Environment DMT

[nicky]

Not really and no I wasnt judging, just interested. However as you are now preferring to get stupidly defensive rather than provide an explanation or engage in discussion I conclude that the "Ive done it you havent" Nicky persona is what is actually "simple" here. That aint a judgement on your DMT activity rather a judgement on your inability to engage in discussion.....nor being able to answer a fairly simply question.

I have provided explanations as have other posters but the explanations we've provided haven't satisfied you.

Also, i'm not the one who's defensive here, you are.

And Frankly, OF COURSE, more weight should be placed on the opinions of peopel who've actually tried it and have experience in what they're talking about.... And you know it, hence why you're getting defensive and projecting "getting defensive" onto me.

 

[The Passenger]

http://www.starfarer.net/intvw999.html

Mojo magazing interview on Hawkwind (who are incidentally one of the coolest bands ever to trip too)

Then Huw left abruptly after a particularly "hectic" performance in Amsterdam which resulted in him "finding Jesus", says Nik. "He took some LSD and never came back."

For some reason that line just cracks me up.

A few months ago I dropped two tabs at once and it hit me so hard that during the immediate comedown I vowed that was enough for this lifetime (I've since softened on that but I'm still in no hurry to go back there again).

I'm scared to think what 5 or 6 of them would have done to me.

There is another quote attributed to Lemmy from somewhere that I have never been able to verify but still cracks me up whether it's legitimate or not.

"One of the problems with acid is when you take it two or three days in a row the strength of it starts to get diluted.... But I figured if I took 10 at a time that problem wouldn't come up"

 

[Bosun]

I have provided explanations as have other posters but the explanations we've provided haven't satisfied you.

Also, i'm not the one who's defensive here, you are.

And Frankly, OF COURSE, more weight should be placed on the opinions of peopel who've actually tried it and have experience in what they're talking about.... And you know it, hence why you're getting defensive and projecting "getting defensive" onto me.

You havent provided any explantion that DMT is not a mind altering susbstance, you crapped on about how others such as alcohol are but not DMT, "the whole Ive done it you havent" doesnt explain anything. Im projecting getting defensive onto you?? How in the **** have I done that? Ive openly admitted I havent done it, Ive referenced other posters on here who have and asked how they can substantiate it isnt when it clearly does. Tell me what dimensions can you look into without it? Why do your other senses stop operating when you dont ingest?

 

[nicky]

You havent provided any explantion that DMT is not a mind altering susbstance, you crapped on about how others such as alcohol are but not DMT, "the whole Ive done it you havent" doesnt explain anything. Im projecting getting defensive onto you?? How in the **** have I done that? Ive openly admitted I havent done it, Ive referenced other posters on here who have and asked how they can substantiate it isnt when it clearly does. Tell me what dimensions can you look into without it? Why do your other senses stop operating when you dont ingest?

lol, do your own research. I tried to explain it and you're not satisfied and it's making your very very angry.

As i said, google, youtube - there's explanations all over the net.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

I wanna try but haven't come across it anywhere yet. I don't think I even know anyone irl who's used it.

Is it anything like an acid trip?

You used to be able to buy DMT crystals (so an extract) at the hippy stand at the Thursday arvo markets near Myer in Freo.

Probs don't sell it anymore, but there are a couple of other places which do, also an internet forum which discusses these sorts of things and trades in legal plant material, or seeds.

It isn't for everyone. Short but extremely intense, you can also extend the experience using various MAIO inhibitors.

As for ayahuasca, do not recommend. Even done right, with people who know what they are doing, it can still be a dangerous or testing experience.

As for DMT's "spiritual" properties, I would suggest they are bunk. It is all about the person. Very much a neo hippy/hipster fad drug and all of the people I know who roll that way, either the new agers, or the hipster goofballs are generally shit people. It seems the spiritual experience has not cured them of self obsession, or preciousness.

 

[Bosun]

lol, do your own research. I tried to explain it and you're not satisfied and it's making your very very angry.

As i said, google, youtube - there's explanations all over the net.

No not angry, just after an informed opinion and discussion from someone that has experienced it, not a moron who has done it, expects everyone to fawn over her outlook and not being able provide any decent information. I can google, youtube etc however its always good to hear from honest anonymous posters, not the ignorant, stuck up types.

 

[alfy!]

lol, do your own research.

Says everyone should do this weekly. Gets questioned and into a discussion over the substance. Says 'lol do your own research'.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

You havent provided any explantion that DMT is not a mind altering susbstance, you crapped on about how others such as alcohol are but not DMT, "the whole Ive done it you havent" doesnt explain anything. Im projecting getting defensive onto you?? How in the **** have I done that? Ive openly admitted I havent done it, Ive referenced other posters on here who have and asked how they can substantiate it isnt when it clearly does. Tell me what dimensions can you look into without it? Why do your other senses stop operating when you dont ingest?

Life is a mind altering experience.

Psychoactive drugs can be either beneficial, or harmful depending on your mental state, the people you take them with and setting.

More recently research is showing that hallucinogens in LSD and psilocybin and dissociatives in ketamine, have remarkable properties that may help treat various mental illnesses and addiction.

 

[nicky]

You used to be able to buy DMT crystals (so an extract) at the hippy stand at the Thursday arvo markets near Myer in Freo.

Probs don't sell it anymore, but there are a couple of other places which do, also an internet forum which discusses these sorts of things and trades in legal plant material, or seeds.

It isn't for everyone. Short but extremely intense, you can also extend the experience using various MAIO inhibitors.

As for ayahuasca, do not recommend. Even done right, with people who know what they are doing, it can still be a dangerous or testing experience.

As for DMT's "spiritual" properties, I would suggest they are bunk. It is all about the person. Very much a neo hippy/hipster fad drug and all of the people I know who roll that way, either the new agers, or the hipster goofballs are generally shit people. It seems the spiritual experience has not cured them of self obsession, or preciousness.

Have you done ayahuasca? I have a good friend who lives in Chile and runs weekly ceremonies and have had very long conversations with her about it. Also have heard that people with gigantic egos are probably not ready to try ayahuasca. Food for thought.

The last paragraph in your posts makes it seem you have a very big chip on your shoulder.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

she started on marijuana, progressed to other things, all before the age of 18. Highlight of her life was becoming a hooker to fund it, which is probably better than her doing breaking and entering. You can possibly understand why drugs don't excite me. She is now in and out of Graylands.

Apologies as it is a sensitive topic, but cannabis use does not cause bipola.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Have you done ayahuasca? I have a good friend who lives in Chile and runs weekly ceremonies and have had very long conversations with her about it. Also have heard that people with gigantic egos are probably not ready to try ayahuasca. Food for thought.

The last paragraph in your posts makes it seem you have a very big chip on your shoulder.

No, it is simply the reality I have observed. No amount of DMT, ayahuasca or bunk spiritual journeys to South America will change your personal defects or make you more spiritually aware. I know a lot of people into this lifestyle and it has done nothing to improve them as people. For most it is a bit of a fad, for others a lifestyle they choose, but true personal growth is not dependent, nor can it be replaced with a diet of entheogens.

As for "ready", that has nothing to do with it. I know a mystical space cadet who stayed with some isolated tribe, did his shaman jig and his "ceremonies" for yonks blah blah blah, yet have also seen him go waaaaaayyy off the deep end here undertaking a similar experience.

So my point stands. Whilst setting is of course important, I suggest what you arrogantly perceive as ego, or any other borrowed pseudo spiritual notions have little to do with it. Such a powerful mix of psychoactive substances as ayahuasca provides, is an uncertain journey for any person at almost any time. In other words people should genuinely be careful. Managing the experience can take the exact right circumstances and prior knowledge or experience. It also won't make you a better or more enlightened person.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Like drugs, take them, but don't pretend they're good for you, or that you're cool(er) than those who don't.

And don't pretend to be an educator/scientist, urging young people to try drugs.

They can be good for you.

 

[Bosun]

Life is a mind altering experience.

Psychoactive drugs can be either beneficial, or harmful depending on your mental state, the people you take them with and setting.

More recently research is showing that hallucinogens in LSD and psilocybin and dissociatives in ketamine, have remarkable properties that may help treat various mental illnesses and addiction.

Completely agree D&M, I was simply asking how it is not mind altering in light of the comparisons to other substances such as alcohol. Nicky is completely useless a a source of discussion. My concern would be rather than recommend to all and sundry, that careful consideration is put in place when digesting such drugs.

However after Nicky's last few posts I would not be surprised if she was on the Essendon's medical staff books, "hey it's just Thymosin guys it's all good".

 

[Yellow Feathers]

Ayahuasca is orally active DMT. It's a much longer and gentler verison of the trip. Smoking pure DMT is like being on a rocket to the same destination.

With Ayahuasca, one bark has DMT, the others have what are called MAOI enzyme inhibitors that make it possible for the DMT to be effective orally. They stop the DMT from being digested and allow it to pass into our blood steam. Quite amazing that the tribes worked out the exact barks to use to make the brew given that they have an entire amazon of different plants to choose from.

I really think there's something to DMT.
- It's naturally occuring in plants and animals
- It's (theorised) that our pineal gland produces it at birth, death and when dreaming
- People have very similar experiences and often report communicating with otherworldly, intelligent beings

I've tried it and I am certain it's more than just a hallucination. I think we're seeing the other side.

Caught the end of a doctor Carl interview on Triple J one morning. He was saying how scientists believe that before the big bang there were up to 11 dimensions. We live in a three dimensional environment- they don't know where the rest of the dimensions are. Most of the universe is missing, actually. That's why we're looking for anti-matter- we're trying to figure out where the rest of the universe is.

Could it be that there are other dimensions parallel with our own? Could DMT be a bridge between them??

 

[Caesar]

DMT is a psychotropic, yeah? Most people would call that mind altering.

Whether it's naturally occurring doesn't have much to do with it, I would have thought.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Comparing alcohol and psychedelics is apples and oranges. The risks are very different and as such, people are wary of them for different reasons. There is nothing inherently wrong with thinking alcohol is fine and psychedelics are bad, or vice versa. It mostly depends on what sort of risks you view as acceptable.

ECON101 speaking through you Caeser. That opportunity cost.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

DMT is a psychotropic, yeah? Most people would call that mind altering.

Whether it's naturally occurring doesn't have much to do with it, I would have thought.

It has nothing to do with it. That the brain produces DMT in fact, partially explains it's psychoactive properties, simply because the brain contains receptors that bind to the DMT molecule.

But a drug being "synthetic" or "natural" is a largely arbitrary distinction. Perhaps if it is natural and has been part of the human diet for thousands of years, then we may be better evolved to metabolize the drug or any other substances contained within the host material, however this is a broad and slightly unscientific position to take.

 

[Yellow Feathers]

I wish we could discuss DMT on it's own merits and without the whole stigma of drugs attached to it.

I think it's a very interesting subject that deserves respect.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Could DMT be a bridge between them??

No.

 

[nicky]

I wish we could discuss DMT on it's own merits and without the whole stigma of drugs attached to it.

I think it's a very interesting subject that deserves respect.

Not on this forum

 

[Yellow Feathers]

No.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Ugh, this thread is the worst.

Recommending DMT to everyone, all drugs are bad, our body/brain is a finely tuned machine that you should never mess with, the back slapping, bragging, generalisations, comparisons. Dear lord.

This isn't true.

You mess with your body all of the time. Everything from exercise, the amount of sunlight you receive, to diet, water intake, stress and sexual activity, trigger the full gamete of physiological responses, such as changes in brain chemistry, hormone levels and so forth.

Reality is complex.

 

[little graham]

Comparing alcohol and psychedelics is apples and oranges. The risks are very different and as such, people are wary of them for different reasons.

Well Psychedelics are not a key ingredient in so many of societies failings like booze is. We don't spend millions stopping drug drivers like we do drunk drivers, nor do we have enormous health industry costs dealing with psychedelic related violence.It is of note that multiple countries just conducted a police operation called operation 'unite' to try and curb booze related behavior. so many trippers would of been sitting in the back of nightclubs laughing at the drunks and the poor coppers working night shift, ordered by a politician to get results. Think of that poor coppers wife and family and the damage to the social fabric while the police ministers party takes massive donations from the hoteliers.

So I agree with you, its like comparing apples with oranges and it astounds me why booze is legal. (I'd still drink it if it wasn't)

Please do not take this personal but your posts cry out for a psychedelic influence, a new consciousness.

 

[Bosun]

Well Psychedelics are not a key ingredient in so many of societies failings like booze is. We don't spend millions stopping drug drivers like we do drunk drivers, nor do we have enormous health industry costs dealing with psychedelic related violence.It is of note that multiple countries just conducted a police operation called operation 'unite' to try and curb booze related behavior. so many trippers would of been sitting in the back of nightclubs laughing at the drunks and the poor coppers working night shift, ordered by a politician to get results. Think of that poor coppers wife and family and the damage to the social fabric while the police ministers party takes massive donations from the hoteliers.

So I agree with you, its like comparing apples with oranges and it astounds me why booze is legal. (I'd still drink it if it wasn't)


Please do not take this personal but your posts cry out for a psychedelic influence, a new consciousness.

First of all anyone would take that personally if they had enough respect for you as a poster, btw that's not personal from me, Caesar just might not, furthermore he/she seems to be one of the more balanced on BF.

 

[exe ex machina]

The line you haven't tried something so you can't opine, judge, criticize, etc is so laughable. Meanwhile in the same breath this person is making statements about other drugs they admit they haven't tried.