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Please help your Pies mods by not quoting and replying to trolls, just use the report button and it will make cleaning up and removing them much easier.
Thanks.
 
sideswipe said:
You asked a question about the appropriate punishment for an inconsequential fight. Then you move on to something else. Good luck with your agenda.


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Nah, no agenda … I’m not in either the pro or anti JDG camp (I trust the club will determine his fate, and whatever it is will probably be for the best). I can and do play devils advocate on both sides, particularly if I think some folks are being unreasonable.

FWIW I thought your point was fair about not every punch on should clog up the courts. I wasn’t challenging that.

But given what’s transpired, I do reckon JDG should have been ejected from the nightclub.
 

JB1975 said:
Piss off.
It has taken over 250 pages of ethical postulation and legal disputation, but I think I'm finally beginning to understand the main lines of this absorbing argument.
This thing is really starting to heat up.
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We agree - it's just getting interesting

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76woodenspooners said:
But given what’s transpired, I do reckon JDG should have been ejected from the nightclub.
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After discussing the legalities, someone took it to social etiquette.
Let’s not go down the night club shoulda, coulda rabbit hole too please.
 

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ClaytonM said:
Antisocial football is different to fighting in

Have you seen the footage? How do you know it contradicts what the victim alleges?
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True, lots of posts discussing video evidence.

Has it been released as I wouldn't mind seeing it for myself.

The only so called 'factual' information about the video is what JDG's lawyer said about it and of course I believe that. Not!

Here is clarification of misdemeanor assault law in New York.

What is Misdemeanor Assault?​

A person commits misdemeanor assault by improperly causing someone else to suffer a "physical injury." The injury must have been caused either intentionally or recklessly. Misdemeanor assault can also occur if a person negligently (carelessly) injures someone else by using a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument.
(N.Y. Penal Law § 120.00).

Anyway, the episode is closed now, pleaded guilty, has to attend two courses, the only thing I want to see now is him playing out of his skin in round 1 and the rest of the year.

What happens at the end of the year regarding his contract is up to him and the club.
 
Maggie5 said:
True, lots of posts discussing video evidence.

Has it been released as I wouldn't mind seeing it for myself.

The only so called 'factual' information about the video is what JDG's lawyer said about it and of course I believe that. Not!

Here is clarification of misdemeanor assault law in New York.

What is Misdemeanor Assault?​

A person commits misdemeanor assault by improperly causing someone else to suffer a "physical injury." The injury must have been caused either intentionally or recklessly. Misdemeanor assault can also occur if a person negligently (carelessly) injures someone else by using a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument.
(N.Y. Penal Law § 120.00).

Anyway, the episode is closed now, pleaded guilty, has to attend two courses, the only thing I want to see now is him playing out of his skin in round 1 and the rest of the year.

What happens at the end of the year regarding his contract is up to him and the club.
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You know that isn’t the offence that was admitted?


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sideswipe said:
You know that isn’t the offence that was admitted?


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"one count of harassment in the second degree"

Under our law, a person is guilty of Harassment in the. Second Degree when, with intent to harass, annoy or alarm. another person, he or she. Select appropriate alternative: strikes, shoves, kicks or otherwise subjects such other person to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same

Have you seen the video?
 
Maggie5 said:
"one count of harassment in the second degree"

Under our law, a person is guilty of Harassment in the. Second Degree when, with intent to harass, annoy or alarm. another person, he or she. Select appropriate alternative: strikes, shoves, kicks or otherwise subjects such other person to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same

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No. My point was that misdemeanour assault, which you quoted, was not what was admitted. Harassment is a far less serious charge. A violation, not a misdemeanour.




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sideswipe said:
No. My point was that misdemeanour assault, which you quoted, was not what was admitted. Harassment is a far less serious charge. A violation, not a misdemeanour.




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It is still a charge/offence however anyone on here wants to dress it up.

My question remains, "have you seen the video?"
 

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Maggie5 said:
True, lots of posts discussing video evidence.

Has it been released as I wouldn't mind seeing it for myself.

The only so called 'factual' information about the video is what JDG's lawyer said about it and of course I believe that. Not!

Here is clarification of misdemeanor assault law in New York.

What is Misdemeanor Assault?​

A person commits misdemeanor assault by improperly causing someone else to suffer a "physical injury." The injury must have been caused either intentionally or recklessly. Misdemeanor assault can also occur if a person negligently (carelessly) injures someone else by using a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument.
(N.Y. Penal Law § 120.00).

Anyway, the episode is closed now, pleaded guilty, has to attend two courses, the only thing I want to see now is him playing out of his skin in round 1 and the rest of the year.

What happens at the end of the year regarding his contract is up to him and the club.
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The District Attorney / prosecutor after obtaining “video surveillance footage” of the alleged incident, sought to downgrade the charges from assault and harassment to just a single count of harassment in the second degree.

None of us have watched the video, but if the prosecutor downgrades the charges after viewing it, I think it's reasonable to assume the events did not check out as claimed by the "victims".
 
I can't believe what people are posting. They all seem to be experts who know exactly what happened that night. They all must be eye witnesses.
How can you argue that this may be the case or that may be the case. The only thing that can be argued is the facts. And JDG pleaded guilty to a minor offence. FACT. Not a hanging offence.
Welcome back JDG.
 
Apex36 said:
Nonsense.
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It may not be the way the American system works (although I'd suggest that it is) - it's clearly my experience based on the Australian legal system - I've had first hand experience in 7 cases, most represented by a Solicitor and a Barrister with joint costs in the range of $1M (civil case) - I can assure you that:
  • Judges read very little of the pre-trial documentation, e.g., affidavits prior to a case being heard
  • Barrister's are unlikely to read the pre-trial documentation unless you pay them reading time
  • Judges are very reluctant to censure people for lying - one of my cases - that established a legal precedent - the judgement stated that the judge did not believe some of evidence that the other party provided - I got costs, but the court didn't act on the lies
  • Several orders by consent were breached by the other party and the court did nothing about it

I can only base my assessment of the courts based on my experience and research that I've conducted, it's clear to me that courts are far more interested in protecting the guilty than they are the innocent - possibly the best example of this is the amount of violence against women that is caused by offenders who repeatedly breach intervention orders with impunity.
 
VinnieB said:
The District Attorney / prosecutor after obtaining “video surveillance footage” of the alleged incident, sought to downgrade the charges from assault and harassment to just a single count of harassment in the second degree.
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Link? Haven't seen that anywhere.
 
76woodenspooners said:
He (and his buddy) probably should have been politely told by the nightclub bouncers that it was time to call it a night and escorted out. I know they are alleging that their drinks were being stolen, but that’s not an excuse to strike someone.

Fair chance JDG is wishing he & dressing gown buddy had been kicked out for their antics. If they had, maybe the cops wouldn’t have been called and the escalation might have been averted.
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Accepting that the basic story we have heard is true, and the courts decisions favour that being the case, you have left out one pretty big part of the story.

The other party was allegedly the person who started the physical encounter. De G and his mate allegedly didnt go looking for retribution for someone stealing drinks.They may have overreacted to being manhandled themselves but I havent seen any claim they struck the bloke cause their drinks were stolen.
 

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domus said:
Does the victim who lied have a court order telling them to undergo 6 months of treatment so they will no longer make false allegations? What happened to perjury as a charge?
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Do you think it would be a better world if accusers were prosecuted every time an accusation didn't have enough proof to satisfy a court of law? That's basically what you are asking for.
 
Gone Critical said:
Accepting that the basic story we have heard is true, and the courts decisions favour that being the case, you have left out one pretty big part of the story.

The other party was allegedly the person who started the physical encounter. De G and his mate allegedly didnt go looking for retribution for someone stealing drinks.They may have overreacted to being manhandled themselves but I havent seen any claim they struck the bloke cause their drinks were stolen.
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Sure, the other party may well have started it, but still, I would have thought that any punter who throws a punch in a nightclub / pub / bar - for any reason - would be moved on by the bouncers as a matter of course. Especially if said punters are intoxicated (as was alleged). Especially at 2:30am. “Time to call it a night fellas, come back again tomorrow.”
 
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