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Happily. One of the few compliments I can give his tenure is that by and large, he's kept the core playing group united and happy enough to be at the club.

Whether he's achieved that by not being as hard on or demanding of certain players at times as he should have been, is another question altogether.

When players like Cotchin and Martin "coach themselves" - direct quote - it's probably a nice, comfy situation compared to many others.

Also worth pointing out, he's the first Richmond coach in over two decades to find himself free of the 'players running the club' and 'insiders and outsiders' culture which caused no end of trouble and disharmony for Frawley and Wallace and way back into the 90's.



Hardly, or they and we would have enjoyed something resembling success.

If you were interviewing him for the position back in '09 and the conversation ran like this:

'Ok, you've got a 5yr plan to seriously challenge for a flag, what will you say if at end of year 5, you've not been able to achieve this?'

'well, obviously that failure will be 100% the players fault, because I'll have given them all the tools they need to succeed.'

...I can't see anyone being very accepting of that reply.

don't stress Rayzor he is getting another two years, everything will be cherry ripe to use a frawleyism.
 
While Ross Lyon will most likely not win a flag with his current game plan, I could deal with the boringness if he got us a flag. I actually think he'd adjust his plan slightly if he came to Richmond. Both Fremantles and St Kildas home grounds are small and easy to clog up. He's played on that. If he came to Richmond, where we play 15 games a year at the G, he would be much more inclined to change it up.
 
While Ross Lyon will most likely not win a flag with his current game plan, I could deal with the boringness if he got us a flag. I actually think he'd adjust his plan slightly if he came to Richmond. Both Fremantles and St Kildas home grounds are small and easy to clog up. He's played on that. If he came to Richmond, where we play 15 games a year at the G, he would be much more inclined to change it up.
Never thought of Subi as small, what with it being the longest ground, Goal to Goal, in the league.
 

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the little Ray of sunshine...must be an easy hit to be had.
only takes a win or two and '****' he's gone again.

Thanks dimma
 
don't stress Rayzor he is getting another two years, everything will be cherry ripe to use a frawleyism.

Yes, ST, it would appear we're far more interested in stable terminal mediocracy than truly getting serious about winning a flag.

While Ross Lyon will most likely not win a flag with his current game plan, I could deal with the boringness if he got us a flag. I actually think he'd adjust his plan slightly if he came to Richmond. Both Fremantles and St Kildas home grounds are small and easy to clog up. He's played on that. If he came to Richmond, where we play 15 games a year at the G, he would be much more inclined to change it up.

Sure, Lyon has a major focus on the defensive side of the game, but we should bear in mind he's had no genuine offensive power to work with at Freo.

Great coaches play to their side's strengths and Freo's certainly wasn't the forwardline he inherited. They've bent over backwards and thrown a lot of resources at trying to improve the situation and if it ever does improve, we'll see an adjustment in their style

I'd suggest that if Lyon had arrived at St. Kilda earlier in the piece when they had an embarrassment of forwardline riches at prime age (Reiwoldt, Gehrig, Hamill, Milne etc.) he'd have utilised that strength to its fullest and his gameplan would have been far more about fast transition and offense. Instead he inherited veterans carrying plenty of shrapnel in the body and went with a gameplan which could make that list as successful as possible.

If Lyon had inherited what Thomas did, The Saints would have conquered all comfortably. Lyon has never had a truly great list to work with, but he's going to eventually get it at Freo and he'll be there until they win a flag.

the little Ray of sunshine...must be an easy hit to be had.
only takes a win or two and '****' he's gone again.

How unlike you to have a couple of self-indulgent cracks at saying absolutely nothing worth reading. :D

If my life was emptier and I was here week in week out slamming every little detail of Hardwick's complete lack of competence, you and your rapidly dwindling band of Failure Fans would go into 'throw the facts out the window meltdown mode' in my direction all over again, which is very boring, pointless and time consuming for me to bother engaging with.
 
Evidently, the Essendon Accountant was so busy plotting endlessly cheap, off the ball 'hits' on his next opponent during his university days, that he missed many golden opportunities to mingle with future CREATIVE accountants. ;)



I think we can mark that down as a universal assessment from football people in the know after so many years of miserably failing to lure any top-line talent to the club - despite having cap-room to burn and being in an infinitely better off-field position than ever before in our modern history.

None of these players wanted to be subject to Hardwick's endless tactical incompetence and embarrassingly football-blind man-fetishes, or be part of the piss-weak culture of failure he's allowed to infest what has now become a terminally under-performing playing group. Players changing club want success and sadly, due to the above, we've been assessed over and over again by the football world as a worse gamble than many other alternative clubs whose core playing group is considerably less talented.

He's therefore not simply a 'weakness', he's a colossal liability and any extension of his contract will only extend the misery.



He came in promising a serious premiership challenge within a 5yr time frame with a side built almost entirely from the draft.

If any person on this board was given a crystal ball 7yrs ago which showed that we'd be going into 2016 with nothing from finals but humiliation, with Chaplin being proposed as our CHF, a half-buggered Maric as our no.1 ruck, Hampson as probably our next best no.1 ruck option, Houli as our go-to rebounder, a far too long list of retread man-fetish failures, and that the player who had come closest to fulfilling the potential they arrived at the club with was Rance, we'd all happily get down on our knees and beg for a roll of the dice on any other option which might look a little less like a massive failure.

"How could any other possible coaching end result look much worse 7yrs in?" we would ask ourselves.

Not a single person here would have said 7yrs ago - 'wow, those Hardwick results as outlined above sound *excellent*, let's go with that.'

Yet here we are.

That's it GR! You tell 'em! Sack 'em!!! Sack 'em all!!'
They're all shit! Everything is shit! Worst ****ing coach since the last coach and until the next coach.

Gotta love the ol' GR.

When you think about it, the basic logic of your last 2-3 posts is technically:
Until we win a premiership no coach of ours is good enough to coach us and should be sacked.

It's frankly brilliant. Worthy of Voltaire or Kant.
 
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He came in promising a serious premiership challenge within a 5yr time frame with a side built almost entirely from the draft.

If any person on this board was given a crystal ball 7yrs ago which showed that we'd be going into 2016 with nothing from finals but humiliation, with Chaplin being proposed as our CHF, a half-buggered Maric as our no.1 ruck, Hampson as probably our next best no.1 ruck option, Houli as our go-to rebounder, a far too long list of retread man-fetish failures, and that the player who had come closest to fulfilling the potential they arrived at the club with was Rance, we'd all happily get down on our knees and beg for a roll of the dice on any other option which might look a little less like a massive failure.

"How could any other possible coaching end result look much worse 7yrs in?" we would ask ourselves.

Not a single person here would have said 7yrs ago - 'wow, those Hardwick results as outlined above sound *excellent*, let's go with that.'

Yet here we are.

Just on this. I know you have love for Terry "can do no wrong" Wallace, so i am not going to re start that shit storm BUT when Hardwick took over, the list as it was, was a mess. Not only in quality but unbalanced in age, games played, and positions. So Hardwick in 5 years ( keep in mind he had 2 of those years where he removed over 30 players) has made us a side who can consistently make finals, year in and year out. He has done that by recruiting players from other clubs that are cheap, while never sacrificing our first pick and getting quality kids.

It has been nearly 30 years since we have known at the start of the season that realistically we will make finals. Now will he take us to a flag, who knows ? What we do know is that again we will make finals and once we win one, who knows what will happen. So this narrative that Hardwick is a massive failure is wrong IMO
 
Just on this. I know you have love for Terry "can do no wrong" Wallace, so i am not going to re start that shit storm BUT when Hardwick took over, the list as it was, was a mess. Not only in quality but unbalanced in age, games played, and positions. So Hardwick in 5 years ( keep in mind he had 2 of those years where he removed over 30 players) has made us a side who can consistently make finals, year in and year out. He has done that by recruiting players from other clubs that are cheap, while never sacrificing our first pick and getting quality kids.

It has been nearly 30 years since we have known at the start of the season that realistically we will make finals. Now will he take us to a flag, who knows ? What we do know is that again we will make finals and once we win one, who knows what will happen. So this narrative that Hardwick is a massive failure is wrong IMO
our list wasn't too bad in 2009.Agree we were poorly coached,but heavens our famous 8 were there and are still with us today.we were gifted Martin by SMellburn with a plethora of supporting players in Jacko Kingy Newman tuck etc.That's another throwaway line. Really with all that DH has had given to him ,he's massively under achieved.The results don't lie
 
our list wasn't too bad in 2009.Agree we were poorly coached,but heavens our famous 8 were there and are still with us today.we were gifted Martin by SMellburn with a plethora of supporting players in Jacko Kingy Newman tuck etc.That's another throwaway line. Really with all that DH has had given to him ,he's massively under achieved.The results don't lie

Our list was not that bad in 09 ???? Ok all righty then :drunk: Awesome list at the end of 09, finishing 15th and all that must just be a throw away result. Lets not factor in who retired on that list either before hardwick took over lol

2 Will Thursfield Defender
3 Brett Deledio Midfielder, Forward
4 Andrew Raines Defender
5 Troy Simmonds Ruck
6 Graham Polak Defender, Forward
7 Nathan G. Brown Forward
8 Jack Riewoldt Forward
9 Trent Cotchin Midfielder
10 Shane Edwards Midfielder
11 Joel Bowden Defender
12 Matthew Richardson Forward
13 Jordan McMahon Defender
14 Dean Polo Defender
15 Kayne Pettifer Forward
16 Luke McGuane Defender
17 Chris Newman Defender
18 Alex Rance Defender
20 Mitch Morton Forward
21 Shane Tuck Midfielder
22 Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls Defender, Midfielder
23 Daniel Jackson Midfielder
24 Mark Coughlan Midfielder
25 Jay Schulz Forward
26 Adam Pattison Ruck
27 Tom Hislop Midfielder
29 Tyrone Vickery Ruck
30 Richard Tambling Midfielder
31 Adam Thomson Midfielder
32 Ben Cousins Midfielder
35 Matt White Midfielder
36 Jarrod Silvester Defender
37 Jayden Post Defender
38 Robin Nahas Forward
39 Daniel Connors Midfielder
40 Kelvin Moore Defender
41 Nathan Foley Midfielder
42 Andrew Collins Midfielder
43 Andrew Browne Ruck
44 Angus Graham Ruck
46 Jake King Defender
Coach Terry Wallace
 

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what do you think ?in actual fact dh brought a lot of crap in that year himself.

See, this is where you are being mischievous. You are comparing Wallace who had 5 years to "build" the list that ended in 09 to hardwicks list in 2010, his first year that he could not delist every single spud. Best to compare 09 to the list now. I have listed 09, below is our team now...yeah hardwick has failed us in miss managing our list

Games Goals
No
Player Name Ht Wt DoB Debut Recruited From 2015 Career 2015 Career
1 Nick Vlastuin 187 86 19.04.94 Rd 5,2013 Eltham (Vic)/Northern U18 23 61 1 14
2 Dylan Grimes 193 88 16.07.91 Rd 22,2010 Hurstbridge (Vic)/Northern U18 18 63 1 2
3 Brett Deledio 188 89 18.04.87 Rd 1,2005 Kyabram (Vic)/Murray U18 18 232 27 173
4 Dustin Martin 187 88 26.06.91 Rd 1,2010 Castlemaine (Vic)/Bendigo U18 23 131 24 141
5 Brandon Ellis 181 81 03.08.93 Rd 1,2012 West Coburg (Vic)/Calder U18 23 88 8 34
6 Shaun Grigg 190 85 19.04.88 Rd 14,2007 Redan (Vic)/North Ballarat U18/Carlton 23 147 16 68
7 Ben Lennon 188 84 05.07.95 Rd 9,2014 Macleod (Vic)/Northern U18 9 16 6 8
8 Jack Riewoldt 195 91 31.10.88 Rd 9,2007 Clarence (Tas)/Tasmania U18 23 180 54 435
9 Trent Cotchin 185 85 07.04.90 Rd 8,2008 PEGS (Vic)/Northern U18 22 153 12 91
10 Shane Edwards 182 80 25.10.88 Rd 4,2007 Golden Grove (SA)/North Adelaide (SANFL) 16 168 13 114
11 Jake Batchelor 188 87 13.02.92 Rd 1,2011 Frankston Bombers (Vic)/Dandenong U18 23 75 1 4
12 David Astbury 195 93 26.02.91 Rd 4,2010 Tatyoon (Vic)/North Ballarat U18 4 41 1 8
13 Chris Yarran 180 83 19.12.90 Rd 7,2009 Midvale (WA)/Swan Districts (WAFL)/Carlton 14 119 3 90
14 Bachar Houli 180 83 12.05.88 Rd 7,2007 Spotswood (Vic)/Western U18/Essendon 23 137 5 33
15 Andrew Moore 189 87 30.05.91 Rd 1,2010 Yarra Valley Grammar (Vic)/Eastern U18/Port Adelaide 5 55 2 18
16 Shaun Hampson 201 106 21.03.88 Rd 21,2007 Mt Gravatt (Qld)/Carlton 4 78 0 33
17 Daniel Rioli 179 65 16.04.97 St Marys (NT)/East Point (Vic)/St Patâ??s Coll (Vic)/North Ballarat U18 - 0 - 0
18 Alex Rance 194 96 09.10.89 Rd 2,2009 Noranda (WA)/Swan Districts (WAFL) 23 130 0 8
20 Ivan Maric 200 102 04.01.86 Rd 6,2006 Keilor (Vic)/Calder U18/Adelaide 22 154 11 61
21 Jacob Townsend 187 89 20.06.93 Rd 1,2012 Leeton-Whitton (NSW)/NSW-ACT U18/GWS Giants 1 28 1 4
23 Kane Lambert 178 75 26.11.91 Rd 2,2015 Preston (Vic)/Northern U18/Northern Blues (VFL)/W'town (VFL) 13 13 8 8
24 Ben Griffiths 200 101 17.09.91 Rd 10,2010 Blackburn (Vic)/Eastern U18 13 48 12 28
25 Troy Chaplin 195 97 23.02.86 Rd 4,2004 Maryborough Rovers (Vic)/North Ballarat U18/Port Adelaide 22 207 1 14
26 Anthony Miles 179 80 28.02.92 Rd 4,2012 North Albury (NSW)/Murray U18/GWS Giants 23 46 7 13
27 Sam Lloyd 180 83 03.03.90 Rd 4,2014 Deniliquin (NSW)/Geel Gram (Vic)/Geelong U18/Frankston (VFL) 12 20 13 23
28 Taylor Hunt 184 78 05.11.90 Rd 11,2010 Beaumaris (Vic)/Sandringham U18/Geelong 23 86 1 20
29 Ty Vickery 200 99 31.05.90 Rd 12,2009 East Brighton (Vic)/Haileybury College (Vic)/Sandringham U18 15 102 31 132
30 Reece Conca 185 83 12.08.92 Rd 1,2011 Victoria Park (WA)/Perth (WAFL) 3 74 1 21
31 Oleg Markov 188 73 08.05.96 Gepps Cross (SA)/North Adelaide (SANFL) - 0 - 0
32 Corey Ellis 184 75 09.10.96 Rd 5,2015 Keilor (Vic)/PEGS (Vic)/Western U18 6 6 3 3
33 Kamdyn McIntosh 192 91 03.04.94 Rd 1,2015 Pinjarra (WA)/Peel Thunder (WAFL) 23 23 8 8
34 Liam McBean 202 94 25.08.94 Rd 7,2015 Aberfeldie (Vic)/Calder U18 2 2 0 0
35 Nathan Broad 192 83 15.04.93 Upper Swan (WA)/Swan Districts (WAFL) - 0 - 0
37 Connor Menadue 187 69 19.09.96 Rd 7,2015 Spotswood (Vic)/Western U18 5 5 1 1
38 Steven Morris 185 83 31.12.88 Rd 1,2012 Aberfeldie (Vic)/Western U18/West Adelaide (SANFL) 14 78 4 11
39 Nathan Drummond 182 86 19.01.95 Rd 4,2015 Shepparton Bears (Vic)/Melbourne Grammar/Murray U18 1 1 0 0
40 Dan Butler 182 80 03.06.96 Lake Wendouree (Vic)/North Ballarat U18 0 0 0 0
42 Reece McKenzie 197 104 28.03.96 Warrandyte (Vic)/Marcellin College (Vic)/Northern U18 0 0 0 0
43 Todd Elton 197 101 29.04.93 Rd 14,2012 Somerville (Vic)/Dandenong U18 1 2 0 0

Yeah, wallace had it right
 
Just on this. I know you have love for Terry "can do no wrong" Wallace, so i am not going to re start that shit storm BUT when Hardwick took over, the list as it was, was a mess. Not only in quality but unbalanced in age, games played, and positions. So Hardwick in 5 years ( keep in mind he had 2 of those years where he removed over 30 players) has made us a side who can consistently make finals, year in and year out. He has done that by recruiting players from other clubs that are cheap, while never sacrificing our first pick and getting quality kids.

It has been nearly 30 years since we have known at the start of the season that realistically we will make finals. Now will he take us to a flag, who knows ? What we do know is that again we will make finals and once we win one, who knows what will happen. So this narrative that Hardwick is a massive failure is wrong IMO
Yep, absolutely. H&A record since R14 2014 is 24-7. Finals are where it's won but it's 'just' a monkey to kick off the back, and other than that we are up there with the contenders. And 5 years ago, if you told me we'd be expecting to play finals and winning 75% of games, I'd get you put in a mental hospital.
 
See, this is where you are being mischievous. You are comparing Wallace who had 5 years to "build" the list that ended in 09 to hardwicks list in 2010, his first year that he could not delist every single spud. Best to compare 09 to the list now. I have listed 09, below is our team now...yeah hardwick has failed us in miss managing our list

Games Goals
No
Player Name Ht Wt DoB Debut Recruited From 2015 Career 2015 Career
1 Nick Vlastuin 187 86 19.04.94 Rd 5,2013 Eltham (Vic)/Northern U18 23 61 1 14
2 Dylan Grimes 193 88 16.07.91 Rd 22,2010 Hurstbridge (Vic)/Northern U18 18 63 1 2
3 Brett Deledio 188 89 18.04.87 Rd 1,2005 Kyabram (Vic)/Murray U18 18 232 27 173
4 Dustin Martin 187 88 26.06.91 Rd 1,2010 Castlemaine (Vic)/Bendigo U18 23 131 24 141
5 Brandon Ellis 181 81 03.08.93 Rd 1,2012 West Coburg (Vic)/Calder U18 23 88 8 34
6 Shaun Grigg 190 85 19.04.88 Rd 14,2007 Redan (Vic)/North Ballarat U18/Carlton 23 147 16 68
7 Ben Lennon 188 84 05.07.95 Rd 9,2014 Macleod (Vic)/Northern U18 9 16 6 8
8 Jack Riewoldt 195 91 31.10.88 Rd 9,2007 Clarence (Tas)/Tasmania U18 23 180 54 435
9 Trent Cotchin 185 85 07.04.90 Rd 8,2008 PEGS (Vic)/Northern U18 22 153 12 91
10 Shane Edwards 182 80 25.10.88 Rd 4,2007 Golden Grove (SA)/North Adelaide (SANFL) 16 168 13 114
11 Jake Batchelor 188 87 13.02.92 Rd 1,2011 Frankston Bombers (Vic)/Dandenong U18 23 75 1 4
12 David Astbury 195 93 26.02.91 Rd 4,2010 Tatyoon (Vic)/North Ballarat U18 4 41 1 8
13 Chris Yarran 180 83 19.12.90 Rd 7,2009 Midvale (WA)/Swan Districts (WAFL)/Carlton 14 119 3 90
14 Bachar Houli 180 83 12.05.88 Rd 7,2007 Spotswood (Vic)/Western U18/Essendon 23 137 5 33
15 Andrew Moore 189 87 30.05.91 Rd 1,2010 Yarra Valley Grammar (Vic)/Eastern U18/Port Adelaide 5 55 2 18
16 Shaun Hampson 201 106 21.03.88 Rd 21,2007 Mt Gravatt (Qld)/Carlton 4 78 0 33
17 Daniel Rioli 179 65 16.04.97 St Marys (NT)/East Point (Vic)/St Patâ??s Coll (Vic)/North Ballarat U18 - 0 - 0
18 Alex Rance 194 96 09.10.89 Rd 2,2009 Noranda (WA)/Swan Districts (WAFL) 23 130 0 8
20 Ivan Maric 200 102 04.01.86 Rd 6,2006 Keilor (Vic)/Calder U18/Adelaide 22 154 11 61
21 Jacob Townsend 187 89 20.06.93 Rd 1,2012 Leeton-Whitton (NSW)/NSW-ACT U18/GWS Giants 1 28 1 4
23 Kane Lambert 178 75 26.11.91 Rd 2,2015 Preston (Vic)/Northern U18/Northern Blues (VFL)/W'town (VFL) 13 13 8 8
24 Ben Griffiths 200 101 17.09.91 Rd 10,2010 Blackburn (Vic)/Eastern U18 13 48 12 28
25 Troy Chaplin 195 97 23.02.86 Rd 4,2004 Maryborough Rovers (Vic)/North Ballarat U18/Port Adelaide 22 207 1 14
26 Anthony Miles 179 80 28.02.92 Rd 4,2012 North Albury (NSW)/Murray U18/GWS Giants 23 46 7 13
27 Sam Lloyd 180 83 03.03.90 Rd 4,2014 Deniliquin (NSW)/Geel Gram (Vic)/Geelong U18/Frankston (VFL) 12 20 13 23
28 Taylor Hunt 184 78 05.11.90 Rd 11,2010 Beaumaris (Vic)/Sandringham U18/Geelong 23 86 1 20
29 Ty Vickery 200 99 31.05.90 Rd 12,2009 East Brighton (Vic)/Haileybury College (Vic)/Sandringham U18 15 102 31 132
30 Reece Conca 185 83 12.08.92 Rd 1,2011 Victoria Park (WA)/Perth (WAFL) 3 74 1 21
31 Oleg Markov 188 73 08.05.96 Gepps Cross (SA)/North Adelaide (SANFL) - 0 - 0
32 Corey Ellis 184 75 09.10.96 Rd 5,2015 Keilor (Vic)/PEGS (Vic)/Western U18 6 6 3 3
33 Kamdyn McIntosh 192 91 03.04.94 Rd 1,2015 Pinjarra (WA)/Peel Thunder (WAFL) 23 23 8 8
34 Liam McBean 202 94 25.08.94 Rd 7,2015 Aberfeldie (Vic)/Calder U18 2 2 0 0
35 Nathan Broad 192 83 15.04.93 Upper Swan (WA)/Swan Districts (WAFL) - 0 - 0
37 Connor Menadue 187 69 19.09.96 Rd 7,2015 Spotswood (Vic)/Western U18 5 5 1 1
38 Steven Morris 185 83 31.12.88 Rd 1,2012 Aberfeldie (Vic)/Western U18/West Adelaide (SANFL) 14 78 4 11
39 Nathan Drummond 182 86 19.01.95 Rd 4,2015 Shepparton Bears (Vic)/Melbourne Grammar/Murray U18 1 1 0 0
40 Dan Butler 182 80 03.06.96 Lake Wendouree (Vic)/North Ballarat U18 0 0 0 0
42 Reece McKenzie 197 104 28.03.96 Warrandyte (Vic)/Marcellin College (Vic)/Northern U18 0 0 0 0
43 Todd Elton 197 101 29.04.93 Rd 14,2012 Somerville (Vic)/Dandenong U18 1 2 0 0

Yeah, wallace had it right
who said failed?I said he's underachieved.The above list has still yet to achieve anything worth framing let alone a bit of silverware.
DH is still riding on Wallets famous 8 plus the gifted Martin.Take them out and DH would be coaching at Camperdown
Hawthorn wouldn't put up with six years of happy chat
 
who said failed?I said he's underachieved.The above list has still yet to achieve anything worth framing let alone a bit of silverware.
DH is still riding on Wallets famous 8 plus the gifted Martin.Take them out and DH would be coaching at Camperdown
Hawthorn wouldn't put up with six years of happy chat
Hardwick was part of Hawthorns success in 2008.
 
who said failed?I said he's underachieved.The above list has still yet to achieve anything worth framing let alone a bit of silverware.
DH is still riding on Wallets famous 8 plus the gifted Martin.Take them out and DH would be coaching at Camperdown
Hawthorn wouldn't put up with six years of happy chat

This is where you an I split.

You say Hardwick has under achieved due to not wining any silverware, where I factor WHERE we came from. For hardwick to be the ONLY modern day Richmond coach to get our side to qualify for finals 3 years straight, is an achievement. It is not the ultimate achievement but a achievement none the less. You dismiss and mock it.

Keep in mind champ, i am in the camp not wanting to re sign Hardwick till the end of the year as we have a list now who should make top 4 and win a final. Anything less then that, to me, he should be moved on. In saying that though, i wont ignore the good he has achieved, that is just silly and a throw away attitude.
 

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This is where you an I split.

You say Hardwick has under achieved due to not wining any silverware, where I factor WHERE we came from. For hardwick to be the ONLY modern day Richmond coach to get our side to qualify for finals 3 years straight, is an achievement. It is not the ultimate achievement but a achievement none the less. You dismiss and mock it.

Keep in mind champ, i am in the camp not wanting to re sign Hardwick till the end of the year as we have a list now who should make top 4 and win a final. Anything less then that, to me, he should be moved on. In saying that though, i wont ignore the good he has achieved, that is just silly and a throw away attitude.

youre going to be sadly disappointed, two year extension prior to the practice match against carlton.

I don't believe he will lead us to a flag and I don't think we will get top 4 all the other clubs around us have improved their lists, apart from yarran who needs to lose 20kg also we have not addressed our rucking deficiencies god help us if Grigg goes down and we are looking at Chaplain to bolster the forward line, steve morris rings a bell and that experiment went on for almost half the season.

Fortunately for us the big Fish will be landed in this years trade period.
 
youre going to be sadly disappointed, two year extension prior to the practice match against carlton.

I don't believe he will lead us to a flag and I don't think we will get top 4 all the other clubs around us have improved their lists, apart from yarran who needs to lose 20kg also we have not addressed our rucking deficiencies god help us if Grigg goes down and we are looking at Chaplain to bolster the forward line, steve morris rings a bell and that experiment went on for almost half the season.

Fortunately for us the big Fish will be landed in this years trade period.

So, you bank in all clubs around us improving but are convinced we wont ?
 
So, you bank in all clubs around us improving but are convinced we wont ?


look at your draw, we have been handed a dream run in the first seven weeks, top 4 should be a lock.;)
 
This is where you an I split.

You say Hardwick has under achieved due to not wining any silverware, where I factor WHERE we came from. For hardwick to be the ONLY modern day Richmond coach to get our side to qualify for finals 3 years straight, is an achievement. It is not the ultimate achievement but a achievement none the less. You dismiss and mock it.

Keep in mind champ, i am in the camp not wanting to re sign Hardwick till the end of the year as we have a list now who should make top 4 and win a final. Anything less then that, to me, he should be moved on. In saying that though, i wont ignore the good he has achieved, that is just silly and a throw away attitude.
you misread my post again.here is the gist

yet to achieve anything worth framing let alone a bit of silverware.
The silverware is not my yardstick entirely,but some would have been nice after 6years
 

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