Mega Thread Dean Robinson's Interview [full interview in OP]

[LanceRomance]

The lawyers are being suited up as we speak.

just because lawyers are being suited up doesn't mean that there will be a glorious victory in the courtroom

 

[Tigerbob]

The lawyers are being suited up as we speak.

LOL

Good luck.

 

[blackcat]

Isnt it so predictable to see Bomber fans making light of Dean Robinsons health problems, yet they cry like babies as soon as someone calls David Evans a hypochondriac

This is why we cant wait to see you Bomber morons fall into a state of severe depression when Hird is gone and your club is finished.

its going to be so sweet.

all have the option to opt out.

 

[Jimthegreat]

The lawyers are being suited up as we speak.

The same testimony would've gone to ASADA when the Weapon was interviewed.

 

[Chameleon75]

Also someone who will never work in their field again.

Has to broaden his horizons. Ben Johnson's trainer went on to mentor Maradona after serving his suspension. In international sports a doping scandal isn't always a black mark.

 

[LanceRomance]

all have the option to black-opt out.

fixed

I wonder what Stevie Dank thinks about this? If the weapon is true and dank felt like backing him up, he could drop a giant turd on the club.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

I have always thought it strange to expect much from the Weapon.

If he admits to Essendon using banned peptides he is incriminating himself as an official in a role that had the responsibility of overseeing their strength and conditioning.
That in itself could lead to infractions form ASADA.

My guess is he will say he thought it was all above board and Hird knew all about it. They were then misled by Dank and to a certain extent ASADA (no mention of S0) and so continued on with their program thinking all was ok. Its not until much later they worked out that AOD was S0.
So in their eyes they were not culpable.
But Hird knew all about the program and endorsed it.
Somehow he was made the scapegoat in all of this and copped a club suspension unfairly.


Something along those lines.........

 

[blackcat]

fixed

i raise you

blackcat-opt-out

 

[blackcat]

can someone explain this black ops thing to me?

like first rule of Fight Club

 

[Tiger08]

I don't know who to believe but I am highly suspicious of the exotic supplement program that went on at Essendon last year.

What's this about an exotic supplement program? Did I miss something?

 

[LanceRomance]

can someone explain this black ops thing to me?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...ms-on-drugs-saga/story-fni0fit3-1226688312161

James Hird denies fresh claims on drugs saga

AMES Hird faces fresh allegations over the drugs saga, this time that he agreed the 2012 supplements program was to be a "black ops'' operation.

 

[Bombfire]

can someone explain this black ops thing to me?

Don't ask James Hird to explain it- a bit like Pauline Hanson and xenophobia. "Please explain."

 

[Bombfire]

The same testimony would've gone to ASADA when the Weapon was interviewed.

What, before he resigned?

 

[FuManchu]

I have always thought it strange to expect much from the Weapon.

If he admits to Essendon using banned peptides he is incriminating himself as an official in a role that had the responsibility of overseeing their strength and conditioning.
That in itself could lead to infractions form ASADA.

My guess is he will say he thought it was all above board and Hird knew all about it. They were then misled by Dank and to a certain extent ASADA (no mention of S0) and so continued on with their program thinking all was ok. Its not until much later they worked out that AOD was S0.
So in their eyes they were not culpable.
But Hird knew all about the program and endorsed it.
Somehow he was made the scapegoat in all of this and copped a club suspension unfairly.


Something along those lines.........

I drew a different inference from the Black Ops quote.

Robinson is throwing the intent of the program fairly back on Hird and Corcoran. Danks was operating under the instruction to be secretive and by inference; deceptive. I guess we need to hear what Robinson said prior to the black ops comment. Im assuming it was along the lines of using contentious substances

 

[jim boy]

As always, ask yourself what his motive is.

He wont help himself for another gig, so this is basically for the cash.

Means the incentive is to focus on as much dirt as possible, because C7 would not have agreed to $100k without knowing what they are getting.

You've got it all wrong, the incentive is to focus on as a little dirt as possible. The important motivation here isn't with The Weapon, it's with Channel 7. If Essendon get shafted, then the AFL product next year, or even this year during the finals, is devalued, that means lower ratings and less revenue. It's in Channel 7's interest to make this go away. Hence the hard hitting journalist that is Luke Darcy.

 

[Linda Lovelace]

You do realize he's making that up. Don't you?

Haha. Another round of 'believe everything he says, except the parts I don't like.' Of course he could be lying, but you don't know that.

So when he says nice things about Jobe, will that be a lie too?

Same thing happened when Dank did his interview. Essendon fans I spoke to believed him when he said he didn't use PEDs on players, but called him a liar when he said the coaches did. And their excuse when I talked to them? 'Dank is untrustworthy.' When challenged that if he is untrustworthy, how can you believe him about the part you want to believe, I received blank stares. It was literally impossible to highlight to these people that if they thought he was untrustworthy, they couldn't believe anything he says.

Now I predict we will see threads full of 'black ops' references in an attempt to discredit Robinson because it sounds absurd. They will conveniently forget that the context is severely lacking based on that snippet, and he is referring to Dank's words in reference to something put to him, not his.

Sounds a bit too convenient to me personally. But at this point we only have public statements from Dank and Robinson, Hird hasn't even denied their allegations.

A common myth is that Hird has publically denied using Hexarelin, for example, which is untrue. All he said was that Dank's allegations were 'horrifying' and an attempt to 'ruin his reputation.' He never said they were false publically, he had a PR person say something about 'amino acids' but Hexarelin is an amino acid.

So without even hearing Hird's side of the story, people are calling them liars? Surely we at least have to hear his version of events before we say that?

 

[Collingwood 4 eternity]

Black Ops Windy Hill

 

[Blueboys11]

Black Ops

Brilliant

Can't wait to hear the rest of this interview!!

 

[Bombfire]

Haha. Another round of 'believe everything he says, except the parts I don't like.' Of course he could be lying, but you don't know that.

So when he says nice things about Jobe, will that be a lie too?

Same thing happened when Dank did his interview. Essendon fans I spoke to believed him when he said he didn't use PEDs on players, but called him a liar when he said the coaches did. And their excuse when I talked to them? 'Dank is untrustworthy.' When challenged that if he is untrustworthy, how can you believe him about the part you want to believe, I received blank stares. It was literally impossible to highlight to these people that if they thought he was untrustworthy, they couldn't believe anything he says.

Now I predict we will see threads full of 'black ops' references in an attempt to discredit Robinson because it sounds absurd. They will conveniently forget that the context is severely lacking based on that snippet, and he is referring to Dank's words in reference to something put to him, not his.

Sounds a bit too convenient to me personally. But at this point we only have public statements from Dank and Robinson, Hird hasn't even denied their allegations.

A common myth is that Hird has publically denied using Hexarelin, for example, which is untrue. All he said was that Dank's allegations were 'horrifying' and an attempt to 'ruin his reputation.'

So without even hearing Hird's side of the story, people are calling them liars? Surely we at least have to hear his version of events before we say that?

Run along, it was a reciprocal take down. You've got yourself all flustered.

 

[blackcat]

windy hill had a thing to learn about risk management and black ops. a 36 player playing list too unwieldy when there is always a bubble that is transient and looking for other options.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

All we need now is the secret handshake and this saga has covered all bases.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

People shouldn't be pre judging Robinson or Hird until both have spoken expansively and the report is known and shows all the facts.

Most people predictably just hearing what they want to, on both sides.

Well aware that Hird still won't have a chance to tell his whole story for some time.

Also it's pretty low to pot the Weapon if he got emotional or succumbed to stress - has been under a hell of a lot of pressure in his own right. Blokes got a young family himself I beleive and his future his not exactly certain.

 

[Bombfire]

windy hill had a thing to learn about risk management and black ops. a 36 player playing list too unwieldy when there is always a bubble that is transient and looking for other options.

Can't wait for the Dank corroboration of The Weapon re Black Ops- that will be hilarious.

 

[Willo_]

The lawyers are being suited up as we speak.

But I thought Sir James said that this all simply has to end.... or is that only if they get a favourable outcome and if they don't then they are happy to drag it on and on through the courts

 

[PieBeast]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...ms-on-drugs-saga/story-fni0fit3-1226688312161

James Hird denies fresh claims on drugs saga

The Bombers hit back at the claims tonight, saying: "As has previously been stated, James Hird emphasised that the supplements program run by Stephen Dank and Dean Robinson must be legal according to WADA and the AFL, must be approved by the club doctor, must be given with the consent of the player and must not harm the player,'' the Bombers said.

Isn't it hilarious that the three conditions apparently imposed on the program by Hird haven't been adhered to yet they bring this up as their defense

We know WADA never gave them a permission to use AOD.

We know Dr Reid didn't approve of all the substances otherwise they wouldn't need to shop for doctors.

We also know some substances haven't been approved for human consumption and there's bugger all data on the effect these substances will have if injected for a reasonable period of time in high doses.

No wonder they're praying for the positive outcome if thats all they have.