Opinion Decision making Vs Disposal efficiency

[domin8tors]

We all know that efficiency can be blurry. eg) those who handball more " should have " better disposal compared those we have kick kicks out of congestion.

my simple example below which begs the question what is more important ?
1) player looks up and there is a 2 vs 1 contest, kicks low and hard and direct but the kick gets chopped off in the 2 vs 1.
2) same forward setup but the player kicks a shank to the free player. Ends up finding the target anyway given that he was free.

Pendles i would say is both which is what makes him elite

many say that Adams is poor disposal however i would argue that he actually makes poor decisions at times and tries to kick across the field when he shouldn't.

 

[TradeDraft]

I say descion making as you could hit a target but they could have someone right on them and get tackled straight away or get put in a worse position then the person who Disposed of it

 

[Baird]

I have no idea what the poll is asking

 

[Bard]

Decision making of course lol, good disposal efficiency relies upon it... Not even really worthy of debating IMO!

 

[THATSGOLD]

Biggest problem for me is the fact we are still questioning it in the pre season 2015. Something that hasn't been errectfied but we were all told would be.

 

[DrDavoren]

I confess I am a Bucks fan, but can't believe given how he was elite at both that none seems to be filtering through to our players.

 

[Ketchup]

They are both dependent variables among each other. Good decisions will lead to good efficiency, good efficiency will make bad decisions look good. Really is a null question.

 

[Maggie5]

Def, decision making and panicking.
Not sure how you can coach a player how to make a good decision. For mine it is up to the player, look up field, around you, lower eyes, kick or handball. End.
Saw Brown, panic a couple of times and just bombed it, straight to the opposition and back it came.

 

[TradeDraft]

I confess I am a Bucks fan, but can't believe given how he was elite at both that none seems to be filtering through to our players.

Sadly Talent can’t be handed over like that

 

[Manic Magpie]

Sadly Talent can’t be handed over like that

However it can be recruited. Good decision making and disposal skills should be required of all potential recruits.

 

[TradeDraft]

However it can be recruited. Good decision making and disposal skills should be required of all potential recruits.

I agree but I think Hine has more say that Bucks.

Remember Listening to the SEN coverage of the Draft.

After we Picked Goodyear, Brett Anderson said he was Surprised we went with Goodyear with Bucks being a Massive Fan of Cavka

 

[DrDavoren]

Sadly Talent can’t be handed over like that

It can be preached though (decision making) and practised (skill), although the best players have instinct and uncanny ability. maybe for another thread though...

 

[pieanitis]

I agree but I think Hine has more say that Bucks.

Remember Listening to the SEN coverage of the Draft.

After we Picked Goodyear, Brett Anderson said he was Surprised we went with Goodyear with Bucks being a Massive Fan of Cavka

I've mentioned a couple of times that i saw mainly jets and Cannons games last year, and despite the perception of Goodyear's kicking skills (which are nowhere near as bad as some people make it out to be), Goodyear is overall a much better player than Cavka. For the record about 8 or 9 AFL sides after Goodyear's pick at 48 agreed that it wasn't worth picking up Cavka!

 

[Kirby]

I'm glad to see everyone ignored the obvious troll post by the usual suspect earlier.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Turnover Adams has neither

 

[4tone]

Def, decision making and panicking.
Not sure how you can coach a player how to make a good decision. For mine it is up to the player, look up field, around you, lower eyes, kick or handball. End.
Saw Brown, panic a couple of times and just bombed it, straight to the opposition and back it came.

Big Deal beams did this religiously about half the time he had the ball, no one seemed to notice or care. for that matter most AFL players do it, to get out of a jam. David King seems to remind us all that the this will be the storey of the pies in 15, Fact is when the side is constantly changing due to injury players, players are called up from the VFL, or seniors coming back from injury with no touch or form, the disposal efficiency stats can seem that, the team is full of butchers. Just would love to see the team settled with a good mix of experience and youth with a balanced mix of player's in positions that require flexibility. Only then we will see Bucks shine and the club on top where we belong. I don't read to much into the poor disposal thing lets just wait and see 2015 unfold without the media putting fear into us dreading the season ahead. FFS David King would be winning lotto every week if he could see the future. 2015, I feel will see the haters and the sceptic's rethinking about the shit they come with, about the pies.

 

[swiftdog]

From a skill classification point of view, decision making is more important. Kicking during play is an "open skill" given the unpredictability of the environment of an AFL match (i.e. the position of players on the field will always be different every time a player has a kick and players will be moving around). Given that, the ability to quickly make a decision during the action is more important (not to completely dismiss the importance of having a good technique though) than being able to execute with a sound technique. On the flipside, having a set shot for goal is a "closed skill" in that it isn't performed in an unpredictable environment for the most part (a swirling breeze for example makes the environment more unpredictable). The player can make all his decisions (i.e. where to aim) before having to execute his kick, meaning that kicking technique becomes more important than decision making.

 

[ksardog]

Looking at our current best 22, how many elite kicks do u think we have?
I say pendles, fasolo and maybe broomhead coming through. I think reids field kicking hasnt been the same after all the quad injuries he had.

So that says it all really. Thats why we need a gameplan that doesnt expose this obvious defiency. Thats where decision making comes into it, us wanting to use short precise kicks to break up opposition simply doesnt suit our current list.

 

[Yezeha]

Good decision-making results in high disposal efficiency.

Simples.

 

[speedytiger]

Hard to tell if they've made the right decision when they shank it, we'll never know what the intention was!

 

[jjsmitty8]

I think the final 4 minutes of the most recent NAB challenge game against Carlton is a good case study.

4 minutes to go, Levi Greenwood going inside 50 kicks straight to an opponent.

3 minutes to go, De Goey on the wing looks in board and gets intercepted.

2 minutes to go, Langdon streaming down the field with no options on downfield. Ends up kicking it with no conviction straight an opponent.

Is this a result of poor disposal efficiency or poor decision making? I've gone with decision making. Especially the Langdon situation.

 

[mike123]

I think the final 4 minutes of the most recent NAB challenge game against Carlton is a good case study.

4 minutes to go, Levi Greenwood going inside 50 kicks straight to an opponent.

3 minutes to go, De Goey on the wing looks in board and gets intercepted.

2 minutes to go, Langdon streaming down the field with no options on downfield. Ends up kicking it with no conviction straight an opponent.

Is this a result of poor disposal efficiency or poor decision making? I've gone with decision making. Especially the Langdon situation.

Langdon for mine was poor decision. Greenwood poor execution. De Goey for mine was the right option we needed to take the risk to get in an attacking position but it didn't pay off, not sure which one it qualifies for.

 

[BEEG]

We are just a a terrible kicking team as we continue to recruit good kicks we will get better but before two years ago we just recruited shocking kicks

 

[HeathySure]

FFS David King would be winning lotto every week if he could see the future. 2015, I feel will see the haters and the sceptic's rethinking about the shit they come with, about the pies.

uh oh, we might be in trouble.. he saw the future when the rising star was picked!

 

[Trickster]

FFS David King would be winning lotto every week if he could see the future.

Kingy only bets on a sure thing doesn't he