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Toast Dawson >>>>>>>Silvagni

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free at last said:
So SNOS has had two games and people are declaring Dawson is superior over SNOS.
Well **** me, talk about jumping the gun....does anyone think that having hilly & ballas contributed to the loss?
If Dawson had played we still would've lost.
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To be fair all the hype Silvagni has was built after 2 - 3 games anyway.

Dawson is clearly the better player. He is taller, faster, works harder off the ball, you name it.
 
jedi mind tricks said:
It was only Silvagni's second game this season at AFL level. WAFL only repares you so much. Weaker bodies, slower game etc... Silvagni didn't have good game but give him a few weeks and he may match it against the KPF's. I think too many people have been waiting for a chance to bag Silvagni.
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I thought he was awful and deserved bagging. He didn't however deserve the almost god like reverance he was afforded earlier in the year, while most people here sat around here and happily bagged or said nothing to support Dawson.
 

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dockshark said:
Nothing supports your position. Care to expand?
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Go and watch last seasons games when Alex was playing with confidence. I agree he wasn't very good tonight but no defender could've stopped Hurley taking most of those marks when the kicks to him were perfect. Dawson has had 1 good game this year, maybe two at a stretch. Give Silvagni 2-3 weeks to hit his straps, become accustom to the intensity of AFL/our structures in actual games, get his confidence up and you will see how much of a class above Dawson he really is.
 
I don't mind discussion on our players but jeebus some of us appear to revel in the negative shit just a tad too much for my liking.

Dawson is certainly best 18, SCOS at the moment is not - however this game was lost in the guts not at full back.

With Fyfe, Morabito, Hill & Ballantyne - we are barely a top 8 team.
 
Hurley dominated tonight and i found myself thinking we really missed Zac, honestly never thought i'd be thinking that at the start of the year
 
Moo said:
I don't mind discussion on our players but jeebus some of us appear to revel in the negative shit just a tad too much for my liking.

Dawson is certainly best 18, SCOS at the moment is not - however this game was lost in the guts not at full back.

With Fyfe, Morabito, Hill & Ballantyne - we are barely a top 8 team.
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I think it's not so much a response to the game itself, but to the incessant tire pumping of the people who kept calling for his inclusion against all logic ;) Just trying to keep the status quo
 
I know this is going to sound a bit 'party line', but I thought the whole defensive end as a package deal looked ordinary for most of the game. MJ not playing much of the game as 'spare man' was shown up. McPharlin having to work twice as hard to cover lack of spare man plus lack of help from SCOS even showed him up a bit. Most importantly though, the back six weren't helped buy a midfield that struggled to put def. pressure on their mids for all but perhaps 2 of the 4/4.

I'm don't want to make excuses for SCOS, he had a poor game and I too wished Zac was out there and so in that sense I kind of agree with the OP, but I just can't find any logic in bagging him as if the whole thing was his fault.
 
SNOS wasn't brilliant but he did some good things and wasn't as bad as some here are making out, especially considering he's barely played at this level this year and suddenly came up against a quality team who delivered the ball superbly to their forwards all night.

The real problem is some of you guys put him on an unrealistic pedestal to take out your frustrations with Dawson. He was never going to live up to that and now he has an ordinary game you all knee-jerk back too far the other way. Bunch of bipolar muthaf**kers. :cool:
 
I feel the frustrations with Dawson stem from some fans not liking the coach.

Silvagni's non selection could be used as an example of where Lyon was poor. Suffice to say, Lyon's estimation of each player's abilities is pretty much spot on.
 
Some of you guys are so against Silvagni it's not funny.
Give the guy a break, no one is saying he is the best full back ever to play the game and he is still learning the art but we believe he is a better option than Dawson.
Having watched the first half again, he only had one goal kicked on him when it was a long kick to Hurley in the pocket and only made one error with a long kick which no docker went for anyway. He did take some good marks and work hard though and anyone who thinks Dawson is better with ball in hand is a complete moron.
Thought Johnno was much worse tonight and McPharlin on par in a pretty poor defensive effort across the board especially in the midfield.

I would hate to see him leave at the end of the year as I know he will be a solid full back elsewhere, but couldn't blame him if he wanted more opportunity. Everyone on this board would be happy but overall it'd be a huge mistake IMO.
 
Rubbish. He is feted for things that Dawson does just as often and forgiven for things than Dawson is crucified for.

How often did Silvagni leave his man to kill the contest? How many spoils did he effect? Smothers? Dawson does several of these things per game. Silvagni's OK one on one. That's about it. The love he gets from Freo fans is over the top and absurd.
 

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For whatever reason, he had probably his worst game for us tonight.

One bad game means nothing though. Still feel he's better than Dawson.
 
The prevailing thought of the evening, Dawson's loss is a big one. If Silvagni was dropped for Grover I wouldn't be too upset, having said that he needs an extended run at AFL level before a decision can be made. Crameri and Hurley are no mugs but losing to David Hille consistently doesn't sit well with me.
 
Clay Davis said:
Rubbish. He is feted for things that Dawson does just as often and forgiven for things than Dawson is crucified for.

How often did Silvagni leave his man to kill the contest? How many spoils did he effect? Smothers? Dawson does several of these things per game. Silvagni's OK one on one. That's about it. The love he gets from Freo fans is over the top and absurd.
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The manner in which you posts suggest you have an agenda against Silvagni, trying to be as objective as possible though it's hard to disagree with any of this. Dawson's major weakness is his decision making with the ball in hand, an issue overblown by many Freo fans. As a defender he is far superior to Silvagni IMO, although Silvagni is more capable of having an impact up forward.
 
Ghost Pig said:
Tonight Silvagni played the man, he turned his back on the ball, on a number of occasions, when we were not in possession of the pill.

He failed to guard leading space and instead went to his man who matched him for leg speed and was caught out by his own reaction time.

He tried hard but clearly needs to understand how to guard space so as not to be caught allowing your opponent to execute his strengths.

Quicker than Dawson and questionably better disposal. However Dawson has him for experience, height, composure without the ball, matches him for decision making with ball in hand and he's also seen Reiwoldts doodle. Major >>>>>> at this point in time.

Silvagni clearly needs to do his homework, at this point he is only useful if the other team loop them inside fifty on top of his opponents head and he has time. If he is required to read the play around him, ahead of time, he clearly struggles. He can learn though.
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indeed. Thread is right, because all the people on here saying that Silvagni should have been in before Dawson were wrong. Lyon knows what he is doing IMO. Silvagni will be dropped for the Pies game. Just saying.
 
riteo said:
The manner in which you posts suggest you have an agenda against Silvagni, trying to be as objective as possible though it's hard to disagree with any of this. Dawson's major weakness is his decision making with the ball in hand, an issue overblown by many Freo fans. As a defender he is far superior to Silvagni IMO, although Silvagni is more capable of having an impact up forward.
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No agenda. Talent wise I think they're about the same, but Silvagni has better attributes in strength, while Dawson is taller and faster. The lack of height and speed means Silvagni has to stay within his limitations, meaning he can't leave his man to impact contests. That means he plays one on one, which often results in the opposition not using his opponent. Does that make him a better defender? From the outside, that makes Silvagni look like one. But if he's too concerned with his opponent and not influencing the play when he has the ability to, then he is hardly playing as well as Dawson can.
 

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He was absolutely terrible last night, still not writing him off. Think there is room for all three in the backline with Silvagni going to the third tall.
He is an absolute liability against a forward with any pace though, even Hille had a field day on him in the last quarter.
Definitely his worst game for the club
 
Something that was obvious yesterday, is that Essendon have a gameplan which involves them kicking to the pockets, their forwards know, they'll be there, and the midfielders know to kick there.

By the time the 4th quarter came around McPharlin knew it and would run there instinctively. They also try and isolate their biggest mismatch out in the pocket by himself. Often that matchup was Hurley/Silvagni or Crameri/Silvagni and occasionally Johnson. Read into that what you will.
 
Dawson is more a Darren Glass type player. Leaves his man, guards space and reads the ball well to drop back and plug holes. Very good on the rebound.

Silvagni is more an old fashioned man-on-man defender who takes a great mark and spoils from behind. His disposal let him down last night though and the whole backline didn't function well. Luck McPharlin was knocked out half way through the first quarter but still played on, although he wasn't playing at full capacity.

For Hurley to kick 6 on either of McPharlin or Silvagni is very strange.
 
Clay Davis said:
Rubbish. He is feted for things that Dawson does just as often and forgiven for things than Dawson is crucified for.

How often did Silvagni leave his man to kill the contest? How many spoils did he effect? Smothers? Dawson does several of these things per game. Silvagni's OK one on one. That's about it. The love he gets from Freo fans is over the top and absurd.
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What's it to you what other people on this board think? Just like you they are allowed their opinions on players, and you've certainly made your point clear about Silvagni, just not sure why you seem to take such joy in rubbishing a player:rolleyes:
 
Grover in for SNOS next week I think, I would like to see him not be made the scapegoat. Agree with you esti, this thread is poor, a roast with the title of a toast. Typical sniping that I've come to expect from a breed of fans that boo their own.
 
Nickos66 said:
His job's only going to get harder next week when he matches up on Cloke, unless Jack Anthony gets the call up. :confused:
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McPharlin can take Cloke. Anthony had the better of Dawes in that debacle of a game at Subi last year, mind you thats not hard as Dawes hasn't played well for 12 months
 

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