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Factual said:
What happen forgot how to respond so you double dipped on the entry. try again.

Give us all a view on something topical in the valley? Just an opinion on something that matters.

Okay, how about an opinion on this.

The DVFL should advertise in the record for applicants to a new tribunal/investigation committee, pay them to clean up the valley and to introduce a new code that clubs need to abide by. If it cost $10,000 it would be worth the money, give them the power to fine/deregister players, fine clubs for breaches. Video tape dangerous games and conduct ad hoc visits to games, undercover and report to the league. All credibility is lost with the current system, you get what you pay for. Before the knockers come out, better to have tried and failed than never tried, you are bound for failure. Response.
Factual you are preaching to the converted my friend. The DVFL should do a lot of things and I'm sure the clubs have made a hell of a lot of suggestions over time but the sad fact is, that time and time again nothing is being done. :(
 

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To all supporting the D/C-Nth incident
What would reaction have been if you went to shake a blokes hand after the siren and had 5 of your teeth smashed and jaw broken in 2 places, let me guess: Thanks, can i buy you a beer? I doubt it. His reaction to what happened was nowhere near worse than the incident. What I was taught is what happens on the field stays on the field, and you put any little whack you copped in the back of your and remember it for next match and you let that guy know that his square up will come ON THE FIELD.
The police were already at the game on Saturday due to the incident that happened at D/C earlier in the year, and seeing as though the incident took place after the end of the game, it is assault. 3 D/C players end up with stiches and 1 was eye gouged during the game, didn't here any D/C people complaining about that.
I was not suprised to hear that Nth Heid. have requseted extra security at the investigation tonight, their feral followers would never want to leave the sanctuary of the Shelley st oval to show any real support, apart from to pick up a centrelink payment.

Totally agree.

If a bloke gets whacked after the game, and there are serous injuries as a result. You gotta do something.

What was the result of the investigation?.....Insufficient evidence?
 
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Factual you are preaching to the converted my friend. The DVFL should do a lot of things and I'm sure the clubs have made a hell of a lot of suggestions over time but the sad fact is, that time and time again nothing is being done. :(
Fair call, well as concerned observers, why dont we start putting some names up, of capable people who could take positions in the DVFL. People that have spent a long time serving thier club and perhaps could still serve thier club by helping out the big picture.

Brutal fits the bill. The bloke from H'berg runs a successful business he could do it on his ear. Bundoora's got a couple capable, one nearly became the President, ran a successful business. We need a challenger to support, put a ticket together, thier would be interested parties from many clubs, people with reputations, but it would take a 2 year appointment and commitment.

A couple of quality ambassadors to win over the support of the clubs.

Football Victoria would probably support it! Change and a clean up the Comp.
 

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Factual said:
Fair call, well as concerned observers, why dont we start putting some names up, of capable people who could take positions in the DVFL. People that have spent a long time serving thier club and perhaps could still serve thier club by helping out the big picture.

Brutal fits the bill. The bloke from H'berg runs a successful business he could do it on his ear. Bundoora's got a couple capable, one nearly became the President, ran a successful business. We need a challenger to support, put a ticket together, thier would be interested parties from many clubs, people with reputations, but it would take a 2 year appointment and commitment.

A couple of quality ambassadors to win over the support of the clubs.

Football Victoria would probably support it! Change and a clean up the Comp.
Sometimes you do make some sense Factual - how about putting your hand up ? As John Kennedy once said, dont just talk about it, DO !
 
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Sometimes you do make some sense Factual - how about putting your hand up ? As John Kennedy once said, dont just talk about it, DO !
Chunder, timing is everything.

When the time is right I look forward to taking a shot at the title. You will know who I am when that time comes, because the dribble I have spoken about will be introduced. Until then I have to many other things to achieve.

In the checklist of life it ranks lowly at the moment. We are conspiritors to change, revolutionary types. All the talk helps to promote change.

But one day!!!!!
 
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Jewelsandbullet said:
Totally agree.

If a bloke gets whacked after the game, and there are serous injuries as a result. You gotta do something.

What was the result of the investigation?.....Insufficient evidence?
info is that the investigation has put off to next week til the bloke who was assaulted is well enough to attend and can talk properly....

also of note is that north have suspended the player who did it...
 

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Brutal said:
Mate your spot on, we are working hard on the aspect of trying to look after the young guys and the success of our Man o Man night was due to the efforts of guys like Mitch and co in advertising it. In a monetry term, it was our biggest clubroom function turnover since our 99 Premiership celebration. And in all seriousness some people have come on and bagged us for various reasons on this site, some tongue in cheek, others just with a pure dislike for whatever reason but at the end of the day you can come down to Lower, play a game of footy, share a few beers and have a good time without the need to visit the casualty ward at the Austin afterwards, which by the sounds of it is an issue elsewhere.
Brutal,
Glad to hear ur night on sat went well, just wandering u still coming down our way on sunday and if so how about rounding up a few of the lower boys to come down and support our club as we did urs earlier in the year!!!!! For all that are interested Bulleen Cobras having a reverse raffle on sunday with $2000+ up for grabs tickets $25 each which includes food 1/2 drinks and a ticket in the draw. Private message me for more details!!!!
 

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sparksy said:
does north realise they will be branded,by many on this forum,a bunch of cowardly dog pedophile soft c**** for asking for an investigation?
Hey Sparko, I think you are slighty on the wrong track mate.

Yes, Nth may be seen as being hypocritical (Very hypocritical) for calling for further investigation, but if it is necessary, then it must be done.

I hear/ read all you blokes bagging the DVFL for its ****ty administration of the league and I totally agree with you, yet this is only part of a massive problem that DVFL faces.

The other part of the problem , and the most serious part, is the growing number of violent incidents that have occurred over the past few years and which are seemingly ocurring more and more frequently.

To name a few;

  • Ace Cameron from Bundoora, being King hit by a n/park player in a GF. I dont think ace has ever played since.
  • Saul - Belting one of many a bloke, one in particular that required his face to be largely reconstructed and played very little footy ever again
  • Nth V Bunnies all in blue, blokes jumping the fence
  • Rhys Jones - belting a young bloke from Mont
  • Ciavola Bros - belting a bloke smashing his jaw.
  • Several Incidents after tribunal apearences, where people have been physically threatened
  • Mellington being smashed behind play by Nth
  • Nth V Creek - brawl in crowd
  • A Lalor Bloke getting smashed by (Un) Friendly fire - Robbo I think was the victim??, and having his face pounded into many fractures.
  • Nth V Creek 2's game, where a creek player ends up being smashed after the siren.
These are but a few of the types of incidents that have "Black Marked" the DVFL in the eyes of many players and Football observers. There are obviously numerous others that I haven't listed, but you can see that none of the above are "Pretty".

It is these incidents, most of which have been unprovoked or behind the play, that have to be removed from the game first and foremost, for the DVFL to ever again be able to hold its head high.

I agree, that having a stronger, more capable, more efficient and more professional DVFL Admin, would go a long way to helping this cause, but some clubs really need to look within their own backyard first before they just point the finger at the league.

And for the record. I have never lagged a player in my life and have never really had the need to do so. In fact I have even protected a couple. But for those that do get lagged, Well they have usually deserved it because of their cowardly attacks on those who are most vulnerable. And I have no problem with anyone or anyclub who chooses to follow this conviction.

Finally, I am and always have/will be for hard physical Football, and yes, Boys will be Boys - **** happens, and I don't mind if there is a need for a square up or 2, it's just that all this other **** has to be stopped. NOW
 

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Kickass said:
Hey Sparko, I think you are slighty on the wrong track mate.

Yes, Nth may be seen as being hypocritical (Very hypocritical) for calling for further investigation, but if it is necessary, then it must be done.

I hear/ read all you blokes bagging the DVFL for its ****ty administration of the league and I totally agree with you, yet this is only part of a massive problem that DVFL faces.

The other part of the problem , and the most serious part, is the growing number of violent incidents that have occurred over the past few years and which are seemingly ocurring more and more frequently.

To name a few;

  • Ace Cameron from Bundoora, being King hit by a n/park player in a GF. I dont think ace has ever played since.
  • Saul - Belting one of many a bloke, one in particular that required his face to be largely reconstructed and played very little footy ever again
  • Nth V Bunnies all in blue, blokes jumping the fence
  • Rhys Jones - belting a young bloke from Mont
  • Ciavola Bros - belting a bloke smashing his jaw.
  • Several Incidents after tribunal apearences, where people have been physically threatened
  • Mellington being smashed behind play by Nth
  • Nth V Creek - brawl in crowd
  • A Lalor Bloke getting smashed by (Un) Friendly fire - Robbo I think was the victim??, and having his face pounded into many fractures.
  • Nth V Creek 2's game, where a creek player ends up being smashed after the siren.
These are but a few of the types of incidents that have "Black Marked" the DVFL in the eyes of many players and Football observers. There are obviously numerous others that I haven't listed, but you can see that none of the above are "Pretty".

It is these incidents, most of which have been unprovoked or behind the play, that have to be removed from the game first and foremost, for the DVFL to ever again be able to hold its head high.

I agree, that having a stronger, more capable, more efficient and more professional DVFL Admin, would go a long way to helping this cause, but some clubs really need to look within their own backyard first before they just point the finger at the league.

And for the record. I have never lagged a player in my life and have never really had the need to do so. In fact I have even protected a couple. But for those that do get lagged, Well they have usually deserved it because of their cowardly attacks on those who are most vulnerable. And I have no problem with anyone or anyclub who chooses to follow this conviction.

Finally, I am and always have/will be for hard physical Football, and yes, Boys will be Boys - **** happens, and I don't mind if there is a need for a square up or 2, it's just that all this other **** has to be stopped. NOW
Totally agree. Whenever a story of violence in football comes up in the news, it is usually from the Diamond Valley. Very rarely other leagues. The problem is that a lot of the acts go unpunished, so it doesn't really act as much of a deterrent to others. Being tough on a footy field is winning the hard ball, or laying a big tackle, or running back with the flight of the ball. Not punching someone. There are other sports for that, like boxing!!!
 

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matchwinner said:
Totally agree. Whenever a story of violence in football comes up in the news, it is usually from the Diamond Valley. Very rarely other leagues. The problem is that a lot of the acts go unpunished, so it doesn't really act as much of a deterrent to others. Being tough on a footy field is winning the hard ball, or laying a big tackle, or running back with the flight of the ball. Not punching someone. There are other sports for that, like boxing!!!
Thanx for the tip!
 

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touch of class said:
if blokes are going to get on here and condone lagging then they deserve to be bashed dont know which world half you people live in but in my world if your branded a lagger then your a dog and it aint very good to be known as a dog
I totaly agree champ:thumbsu:
 

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Factual said:
Chunder, timing is everything.

When the time is right I look forward to taking a shot at the title. You will know who I am when that time comes, because the dribble I have spoken about will be introduced. Until then I have to many other things to achieve.

In the checklist of life it ranks lowly at the moment. We are conspiritors to change, revolutionary types. All the talk helps to promote change.

But one day!!!!!
Factual, if you are who I think you are, you've had a fair bit of recent success as an administrator in another field. The time for change in this comp is NOW ! Reveal yourself and throw the first hat into the ring as a symbolic gesture to a much needed change ! As much as I've bagged you in the past, you have promoted some healthy and stimulating arguement and seem to have your finger on the pulse. I'm sure you'll have support from your many friends in the comp.
 

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melbdocker said:
i maybe wrong but i am pretty sure it was only 2 blokes in hospital and one was just for stiches i know cause he is one of my best mates coped a good bump and nice split in the chin pulled up fine also lucky he has a mrs cause his massive bandaid on his chin wasnt the best thing as he ripped it up at a few places we went to sat night.

what really annoys me on this thread is ppl bagging juniors fair enough if u have a prob with saul and u feel the need to vent it on here do so he is big enough to look after himself, but giving it to a 13 or 14 y.o. kid is just not on. it really ****es me off on a sun going down to see the kids ran around and have fun and having to listen to some 2's hero still tanked from the night b4 sprayin some kid
Well said about the juniors
 

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stooge01 said:
leroy just a quick question. what station do you work for? If your not a jack its got me f u c k e d. You sound like the biggest fat lagging jack. you probly got 1800 crimestoppers on the speed dial of your phone. Your a lagger and your filth.
Spoke to Cooper about what you said in your thread and he said he knew you
 
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CHUNDER said:
Factual, if you are who I think you are, you've had a fair bit of recent success as an administrator in another field. The time for change in this comp is NOW ! Reveal yourself and throw the first hat into the ring as a symbolic gesture to a much needed change ! As much as I've bagged you in the past, you have promoted some healthy and stimulating arguement and seem to have your finger on the pulse. I'm sure you'll have support from your many friends in the comp.
Running a large succesful newsagency hardly allows me the time, but that won't be forever.

Are you happy with that answer?
 
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Factual your ideas are spot on but its the delegates that must move anything before the regime for anything to happen.I think an extra-ordinary meeting should be held by the Valley for everyone to attend and tell us the direction they are taking this comp.They have to start answering some questions before this comp can move on and if that means stepping down then do it.The future for this comp is now before more teams leave and the reputation is lost for ever.Some people may think otherwise but if Heidelberg leave the credability of the league will drop and unfortunately , us that are left are going to be stuck in **** and maybe wished we should have left too.
It would be good to see Bundoora, Mont, Heid ,Nth and all clubs Band together and push for change to the forty year old ideas that are stale in this league........And get to vote who runs this league.
 

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i guess being only young i always thought dv was the best senior leage going around but hearing all the stuff thats going on lately i can kind of understand why hiedelberg would consider leaving, you play footy to play footy not to fight or be racist although boys will be boys and i do like seeing the odd blew but not some of the cowardly acts that have been hapinening. if hiedelburg leave and it looks as if they should, i really think the leages in alot of strife one of the powerhouse clubs of the leage that draws alot of attension to the leage mainly all good to, i have never really been a fan of the bergers but i can sure see why they are moving...i think that in the next years a few other clubs would consider leaving also if nothing is going to be done about the state of the rules and comitee. im 16 and havent missed a bundoora game in 2 and a half years i hope that something changes because i would like to spend my next saturdays in years to come play/watch bundoora in the dv leage :confused:
 

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sparksy said:
yeah i do like eltham,never more so than when they beat teams like yours,because they dont resort to thug tactics.

he means like eltham as in how can u give **** to people for asking for an investigation when eltham did the exact same thing against lalor
im tipping u understood wat he meant - if u didnt:eek:
 

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he means like eltham as in how can u give **** to people for asking for an investigation when eltham did the exact same thing against lalor
im tipping u understood wat he meant - if u didnt:eek:
im quite impressed you know how to spell ****.Jim,if north asking for an investigation and apparently suspending their own player tells me anything,mayby there is hope that the dvfl can be cleaned up.the league and all clubs needs to remind all players,members and supporters what is acceptable behavior,both on and off the field.i also feel the senior umpires need to take more control of games,when they let the first incedent go the rot sets in,how often do we see the game out of control before they send anyone off.if umpires pay free kicks for undiciplined acts,and keep paying them,sooner or later the coach will take offenders from the game.im pretty sure if you look at my post about north you may find it was some of the previous comments that i think deserve ****.
 

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Factual said:
Brutal,

At least at Lower you have managed to gain the support of your young people, a point your club has missed for many years, looking at the pictures of your man o man night on the net they are behind the club because the club is behind them for a change.

Footy Clubs need to work harder than ever to involve young people now you have seen the upside on the field of what those young guys can do, I wonder if you can maintain it over 3 - 4 years to become a strong club again.

Some of your blokes on the net are a laugh, Matchwinner and MitchFC.

Love thier footy, love a good time and love thier mates.

Isn't that what local footy clubs are about? And yes we all love to win.

By the way I don't support Lower, just love watching guys have a fair dinkum dip at a local ground.

Note I said fair and that would be lower to a tee.
You're spot on there mate. Theres just a great feel at the club, because everyone is there for the right reason these days. The function we had Saturday night was a blast (even if i copped a slap off an ex and was given the arse from a chick i'd been seeing!!!!).

We play footy in the right spirit i believe, and have a great side mixed of young and old.

Good to see some good comments about our club, because if we can build on what we have, then it will be a great club for a long time.
 
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It is interesting to see that this thread has over 71,000 hits at the moment so the interest is there.Alot of it is people having digs at each other and some at clubs etc.Fighting seems to be the main topic as most could not let there footy do the talking so they get on here hide behind names and try and show some front.When a 16 year old kid gets on has a concern about the future of a LEAGUE (sorry mattyr but that is how you spell it) it is disappointing that headlines of blatant king hits outway some of the obvious talent that is currently playing.Majorities will always beat minorities and a 71,000 majority could surely change the way a simple few think this league is ok.The board of Dvalley should shape up or F***O**
Then people could talk about players who win games or kick ten and make the DValley exciting to watch again ,not investigation after investigation that sounds like a broken record.
Speaking of acheivements it would be good to hear of some personal acheivements in football not the fact the President and Co Of the Valley have been there for an eternity...............Please .
Sorry for attacking the Valley but it is Soley their fault that this **** happens....enough said.
 
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