Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FF *Guilty Overturned on Appeal
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FM *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

WT - William Tyrrell
FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[31550]

High balcony.

Sure. So the trace was found near the bottom of the high balcony but not beyond the boundary of the property. Which is all consistent with him being removed from the property by a vehicle. Vehicle could have driven up either driveway (upper or lower) or could have parked on Benaroon and William was escorted or carried from under the balcony or thereabouts to the vehicle. Consistent with what dog handlers found.

 

[Curious Clues]

This is what I worked out as well. Clearly the FM is lying about him being there during the call. This adds another layer to the logical reasoning.

Why lie about this if he had not disappeared yet.

I think this is proof that something happened to William much earlier than we have been lead to believe.

Nearly everything we know is smoke and mirrors. The problem is the police were forced to investigate a fake timeline after Craddock because the investigation failed to do the most basic checks of the only evidence that proved he was alive.

Jubelin is right on this. There should be an open enquiry into the whole mess.

Didn't FM indicate on a floor plan that William was on the high balcony when she made the phone call to BS at 9:03?
Maybe that’s why she lied that FF was still there. To perhaps imply that everything was fine, all the adults were there, William was fine.
But of course that’s only a consideration if the photos are proven to be tampered with.

Is it possible the alleged Bali timestamps on the photos were actually NSW real time?
IMO I think it’s reasonable to believe they could have been sitting outside at 7:37am.
The children had been up since 6am, chatting, squealing, fighting over toys etc.
FGM said she normally gets up at 7:30, and that’s in dead silence. Then they expect us to believe she slept in that day? Hmm yeah right.

 

[winyhill]

But of course that’s only a consideration if the photos are proven to be tampered with.

Is it possible the alleged Bali timestamps on the photos were actually NSW real time?
IMO I think it’s reasonable to believe they could have been sitting outside at 7:37am.

I dont want to raise the sun angles, but I think there is way too much sun on the balcony for it to be 7.37am.

And the Police have had them forensically examined. Also, those few photos we have seen were not the only ones on the camera.

 

[Leon Higgins]

I dont want to raise the sun angles, but I think there is way too much sun on the balcony for it to be 7.37am.

And the Police have had them forensically examined. Also, those few photos we have seen were not the only ones on the camera.

You’re right it was not 7.37 am.

It wasn’t 9.37 am either. Too much light on the south east wall. Shadows under the white chair should not be there either.

If you want to determine the time and not here to disrupt, look at the power poles on Benaroon drive.

Power polls act a bit like a sundial, the shadow on the power pole itself points away from the direction of the sun. There is a power polls visible on Benaroon drive through the back window.

What it shows is a time well after he disappeared. It’s not even close. It’s not affected by the Perspex ceiling but actually matches the shadows under the chair and door way quite well. It’s a sunny day and the light is shining through the Perspex. As I have said before, it was overcast at 9.37am, There should be no shadows under the chair or on the wall.

It’s just ridiculous that Craddock accepted that time. Hopefully they have changed their mind and are on the right track.

 

[LRitz]

I dont want to raise the sun angles, but I think there is way too much sun on the balcony for it to be 7.37am.

Agree not 7:37. Look at how bright the brick wall near the laundry is.

And the Police have had them forensically examined. Also, those few photos we have seen were not the only ones on the camera.

They seem to have had a few problems with the forensic examination of the tennis CCTV. They corrected it and then had to correct their correction.
Maybe some of the forensics were not done in a timely manner.

 

[31550]

Didn't FM indicate on a floor plan that William was on the high balcony when she made the phone call to BS at 9:03?
Maybe that’s why she lied that FF was still there. To perhaps imply that everything was fine, all the adults were there, William was fine.
But of course that’s only a consideration if the photos are proven to be tampered with.
...

I have my suspicions about this aspect of the timeline, and I'll preface it with the proviso that it's based on opinion and conjecture and not hard evidence:

I suspect the fosters were in the middle of a heated argument or disagreement from early that morning - possibly even from the night before. They slept in separate beds but didn't need to - they could have put one of the kids on a couch or air mattress. FM had forgotten to pack FF anxiety meds. They arrived quite late at night and disturbed FGM normal routine. An elderly woman would normally go to bed early and get up early. But FGM didn't get up early, even though the kids were awake early. She didn't interface. Perhaps because the fosters were fighting and she didn't want to get involved. Why didn't FF sit down and have breakfast with the rest of the family before he left? In fact, did he really need to leave at all? Do we know for sure the internet was 'crap'? Why is there no detailed description of events before 9am from anybody? But a detailed chronology from 9am to 10am? Why did the FGM insist she didn't see FF at all, yet FM claim he was there until the Spedding phone call? Why did FGM announce, "Everybody was Happy!" when she wasn't even asked about this?

If there was such an argument, could it have anything to do with William's subsequent disappearance? Maybe, maybe not, but it might help understand the FM state of mind. Was she annoyed at FF for dumping the kids on her? Was she perhaps too proud or vain to admit to the police that they were anything other than a 'perfect family', and that maybe she wasn't the 'perfect mother' she would have us believe she was? So she weaved into the narrative that it was a perfectly normal morning for a perfectly normal perfect family, and they were all together having breakfast before they continued their perfect family day at Nannas?

 

[Leon Higgins]

I have my suspicions about this aspect of the timeline, and I'll preface it with the proviso that it's based on opinion and conjecture and not hard evidence:

I suspect the fosters were in the middle of a heated argument or disagreement from early that morning - possibly even from the night before. They slept in separate beds but didn't need to - they could have put one of the kids on a couch or air mattress. FM had forgotten to pack FF anxiety meds. They arrived quite late at night and disturbed FGM normal routine. An elderly woman would normally go to bed early and get up early. But FGM didn't get up early, even though the kids were awake early. She didn't interface. Perhaps because the fosters were fighting and she didn't want to get involved. Why didn't FF sit down and have breakfast with the rest of the family before he left? In fact, did he really need to leave at all? Do we know for sure the internet was 'crap'? Why is there no detailed description of events before 9am from anybody? But a detailed chronology from 9am to 10am? Why did the FGM insist she didn't see FF at all, yet FM claim he was there until the Spedding phone call? Why did FGM announce, "Everybody was Happy!" when she wasn't even asked about this?

If there was such an argument, could it have anything to do with William's subsequent disappearance? Maybe, maybe not, but it might help understand the FM state of mind. Was she annoyed at FF for dumping the kids on her? Was she perhaps too proud or vain to admit to the police that they were anything other than a 'perfect family', and that maybe she wasn't the 'perfect mother' she would have us believe she was? So she weaved into the narrative that it was a perfectly normal morning for a perfectly normal perfect family, and they were all together having breakfast before they continued their perfect family day at Nannas?

There are so few facts, maybe it’s unwise to add another unverified narrative.

 

[winyhill]

If you want to determine the time and not here to disrupt, look at the power poles on Benaroon drive.

You are the one who is here to disrupt with your wild theories that you never back up when asked for why you advance them:
Horse corral - where is it?
Power Pole - No power poles visible in the photos. Is this like the horse corral?
Unsubstantiated rubbish about photos taken months prior to even the purchase of the camera.
Funny how whenever you are asked for more details you deflect onto something else and do not provide any evidence.

 

[31550]

There are so few facts, maybe it’s unwise to add another unverified narrative.

Fair point but 90% of the discussion here is not fact-based and I went to great lengths to state this was OPINION only

 

[Underarrest_]

I have my suspicions about this aspect of the timeline, and I'll preface it with the proviso that it's based on opinion and conjecture and not hard evidence:

I suspect the fosters were in the middle of a heated argument or disagreement from early that morning - possibly even from the night before. They slept in separate beds but didn't need to - they could have put one of the kids on a couch or air mattress. FM had forgotten to pack FF anxiety meds. They arrived quite late at night and disturbed FGM normal routine. An elderly woman would normally go to bed early and get up early. But FGM didn't get up early, even though the kids were awake early. She didn't interface. Perhaps because the fosters were fighting and she didn't want to get involved. Why didn't FF sit down and have breakfast with the rest of the family before he left? In fact, did he really need to leave at all? Do we know for sure the internet was 'crap'? Why is there no detailed description of events before 9am from anybody? But a detailed chronology from 9am to 10am? Why did the FGM insist she didn't see FF at all, yet FM claim he was there until the Spedding phone call? Why did FGM announce, "Everybody was Happy!" when she wasn't even asked about this?

If there was such an argument, could it have anything to do with William's subsequent disappearance? Maybe, maybe not, but it might help understand the FM state of mind. Was she annoyed at FF for dumping the kids on her? Was she perhaps too proud or vain to admit to the police that they were anything other than a 'perfect family', and that maybe she wasn't the 'perfect mother' she would have us believe she was? So she weaved into the narrative that it was a perfectly normal morning for a perfectly normal perfect family, and they were all together having breakfast before they continued their perfect family day at Nannas?

I’m not disagreeing with your post but FM didn’t forget FF’s medication (if it was left behind.) He’s a grown man, not a baby, responsible for his own medication hence him going to fill the script.

 

[31550]

I’m not disagreeing with your post but FM didn’t forget FF’s medication. He’s a grown man, not a baby, responsible for his own medication hence him going to fill the script.

Maybe. Do you think he also packed his own clothes and toiletries etc. when he got home, or do you think FM did it for him? I thought the narrative was that they agreed to leave as soon as he finished work, and therefore FM was going to look after packing the kids, organising the cattery, etc. etc so they could leave immediately and travel via the daycare centre to get to Kendall as early as possible. This seems a little inconsistent with him doing his own packing. I guess he always had the opportunity to ask her specifically to pack them for him while on the phone. But maybe he assumed she would? Or maybe the whole anxiety meds narrative is fiction anyway?

 

[Underarrest_]

Maybe. Do you think he also packed his own clothes and toiletries etc. when he got home, or do you think FM did it for him? I thought the narrative was that they agreed to leave as soon as he finished work, and therefore FM was going to look after packing the kids, organising the cattery, etc. etc so they could leave immediately and travel via the daycare centre to get to Kendall as early as possible. This seems a little inconsistent with him doing his own packing. I guess he always had the opportunity to ask her specifically to pack them for him while on the phone. But maybe he assumed she would? Or maybe the whole anxiety meds narrative is fiction anyway?

Yes maybe, just pointing out that it wasn’t just FM’s responsibility to pack, especially FF’s meds. He was the one who wanted to leave within hours instead of just leave it until the next day, and not be a rush. He could have got his behind home and helped/checked they had everything before they left.
As you said, the meds could just be narrative.

 

[31550]

Yes maybe, just pointing out that it wasn’t just FM’s responsibility to pack, especially FF’s meds. He was the one who wanted to leave within hours instead of just leave it until the next day, and not be a rush. He could have got his behind home and helped/checked they had everything before they left.
As you said, the meds could just be narrative.

I only mentioned the meds issue as a possible cause of tension in the early morning. FF says he didn't have them and needed them. That in itself is a cause of tension. Doesn't really matter whose fault it was or whose fault he thought it was.

 

[Underarrest_]

I only mentioned the meds issue as a possible cause of tension in the early morning. FF says he didn't have them and needed them. That in itself is a cause of tension. Doesn't really matter whose fault it was or whose fault he thought it was.

I understand what you’re saying.
I question his responsibility.
I wonder if FF drank wine with his medication often, which can increase anxiety.

 

[31550]

I understand what you’re saying.
I question his responsibility.
I wonder if FF drank wine with his medication often, which can increase anxiety.

The wine's another thing. Did they take wine up with them? So, somebody remembered to pack wine but not meds, or snacks for kids. Or did FGM provide the wine?
I find it unusual for parents with very young kids to even drink wine with dinner at home. Maybe that's just me.
Surely it's unusual and not recommended to mix alcohol with anxiety meds.
I found it stranger that they even cooked and sat down to eat dinner only a few hours after William had disappeared.
I would have had no appetite, no inclination to cook or eat, let alone drink wine. I would have gone and got takeaway or ordered in if I was hungry. But that's just me again.
Perhaps the police asked them not to leave the house? But if so, police would have probably helped get them dinner.
And then shortly afterwards, an ambulance needed to be called for FF. So dinner and wine did not calm him down anyway.

 

[Grassy_Knoll]

The toilet question asked by Mr Jubelin, if true, is very interesting. Why so?

If you're like me and do not believe the public version of events, then William's sister must be shielded in some way
not to see what really occurred that morning. Thus coached about what to say. Keeping her out of
the loop would be crucial because who knows what a 4yo might reveal out of the blue.

There is a perfect scenario that I see that has played out that brings going to the toilet into play that occurs just after 8am.

We find out as the years pass there were incidents that she's been threatened, verbally abused, charges were laid and brought before the courts. Was that a scare tactic, put the fear of god into her as she grew older and started to articulate what was occurring post 2014 within the household dynamics?

In time, it's my opinion, we will learn the riding (rather non-riding) of the bikes that morning plays a significant role in unlocking pandora's box. IMO it will be tied to the evidence given by the late FGM....

 

[winyhill]

I only mentioned the meds issue as a possible cause of tension in the early morning. FF says he didn't have them and needed them. That in itself is a cause of tension. Doesn't really matter whose fault it was or whose fault he thought it was.

I have heard they are very necessary for people on them, can suffer serious withdrawals if suddenly stop taking.

 

[Underarrest_]

The wine's another thing. Did they take wine up with them? So, somebody remembered to pack wine but not meds, or snacks for kids. Or did FGM provide the wine?
I find it unusual for parents with very young kids to even drink wine with dinner at home. Maybe that's just me.
Surely it's unusual and not recommended to mix alcohol with anxiety meds.
I found it stranger that they even cooked and sat down to eat dinner only a few hours after William had disappeared.
I would have had no appetite, no inclination to cook or eat, let alone drink wine. I would have gone and got takeaway or ordered in if I was hungry. But that's just me again.
Perhaps the police asked them not to leave the house? But if so, police would have probably helped get them dinner.
And then shortly afterwards, an ambulance needed to be called for FF. So dinner and wine did not calm him down anyway.

I’m not sure what the dinner involved but I wouldn’t have been able to eat or drink.
What if William had been found injured and they had to get to the hospital.
The wine mixed with anxiety tablets was not going to calm him down, probably why the ambulance was called.
This doesn’t suggest guilt but it’s all strange.

 

[31550]

I have heard they are very necessary for people on them, can suffer serious withdrawals if suddenly stop taking.

In that case it's not very smart to get into a car and head off for a two day trip without ensuring you have adequate supply. Especially if you are planning on driving, working, looking after children, ...

 

[Curious Clues]

I wonder if the FF was taking the same meds in 2020-2021 as he was in 2014? Maybe they were anti psychotics? All we know is he told the cops he takes medication for “stress”. Does he turn into Mr Hyde without them? If he’s so stressed out why would he take on 2 little kids that need calm love and guidance, a carer who has their psychological shit together.
Meds mixed with alcohol and maybe mixed with other stuff that makes you sniffly and sneezy. I mean come on, the walkthrough video is a 20 metre high red flag
IMO

 

[passball]

Agree not 7:37. Look at how bright the brick wall near the laundry is.


They seem to have had a few problems with the forensic examination of the tennis CCTV. They corrected it and then had to correct their correction.
Maybe some of the forensics were not done in a timely manner.

Why did they have problems with the CCTV?
I don’t trust the CCTV, at all

 

[31550]

Why did they have problems with the CCTV?
I don’t trust the CCTV, at all

Probably because it was a crappy 2014 small town amateur tennis club CCTV. Not a sophisticated security monitoring system.

 

[passball]

I have heard they are very necessary for people on them, can suffer serious withdrawals if suddenly stop taking.

Might depend on what dosage FF was on. Was he on a heavy dose? Was it even an anxiety prescription or was the script to treat something else?
Sure it would be fine if he was taking them once a day and was then going to get his Friday dose from the chemist in the morning, that's if he took his Thursday dose.
Wonder if FM was on something too

 

[passball]

Probably because it was a crappy 2014 small town amateur tennis club CCTV. Not a sophisticated security monitoring system.

Honestly, I don't think it should even be used for evidence

 

[passball]

The wine's another thing. Did they take wine up with them? So, somebody remembered to pack wine but not meds, or snacks for kids. Or did FGM provide the wine?
I find it unusual for parents with very young kids to even drink wine with dinner at home. Maybe that's just me.
Surely it's unusual and not recommended to mix alcohol with anxiety meds.
I found it stranger that they even cooked and sat down to eat dinner only a few hours after William had disappeared.
I would have had no appetite, no inclination to cook or eat, let alone drink wine. I would have gone and got takeaway or ordered in if I was hungry. But that's just me again.
Perhaps the police asked them not to leave the house? But if so, police would have probably helped get them dinner.
And then shortly afterwards, an ambulance needed to be called for FF. So dinner and wine did not calm him down anyway.

I dont think anyone would cook dinner, drink wine, then head to bed, all while their 3 year old foster child had been missing since hmm hmm '9.37am.
But then who locks their 2 year old child outdoor for punishment?
Yeah, remembered that