Death penalty

windyhill · Oct 23, 2002

Gotta be on for this sniper in the U.S. Step forward all tree huggers who think he shouldn`t be zapped.

Brad Goodman · Oct 23, 2002

If they ever get him he's g-a-w-n.

redback · Oct 23, 2002

Wont have to worry about the death penalty or a lengthy trial he will be shot dead resisting arrest wont have a chance to surrender.

Harry Bosch · Oct 23, 2002

This guy has to be ex military/intelligence to last this long
Hard to believe your average everyday whacko would last this long.

Bee · Oct 23, 2002

Okay Windyhill, you talk about 'tree huggers', (a title which I have been accused of before), forget about events in the USA. Do you think capital punishment should be introduced in Australia?

windyhill · Oct 23, 2002

Originally posted by Bee
Okay Windyhill, you talk about 'tree huggers', (a title which I have been accused of before), forget about events in the USA. Do you think capital punishment should be introduced in Australia?

Christ yes, there ae murders and then there are murders, step forward milat/bryant, it would be my absolute pleasure.

Bee · Oct 23, 2002

Originally posted by windyhill

Christ yes, there ae murders and then there are murders, step forward milat/bryant, it would be my absolute pleasure.

Yes I agree! The Anita Cobby killers, the Janine Balding killers and any others that commit horrific murders.
As long as it can be proved beyond all doubt in court that those on trial are guilty. Yes! Bring back the death penalty.

And you thought I was a 'tree hugger', right?

dr nick · Oct 23, 2002

Originally posted by Bee

Yes I agree! The Anita Cobby killers, the Janine Balding killers and any others that commit horrific murders.
As long as it can be proved beyond all doubt in court that those on trial are guilty. Yes! Bring back the death penalty.

And you thought I was a 'tree hugger', right?

i still do... i'd like to see how far you'd be willing to push "beyond all doubt" my guess is we'd never get a conviction.

Slax · Oct 23, 2002

Look at what happens when you train a guy to kill in the military and he flips.

Bee · Oct 23, 2002

Originally posted by nicko18

i still do... i'd like to see how far you'd be willing to push "beyond all doubt" my guess is we'd never get a conviction.

'beyond all doubt' means there is absolute proof that the person or persons on trial are guilty. The Anita Cobby killers were guilty beyond all doubt, one of them even confessed to being involved.
Martin Bryant was guilty too. Amateur (tourist) video evidence confirms it.

dr nick · Oct 23, 2002

Originally posted by Bee

'beyond all doubt' means there is absolute proof that the person or persons on trial are guilty. The Anita Cobby killers were guilty beyond all doubt, one of them even confessed to being involved.
Martin Bryant was guilty too. Amateur (tourist) video evidence confirms it.

ahh good, glad to hear you will take video evidence, not the usual "it could have been someone who looked like me" tripe

and about the anita cobby killers... would they have confessed if capital punishment was on the cards??

dancingdoggie17 · Oct 23, 2002

If you kill somene for something they did that doesn't punish them. It punishes family and friends. They escape.

I reckon lock em up for years, make em feel like the lowest form of life. That really punishes them, unlike killing them.

And what if a jury gets it wrong? Then it's a bit late!

Bee · Oct 23, 2002

Originally posted by nicko18

ahh good, glad to hear you will take video evidence, not the usual "it could have been someone who looked like me" tripe

Okay for a start. The Port Arthur Massacre ( Martin Bryant) occupies my mind because I was down in Hobart when it happened. The memories of helicopters flying overhead and news bulletins are still vivid.

Originally posted by nicko18

and about the anita cobby killers... would they have confessed if capital punishment was on the cards??

Not sure. Maybe he would have, maybe not. He was certainly scared enough to do it. The others who did not plead guilty were sentenced to 'never to be released'.

jim boy · Oct 23, 2002

Originally posted by windyhill
Gotta be on for this sniper in the U.S. Step forward all tree huggers who think he shouldn`t be zapped.

1/. Why do you care?
2/. Why 'tree huggers', has he been cutting down trees?

JUBJUB · Oct 23, 2002

Originally posted by redback
Wont have to worry about the death penalty or a lengthy trial he will be shot dead resisting arrest wont have a chance to surrender.

or shoot himself if he's about to be caught.

you_idiot · Oct 23, 2002

Re: Re: Death penalty

Originally posted by Jim Boy
2/. Why 'tree huggers', has he been cutting down trees?

I can answer #2 for you, Jim.

The term "tree huggers" is a euphemism for those who lie quite a bit far to the left on the socio-political spectrum, as it exists and originates in the USA.

My mother has been accused of being one, and branded as "guilty as charged" as well, she says. I've even told her that she is such a bleeding-heart liberal, she has to "get an IV and a catheter in order to vote". And she does not deny that, either.

As for the original question, as it pertains to the Beltway sniper, yes, the guy should fry like a chicken when he's caught. At least in theory...

Cheers,
William

Dry Rot · Oct 23, 2002

While this doesn't much change the nature of the crimes, most posters seem to be assuming the sniper is a local nutter.

I wonder if he is a coldly sane Al Qaeda marksman?

Portia · Oct 23, 2002

If its an Al Qaeda marksman, and not a local ex-military/police/secret service guy, I'll eat my hat.

Dry Rot · Oct 23, 2002

Originally posted by Porthos
If its an Al Qaeda marksman, and not a local ex-military/police/secret service guy, I'll eat my hat.

Agreed, most likely scenario is a local nutter.

Apparently there are sniper courses offered to enthusiastic citizens like you and me.

Macca19 · Oct 23, 2002

Originally posted by windyhill
Gotta be on for this sniper in the U.S. Step forward all tree huggers who think he shouldn`t be zapped.

I dont want him to get the death penalty if he ever gets caught. Im no tree hugger tho, and im not a person who thinks its wrong either.

But seriously.....why give him the death penalty? Its getting him off to easy.

If you want a real punishment. Stick the guy in jail for the rest of his life, in solitary confinement, with no possible way for him to hang himself or kill himself. Get three big guys to beat the crap out of him three times a week. Feed him nothing but bread and water for the rest of his life.

THAT is a punishment. Not this pussy death penalty crap where he gest off scot free. Make him suffer for years.

If i was to go on a mad shooting spree i know what id be fearing more - id rather get the death penalty than be put in jail for 60 years.

bunsen burner · Oct 23, 2002

I'm a million miles away from being a tree hugger (I don't often have sympathy for anyone), but I don't believe in capital punishment for 3 reasons:

1) People do get wrongly convicted,
2) No one should be officially 'allowed' to kill another human,
3) Two wrongs don't make a right.

Besides, like Macca said, I would rather these people spend the rest of their lives being punished in jail - prolong the punishment. Particulalry if they are sex offenders like the Cobby murderers.

hourn · Oct 23, 2002

Originally posted by bunsen burner
I'm a million miles away from being a tree hugger (I don't often have sympathy for anyone), but I don't believe in capital punishment for 3 reasons:

1) People do get wrongly convicted,
2) No one should be officially 'allowed' to kill another human,
3) Two wrongs don't make a right.

Besides, like Macca said, I would rather these people spend the rest of their lives being punished in jail - prolong the punishment. Particulalry if they are sex offenders like the Cobby murderers.

yes i agree with all of those 3 things

DaveW · Oct 23, 2002

Re: Re: Death penalty

Originally posted by Macca19

I dont want him to get the death penalty if he ever gets caught. Im no tree hugger tho, and im not a person who thinks its wrong either.

But seriously.....why give him the death penalty? Its getting him off to easy.

If you want a real punishment. Stick the guy in jail for the rest of his life, in solitary confinement, with no possible way for him to hang himself or kill himself. Get three big guys to beat the crap out of him three times a week. Feed him nothing but bread and water for the rest of his life.

THAT is a punishment. Not this pussy death penalty crap where he gest off scot free. Make him suffer for years.

If i was to go on a mad shooting spree i know what id be fearing more - id rather get the death penalty than be put in jail for 60 years.

Couldn't agree more, I'd be choosing death over that. Especially since his jail mates could probably do worse things than beat the crap out of him.

daddy_4_eyes · Oct 23, 2002

Re: Re: Death penalty

Originally posted by Macca19

I dont want him to get the death penalty if he ever gets caught. Im no tree hugger tho, and im not a person who thinks its wrong either.

But seriously.....why give him the death penalty? Its getting him off to easy.

If you want a real punishment. Stick the guy in jail for the rest of his life, in solitary confinement, with no possible way for him to hang himself or kill himself. Get three big guys to beat the crap out of him three times a week. Feed him nothing but bread and water for the rest of his life.

THAT is a punishment. Not this pussy death penalty crap where he gest off scot free. Make him suffer for years.

If i was to go on a mad shooting spree i know what id be fearing more - id rather get the death penalty than be put in jail for 60 years.

But thats the beauty of the death penalty in the USA, you usually sit a good 15-20yrs in jail before you get fried. Can you imagine sitting in jail for 20yrs counting down to your final day inbetween beatings and "pleasure" showers?

BillyGoatTeaser · Oct 23, 2002

Originally posted by windyhill
Gotta be on for this sniper in the U.S. Step forward all tree huggers who think he shouldn`t be zapped.

It's got nothing to do with being a "tree-hugger".
It is an unworkable form of punishment - unless you are willing to sacrifice innocent lives (however few).

Lindy Chamberlain would be dead now if we had capital punishment.

Seeing as it was mainly public opinion that got her sent to jail, should those members of the public whose opinions got her there be tried as murderers IF she had been "zapped"???

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