and would straighten us up to no end. I think we could possibly get him for our3rd round pick but personally I would be willing to give up our 2nd round draft pcik for him. Provided we get a pick for Stinger.

Ackland, I am not too keen about but if we are slighty interested, we could get him in the pre-season draft for sweet **** all. I can't see him staying on Port list for much longer. He hasn't played an AFL game for ages.
 

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I think we could possibly get him for our3rd round pick but personally I would be willing to give up our 2nd round draft pcik for him. Provided we get a pick for Stinger.
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You reckon we could get him for a 3rd round pick Stffy?

I hope you're right but i think Port might want a bit more. I also agree in giving up our 2nd pick for him!
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Damon White ... I think we could possibly get him for our3rd round pick ...
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Stiffy have you been drinking from the bottles under yo mama's sink?!! ;)

Demonic Damon will cost us a lot more than a p1ssy 3rd round pick - kid's a gun.

20 years old (21 in August), 192cm & 92kgs, presents like a white chick with Oprah tickets - and since when has Port Adelaide ever done us any favours come tradeweek? It's always the other way around.
 
Originally posted by dyertribe
Stiffy have you been drinking from the bottles under yo mama's sink?!! ;)

Demonic Damon will cost us a lot more than a p1ssy 3rd round pick - kid's a gun.

20 years old (21 in August), 192cm & 92kgs, presents like a white chick with Oprah tickets - and since when has Port Adelaide ever done us any favours come tradeweek? It's always the other way around.
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Thats what Ford Fairlane suggested in the other thread. If you think about it Guerra went to St.Kilda for the same price.

As I said I am more that willing to give up our 2nd rounder for White. I happen to rate him enourmously. He would be getting a lot more opportunities with us that he is with Port and we could always play hardball with Port as well. Our pre-season pick will be pretty good.

I would be selling AFC to White like you wouldn't believe.
 
Originally posted by dyertribe
Stiffy have you been drinking from the bottles under yo mama's sink?!! ;)

Demonic Damon will cost us a lot more than a p1ssy 3rd round pick - kid's a gun.

20 years old (21 in August), 192cm & 92kgs, presents like a white chick with Oprah tickets - and since when has Port Adelaide ever done us any favours come tradeweek? It's always the other way around.
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This smells a little of double standards here Dyertribe

How many good AFL games has he played?

You call him a gun and yet you get stuck into others for saying the same of Reilly, who has actually done more at AFL level.
 
Originally posted by Jars458
This smells a little of double standards here Dyertribe

How many good AFL games has he played?

You call him a gun and yet you get stuck into others for saying the same of Reilly, who has actually done more at AFL level.
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Reilly is a flanker/midfielder who was taken first round (ahead of Nick Dal Santo) in the so-called greatest draft of all time. He came with massive raps, made his debut in 2002 and has only just (injuries taken into consideration) started to produce some consistently good footy in a side that is getting outgrunted and outplayed at home by the likes of Carlton and Fremantle.

White has not only suffered prolonged injury but also limited opportunities in a Port forward line that boasts the best CHF in the comp in Warren Tredrea but also talls of the calibre of Brendan Lade and now Toby Thurstans, and previously Chad Cornes - this is also only his debut year and KPPs take a lot longer to develop. So far White has shown extremely promising signs both at SANFL and now in his three games at AFL level and looks to be a tremendous prospect who Port would be crazy to get rid of on the cheap.

I see the point you are trying to make, but in my view it's one with a dead end ;)
 

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Thats what Ford Fairlane suggested in the other thread. If you think about it Guerra went to St.Kilda for the same price.

As I said I am more that willing to give up our 2nd rounder for White. I happen to rate him enourmously. He would be getting a lot more opportunities with us that he is with Port and we could always play hardball with Port as well. Our pre-season pick will be pretty good.

I would be selling AFC to White like you wouldn't believe.
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Yeah well I guess I did say that, my thinking was that at least realistically Port couldn't ask for more simply because of the limited game time and injury concerns. I wasn't proposing a trade for him tho ...
 
To those proposing Guerra for #39 as an example, I would like to propose Adam Morgan for #34 as a counterexample.

I dunno why you'd want to make a bid for Ackland....won't you be drafting Wood anyway?
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Damon White & Cain Ackland?

Originally posted by Riddler
Are you saying there's a bit of Hostility between them or you just don't think Chocco is giving him a go?
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In a lot of Port supporters opinions Choco rarely gives young players a proper chance at either developing at AFL level or cementing a spot in the side.

Most teams consistently reward great reserves form....except for us. Young players must be consistently in their clubs best 2-3 for 4-6 weeks before getting a game.

Most of our youngsters that come in end up as taggers or dont get much time on the ground.

Thurstans was SANFL CHB of the year twice before he got a game...and then was pushed up forward.

S Burgoyne was in Magpies top 3 for about 6 weeks before getting a go...and then was dropped 2 weeks later after about 15 minutes of game time.

K Cornes was in and out of the side for close to two years

Cassisi got games only as a tagger before this year

Ebert and Salopek have spent most (all in Eberts case) in the forward lines.

Guerra was a bench player.

Morgan twice was in fantastic form but never got rewarded.

The list goes on.

The only reason White got a game in the first place was because the playing group went to the coaching staff and demanded he play the next week.


As for the two playesr in question. White is a great talent that could become a 50+ goalkicker in the future if given a proper go. In my opinion he should be untouchable as he is the exact type of player we need in our forward line.

Ackland....ive given him loads of crap over the past few years but this year given the role of first ruck he has been fantastic. He has regularly been in our best players over the past 2 months and would be the form ruckman of the SANFL by far. Usually hes been played at full forward or CHF with no success but given the oppurtunity in the ruck he has relished and taken control of games this year. He may just come good at AFL level as a true ruckman and not a forward. Considering hes our only ruckman under 26 i would be keeping him for another year.

If trades were to happen. I would like a 2nd round pick...between 25-30 but most likely would get one 30-35.

Ackland...35-45 pick for him.
 
Originally posted by Riddler
Do we have a crack at these guys at the end of the Year??

There's been a lot of talk on the Radio & on TV about how the Crows should go after these 2 Guys.
Do you think we should? if so what do you think Port would want We all know Port plays Hardball?

Thoughts??
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As a Port supporter I would not like to lose either of them. Both have had limited opportunities and I believe both are highly regarded down Alberton way. Ackland is a young, bullocking, strong marking ruckman (young Matty Primus) and ruckmen take longer to develope. White has shown what he can do on the few occassions he has been selected and IMO, the Crows can do much worse than Ackland and White. If the Crows considered Bock, Rutten, Hentschel to be top 20 picks, then as a guide, a top 20 pick for each is what Port would want (assuming they were on the market) is what they need to offer for these 2 because Ackland and White would have had more games next to their names if they were at any other club than Port or Brisbane.
 
I think both of them will be "not negotiable".
If they leave it will only be because they ask, and if that's the case one would think White will ask to go back to WA.
 
Originally posted by PAfolwr
I think both of them will be "not negotiable".
If they leave it will only be because they ask, and if that's the case one would think White will ask to go back to WA.
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Its all about selling your club to a player.

If we can sell to Damon that its in his best interest to continue his AFL career with the Crows then he would move across.

He should be playing AFL footy. He is good and would be playing regularly in any other of the 14 sides (except Port and Lions).

As I said what we need to do is convince White that it would be his best move career wise to play for the Crows where he would be a walk up start.

Time for AFC to start some serious marketing of itself to White :).
 

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