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I thought Dell was really impressive, to be honest.

After his first few games, people were stoked at what he'd done with his important, but few touches; I think he had 4 or 5 goal assists, coming on as sub, in his debut against Carlton?

He's definitely got the smarts to be a 40 goal small forward, in my view, and I don't say that about too many.

At the very least, I think he can be as valuable to us as Blair is to Collingwood, when he is/was played forward.

His obvious flaws, to me, are:

- His kicking, particularly once he's put the burners on
- His decision making: I think he reads the ball really well, and has a natural instinct to set goals up, but I think sometimes he let himself down by choosing a wrong option towards the end of the year
 
ReimDog said:
Can we please rookie that indigenous player, whats his name? the forward pocket who plays like rioli...starts with T?

I really don't rate del'ollio, he reads the crumb well but just isn't quick enough to become a top line forward pocket.
Same with baguley, he gives it his all and is pretty solid but simply not good enough.
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I couldn't agree more about Dell. Everytime I watch him, I'm left thinking that he knows where the ball is going to go, but he isn't quick enough to get to it.
 
Set shots under pressure almost single-handedly cost Dell. If he'd nailed 2 or 3 his stocks would be better.

People are, as always, being way too dramatic. Everything has to be black and white, there are no shades of grey. (Cue gag about the shit jumper).

A promotion would be wrong, but if we've got the room, I'd say give him another year on the RL.
 
Drummer_19 said:
If they do delist Pris, what was the point of signing him last year for a year when they would have known he'd make little to no impact this year?
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Hird made the statement at the start of last year that everyone would get a chance
Kong said:
I thought Dell was really impressive, to be honest.

After his first few games, people were stoked at what he'd done with his important, but few touches; I think he had 4 or 5 goal assists, coming on as sub, in his debut against Carlton?

He's definitely got the smarts to be a 40 goal small forward, in my view, and I don't say that about too many.

At the very least, I think he can be as valuable to us as Blair is to Collingwood, when he is/was played forward.

His obvious flaws, to me, are:

- His kicking, particularly once he's put the burners on
- His decision making: I think he reads the ball really well, and has a natural instinct to set goals up, but I think sometimes he let himself down by choosing a wrong option towards the end of the year
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Burners?? He is the slowest small forward I have ever seen, he doesn't have any "burners" as you like to put it.
 

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mayhem20202 said:
Hird made the statement at the start of last year that everyone would get a chance


Burners?? He is the slowest small forward I have ever seen, he doesn't have any "burners" as you like to put it.
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Out in space, he's got it, he just doesn't use it as often as he could, a bit like Jetta, I guess.

I doubt there's any footage on youtube, but the Port game is exactly what I'm thinking of; he ran around 100 metres at top speed, with great effect, but then shanked the kick, as players often do after busting a gut.
 
Loonerty said:
After watching the TAC Cup Grand Final, I'd love for us to get Tipungwuti.
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If he's the guy that I'm thinking of (pretty sure he is), I saw him in an Oakleigh vs Gippsland game earlier this year.

I remember commenting that while he did a few "freakish" things, he was generally a really average, lazy footy player.
 
And therein lies the difficulty.

You have an amazingly talented footballer who does not have the attitude required to justify the use of an early selection. Does this remind anyone of the story of a much coveted Hawthorn player?

If he fell to the second round, with an additional spot on the list for a crumbing forward type certainly up for grabs, I seriously consider it. For a third round selection it has to be a no-brainer.
 
From Knightmares phantom draft - this guy would be a cult hit should we draft him. There is a Tiwi Bomber connection there too, so we must know all about him.

#101 Western Bulldogs - Anthony Tipungwuti (NT – Def/Fwd)
Height: 174cm, Weight: 78kg, DOB: 22/04/1993
Recruited from: Gippsland Power
Style:
Player comparison:
Range: 50-rookie
Profile: Really special player. Has sensational pace and enjoys taking opposition players on like few others can. Really evasive and can create time easily. Duel sided. Good skill set. Not a tall lad, but gee he can play! Still needs to build an endurance base but that will come. Can play back or forward and has a Leon Davis type feel to his game that makes him exciting regardless of where he plays.
 
List of un-contracted players:

Monfries, Angus
Jetta, Leroy
Davey, Alwyn
Gumbleton, Scott
Hille, David
Lovett-Murry, Nathan
Dyson, Ricky
Reimers, Kyle
Lonergan, Sam
Prismall, Brent
Ross, Michael
Slattery, Henry
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Based on the availability of types of players we have I'd re-sign Jetta, Davey, Gumbleton, Hille, NLM and Dyson.

Davey and Jetta remain the best small forwards we have. NLM is a useful and versatile player. Gumbleton is not going to net us anything significant enough to reflect his potential worth - depth in KPP stocks is required. Dyson has been good this year on any measure and is certainly as good as any of the prospective small defenders / half backs who are begin suggested as targets. We only have two AFL ready ruckmen without Hille.

We could probably do a lot worse than offering rookie spots to Reimers and Ross.

I'm very surprised by the talk that suggests Reimers is still on the list but I suppose it will continue to be about the tease of his considerable skill level. Ross hasn't gotten a good look at this stage but I am more worried about the weakness that is supposed to be his strength: his kicking.

I'd definitely move on Lonergan, Prismall and Slattery.

Lonergan has his limitations. I thought there was an obvious loss of patience by TRB mid year (for whatever reason) which saw Lonergan lose his spot. With Goddard and Heppell to be added to the midfield and Browne, Davis and Kav pushing for minutes Lonergan will be too far down the pecking order to warrant a place in the side.

Prismall is so far from being in the side it isn't funny though almost none of it is his fault. Given that he is 26 it is probably time to just cut our losses.

Slattery is obviously gone so nothing needs to be said.

I certainly won't be happy to see the back of Gus but if it was all packaged as part of a deal for Jacobs it is a deal that is far too good to refuse. It isn't so much that I know anything about Jacobs (other than his high junior rating) it is more that any form of compensation for a player that we will otherwise not receive anything for directly ought to be pursued. Bringing in first round talent is always a good thing.


Of the remaining rookies, Dalgleish is the stand out as far as I am concerned. Frightening speed coupled with what seems to be a very good kick and decent courage is a very nice starting point. He certainly drifts in and out of games at this stage but there really is a hell of a lot to work with. I've been much more impressed with Kenny than I've been with Merrett (for example).

Hunter is as fierce a competitor as I have seen. Thompson described him as a potential diamond in the rough and I've seen nothing that doesn't confirm Thompson's view. Hal certainly needs polishing but he has a solid all round game which tends to be forgotten among all of the crap about his beard. He's been reasonable in the centre square as well as good forward.

Of the mature guys that have played this year Baguley has been the most impressive. He took a while to adapt to the speed of AFL but never looked out of his depth. With the unexpected loss of Monfries as an older, more experience player from the primary list I'd be very tempted to offer a senior contract to Baguley and look at giving him run with roles. I don't expect that he could force his way into the best side but he has more strings to his bow than Lonergan does. He is almost essential if we don't have Lonergan and NLM.

Dell'Olio isn't a bad player, I don't know that he has taken his opportunity though. Was OK for Essendon at times but generally underwhelming like he was at Bendigo. I'd much rather persist with Reimers than promote Dell'Olio because Dell does not appear to have the weapons that would make him particularly dangerous at AFL level.
 
hollywood23 said:
From Knightmares phantom draft - this guy would be a cult hit should we draft him. There is a Tiwi Bomber connection there too, so we must know all about him.

#101 Western Bulldogs - Anthony Tipungwuti (NT – Def/Fwd)
Height: 174cm, Weight: 78kg, DOB: 22/04/1993
Recruited from: Gippsland Power
Style:
Player comparison:
Range: 50-rookie
Profile: Really special player. Has sensational pace and enjoys taking opposition players on like few others can. Really evasive and can create time easily. Duel sided. Good skill set. Not a tall lad, but gee he can play! Still needs to build an endurance base but that will come. Can play back or forward and has a Leon Davis type feel to his game that makes him exciting regardless of where he plays.
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Fair bit more, errr, robust than Neon.
Hoping like hell we get him. We need a bit of that sort of speed & verve; particularly if Dyso &/or Reimers go.
 
Kong said:
I thought Dell was really impressive, to be honest.

After his first few games, people were stoked at what he'd done with his important, but few touches; I think he had 4 or 5 goal assists, coming on as sub, in his debut against Carlton?

He's definitely got the smarts to be a 40 goal small forward, in my view, and I don't say that about too many.

At the very least, I think he can be as valuable to us as Blair is to Collingwood, when he is/was played forward.
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He is nothing like Blair at all. Blair is actually a pretty good midfielder. Dell isn't even an average small forward.
 
IMHO:

Ross, Davey - keep
Dyson, Jetta, Gumbleton - Keep, unless we get a good offer
NLM, Hille - keep unless replaced by better models.
Monfries - Trade or FA
Reimers, Prismall, Lonergan, Slattery (McVeigh) - Gone

Leaves us looking at another 4 (after Goddard & Joe) for the main list. Personally I'd look at any FA midfielders, or even a cheap young guy as a trade.
 

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I can't let that Blair comparison go. I was all into Blair a year ago, with a few here disagreeing with me, and I feel completely vindicated. Look at Blair's 2012:

~20 touches a game, 10.5 contested, 4.4 clearances, 4.7 tackles, and 17 goals for the year.

That's more contested ball than anyone bar Watson for us, more clearances than all bar Watson and Howlett, and more tackles than all bar Watson, Howlett, and Lonergan. More goals than all our mids bar Watson.

Dell'Olio will never be anywhere near as good as Blair.
 
lamaros said:
I can't let that Blair comparison go. I was all into Blair a year ago, with a few here disagreeing with me, and I feel completely vindicated. Look at Blair's 2012:

~20 touches a game, 10.5 contested, 4.4 clearances, 4.7 tackles, and 17 goals for the year.

That's more contested ball than anyone bar Watson for us, more clearances than all bar Watson and Howlett, and more tackles than all bar Watson, Howlett, and Lonergan. More goals than all our mids bar Watson.

Dell'Olio will never be anywhere near as good as Blair.
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Haha, you know it's funny, I read your first post, went to reply, then thought "ah well, agree to disagree", the I scrolled down and saw this.

Read my post again. "As valuable as Blair is to Collingwood, when he's played forward". Which wasn't this year.

So reeling off a bunch of stats (that I never bother to read, at all, ever) from his year as a midfielder is pretty useless.
 
Kong said:
Haha, you know it's funny, I read your first post, went to reply, then thought "ah well, agree to disagree", the I scrolled down and saw this.

Read my post again. "As valuable as Blair is to Collingwood, when he's played forward". Which wasn't this year.

So reeling off a bunch of stats (that I never bother to read, at all, ever) from his year as a midfielder is pretty useless.
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You mean like in 2011? When Blair kicked 26 goals, 18 assists, ~4 tackles a game, ~16 touches, half contested?

Blair is a flat out better player and is more valuable wherever he is on the ground than Dell will ever be.
 
Yes, that's exactly what I'm referring to.

I'm glad that you're so certain, and able to tell how good a player will or won't be, based on a handful of games, several of them as a sub.

Unfortunately I don't have that ability, so I guess you're right.
 
Blair is in a flat-out better side.

Not sure how you can make any sort of meaningful statistical comparison.
 

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Dwight Schrute said:
If I was to compare Dell'olio to someone else it would be Milne, not very quick or an accumulator but has a great goal sense.
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Great goal sense? He struggled to kick them in the VFL, and had only a couple at AFL level?

If Dell'Olio gets promoted I'll eat my hat. If he gets promoted and actually plays a decent AFL season I'll eat a train.
 
lamaros said:
We're comparing Dell when he's 23 to Jetta at 20 now? Is that how much we have to struggle to pump up Dell'Olio?
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It's Dell's first year in the system. He will take time to adjust to the frenetic pace of AFL level, just as it took Leroy 5 years to snag a goal per game. Time in the system is far more relevant.

Here they are at the same age: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...d1=3731&tid2=6&pid2=1736&type=A&fid1=O&fid2=O
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lol, another way of comparing apples to oranges there. Refer back to my previous link rather than me posting it again :rolleyes:

Oh, and Dell is 22. Facts - check them.
 

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