Does karma exist in poker?

[lazy]

I am from Sydney but go to Melbourne alot. I was playing in the satellite for the Terminator tourny. I think the top 9 got through and we were down to 10players.

We were playing for awhile and I was short stack so was the target for the bubble. Then a couple of players said that it was a shame that someone had to miss out why didnt we just put in $30 each so everyone got to play in the tourny. Being short stacked I quickly agreed. I was surprised when even the big stacks agreed. Only one guy said no. He was middle stack.

We all tried to convince him but he said no so we played on. I think you can see what is coming. Next hand I took half his stack with cards I dont remember. Two hands later he goes all in and I have him covered and look down at pocket Kings.

Asta La Vista - guy looked like he was going to cry and everyone was snickering so much he left in a huff.

Karma?


Anyone have any karma stories?

 

[CrippsonBlue]

Why didnt the rest of you just agree on $33 then, or if you were short-stacked, why didnt you chip in the last $30 to basically get yourself in?

I don't think its Karma, if you were trying to Sat into a $300 game, why pay 10% of someone elses buy-in when you are confident you have a place guarenteed...

I believe in karma, but I don't know what qualifies as karma in poker...slow-rolling maybe, but even then I think thats more to do with the type of person you are, and it'll be 'life karma' that'll come back around to bite you for being a dick.

 

[red+black]

Why didnt the rest of you just agree on $33 then, or if you were short-stacked, why didnt you chip in the last $30 to basically get yourself in?

These two suggestions were my first two thoughts also.

 

[BarcaRulz]

I don't think there is Karma in poker. I believe the reason that people think there is is because the people who are karma-worthy (ie: the ones who suckout and fish) give you the oppurtunity to get your money back because of how bad they play.

Although to be fair that doesn't sound like this kind of person in the OP. He must have though he was a shoo-in for a spot, and didn't want to put in another $30 he didn't need to. Although being the only person not to do it is kindof being w***erish.

But i agree with ppg and rb, why not just all pay $33 or you fork out the extra $30?

 

[red+black]

I had a similar situation a couple weeks back at Crown with a $250 satellite for the $1100 Melbourne Champs Main Event. 120 players, 24 get a seat, and we're down to 26 (3 tables). One table agrees that if everyone pays $85, all 26 of us would get a ticket. Most at our table said no, I said nothing, so that deal was off.

Then we lost 1 and were on the bubble. Then one guy says he can't play the Main Event so if we all paid him $10 each, he'd be happy. So we did. And there was a chance I could bubble, but at the time I remember being appreciative that all of those big stacks that were guaranteed a seat all put in $10. I would have paid $20 or $30 obviously, but there were no arguments, we all put a tenner on the table and patted each other on the back.

 

[BarcaRulz]

I had a similar situation a couple weeks back at Crown with a $250 satellite for the $1100 Melbourne Champs Main Event. 120 players, 24 get a seat, and we're down to 26 (3 tables). One table agrees that if everyone pays $85, all 26 of us would get a ticket. Most at our table said no, I said nothing, so that deal was off.

Then we lost 1 and were on the bubble. Then one guy says he can't play the Main Event so if we all paid him $10 each, he'd be happy. So we did. And there was a chance I could bubble, but at the time I remember being appreciative that all of those big stacks that were guaranteed a seat all put in $10. I would have paid $20 or $30 obviously, but there were no arguments, we all put a tenner on the table and patted each other on the back.

I don't get that at ALL. Why pay $250 to get into a satellite to an event that you won't be able to make? There would have been the very real chance of losing it all for nothing, or winning a seat for an event you won't go to.

Then, why would he just accept $10 a pop (which will pay back his $250 and that's it) from the remaining 25 players? Even if he can't make it that's just stupid.

Weird.

 

[Cartman121]

Probably just wanted to play some poker, $200 worth of entertainment I guess. More than likely gave himself no shot of even getting into the money.

 

[BarcaRulz]

Probably just wanted to play some poker, $200 worth of entertainment I guess. More than likely gave himself no shot of even getting into the money.

No offense, but that is a ******ed answer. You don't play in a $250 satellite just for 'entertainment'.. If he wanted to have fun he would have gone to pub poker, or to the 2/3 tables.

That is a VERY weird story.

 

[red+black]

It was weird. Why play 5-6 hours then when you're on the brink of qualifying, change your mind, and say, oops, I'm actually busy this weekend?

But yeah, maybe he saw it as an opportunity to get his money back cos he knew he had little chance of cashing in the Main Event. Unlike me, who wanted a seat even though I was confident I had little chance of cashing in the Main Event

 

[paxmaniac]

No offense, but that is a ******ed answer. You don't play in a $250 satellite just for 'entertainment'.. If he wanted to have fun he would have gone to pub poker, or to the 2/3 tables.

That is a VERY weird story.

It's not a ******ed answer at all. It is just about the only explanation. I have played satellites where more than one player didn't even realise it was a satellite.

 

[red+black]

That is also true. There was at least one person at the WSOP that paid for the 10k Mixed Event, sat down, started playing then realised it wasn't a Mixed Holdem event, whatever that might mean, but rather a Mixed Game event. Guy had probably never even played 2-7 triple draw.

 

[ashley12]

Why didnt the rest of you just agree on $33 then, or if you were short-stacked, why didnt you chip in the last $30 to basically get yourself in?

I don't think its Karma, if you were trying to Sat into a $300 game, why pay 10% of someone elses buy-in when you are confident you have a place guarenteed...

I believe in karma, but I don't know what qualifies as karma in poker...slow-rolling maybe, but even then I think thats more to do with the type of person you are, and it'll be 'life karma' that'll come back around to bite you for being a dick.

Agree with paragraph one. Espcially putting in the extra cash to get yourself in. I read a good article about Independant Chip Modeling in a US magazine a friend bought me, which is also covered in Kill Everyone. Good read for anyone who plays regularly in tournaments/SnG's to help get yourself a good deal if one is made.

I don't think there is Karma in poker. I believe the reason that people think there is is because the people who are karma-worthy (ie: the ones who suckout and fish) give you the oppurtunity to get your money back because of how bad they play.

Although to be fair that doesn't sound like this kind of person in the OP. He must have though he was a shoo-in for a spot, and didn't want to put in another $30 he didn't need to. Although being the only person not to do it is kindof being w***erish.

But i agree with ppg and rb, why not just all pay $33 or you fork out the extra $30?

This isnt karma, this is expectation. And those who fish/suckout etc... with a -EV are those I want at my table. Like those who overbet preflop. It might make me fold 95% of my hands and shit me to tears, but sooner or later I will pick up a monster and stack you...

People, particularly social players dont understand the concept of the long run etc... and lambast these "poor" players who get there money in bad. At the worst cases, which I have seen a few times players have left the table to go play blackjack or roulette. This is bad on many levels, as it means that

1) The player leaves with your money with no chance to get it back, which depending on the player can be quite a big stack...
2) Could leave the game forever/a long time. This makes games harder to win with less good players.

While I hate it on the night when a bad player stacks me, I always look forward to the next trip if they are still around with the profits from their "hotstreak'..

And yes, I realise I am hardly an angel at times when it comes to talking poker at the table. However, there is IMO a difference between defending yourself from a personal attack/slur on either my poker game or myself in general (bad but hardly a sin) compared to having a go out of nowhere who makes a call for stacks with A4...

I don't get that at ALL. Why pay $250 to get into a satellite to an event that you won't be able to make? There would have been the very real chance of losing it all for nothing, or winning a seat for an event you won't go to.

Then, why would he just accept $10 a pop (which will pay back his $250 and that's it) from the remaining 25 players? Even if he can't make it that's just stupid.

Weird.

Accident I guess. I have done it before online but never live. I actually would have asked for $25-$40 dollars and made a profit out of it. But seriously, I would...

It's not a ******ed answer at all. It is just about the only explanation. I have played satellites where more than one player didn't even realise it was a satellite.

Yep, me too. And maybe he got the dates wrong, or never bothered to check...

That is also true. There was at least one person at the WSOP that paid for the 10k Mixed Event, sat down, started playing then realised it wasn't a Mixed Holdem event, whatever that might mean, but rather a Mixed Game event. Guy had probably never even played 2-7 triple draw.

Mixed Hold Em is a mix of Fixed Limit, Pot Limit and No Limit Hold Em in different measures. Obviously the blinds are weighted from game to game so that in fact the blinds can go DOWN as you move from Fixed to No limit....

 

[lazy]

Why didnt the rest of you just agree on $33 then, or if you were short-stacked, why didnt you chip in the last $30 to basically get yourself in?

I don't think its Karma, if you were trying to Sat into a $300 game, why pay 10% of someone elses buy-in when you are confident you have a place guarenteed...

I believe in karma, but I don't know what qualifies as karma in poker...slow-rolling maybe, but even then I think thats more to do with the type of person you are, and it'll be 'life karma' that'll come back around to bite you for being a dick.

That was discussed but everyone was kinda pissed that there was one w***er hold out and didnt want to give him a free ride.

 

[red+black]

That was discussed but everyone was kinda pissed that there was one w***er hold out and didnt want to give him a free ride.

but you pay for him and the karma bus runs him over when he walks out of the casino

 

[dont bowl there]

That was discussed but everyone was kinda pissed that there was one w***er hold out and didnt want to give him a free ride.

Why is the guy considered a w***er?

 

[DockersMad]

Can these deals be made for any tournament? Wouldn't the organisers have something to say?

And how is it done anyway? Someone is designated to collect all the money and go register one extra? Then who do they register and who gets the satellite tickets, and what happens if the tourney is full?

So many questions. I've never played live so please forgive my ignorance.

 

[paxmaniac]

This seems appropriate for this thread from the 2-7 lowball:

Not Long for This World
Looks like John Hennigan owes Phil Ivey $2,500. Hennigan opened a pot for 1,200 and was called in position by Chino Rheem before Gus Hansen re-raised the small blind to 5,400. Both Hennigan and Rheem called. On the draw, Hansen rapped pat while each other player took one card. Hansen immediately checked, prompting Hennigan to move all in for 17,775. Chino Rheem pondered his decision for maybe fifteen seconds before Hennigan requested a clock. A floor was summoned to the table, prompting an immediate fold from Rheem. No sooner had Rheem folded, then Hennigan called the clock on Hansen! The floor told Hennigan that Hansen had not had any time to act and therefore calling for a clock was inappropriate. Hennigan was irate, perhaps prompting Hansen to call with 10-9-7-x-x. Hennigan's hand was ace-high, bouncing him from the tournament. Hennigan protested his case to the floor and to Andy Black after the hand was over. Both men's response was that a player must be allowed adequate time to make a decision before a clock is called. According to the 2009 WSOP Rules, they were both correct. Rule 50 states "Once a reasonable amount of time, which is no less than two minutes has passed and a clock is called, a player will be given one (1) minute to act." Either way, Hennigan's out.

 

[The Passenger]

^^^

what a w***er. i don't know much about hennigan but what i'd seen he seemed like a decent bloke.

after hearing that though....

Mixed Hold Em is a mix of Fixed Limit, Pot Limit and No Limit Hold Em in different measures. Obviously the blinds are weighted from game to game so that in fact the blinds can go DOWN as you move from Fixed to No limit....

mixed limit holdem is great.

so many people don't realise how big the limit holdem rounds play - generally the pots are actually larger than the equivalent round of no limit holdem so you get guy's donking off their chips "because it's limit holdem and i can get see the flop for cheaper"

 

[red+black]

Not Long for This World
Hennigan was irate

I thought he was an angry fellow after his performance in Lucky You.

 

[ashley12]

Only once have I had the clock called on me at Burswood, the same night I ever saw someone call a clock on 2/3...

Basically, one player was taking an eternity with there decision, it was somethng pretty basic too, I think pondering whether to call a bet with a weakish flush draw on the flop. Someone in the end, could even have been me, called time, and he got given another 30 seconds... He got angry and said basically "**** you and Im calling the clock on you straight away ********" He folded, Im UTG+1 next hand and he tried to call the clock as I was collecting 3 white chips to call. He did end up calling the clock on me "successfully" later in the night, when I was tossing up whether I had the correct pot odds and implied odds to call a turn bet drawing to the nuts... In the end, when he called the clock it made me call, it made the guy against me a bit angry and he shoved into me when that last heart fell...

 

[The Passenger]

Someone in the end, could even have been me, called time, and he got given another 30 seconds...

could??? even have been me???

 

[ashley12]

I honestly couldnt tell you whether it was me or the person next to me. Nevertheless we both copped both barrels...

 

[Borgsta]

There is nothing wrong with calling the clock on people. I have done it numerous times before.

 

[red+black]

There is nothing wrong with calling the clock on people.

There was with the Johnny World example above with Gus Hansen.

 

[Borgsta]

There was with the Johnny World example above with Gus Hansen.

yeah i meant in general when people do it normally.