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Dont start on whats "implied" Ron,I actually agree with you.
I think thats been done to death here in the last week.
Just read whats written,not what you assume it means.

In several threads here,the rationale behind MF being a champion seems to be that because she beat Haradasun & he's won at Gp 1,she must be capable of winning an open Gp 1.Despite 2 open G1 failures.

Apparently thats how "grown ups do form".In a bizarro world perhaps.
Equally as long a bow to draw dont you think?

seth
 
No doubt and i agree with that.
Both are exceptional horses, however both have question marks against them at certain events.

Until MF can win an open group one, or Haradasun can actually beat MF then neither can be classed an exceptional horse.

If either one of them managed to win the cox plate then i am happy to call them a champion, however i don't think either one of them can do it.
I am happy to be proved wrong come October though.
 
They are both outstanding 3yo's,I actually hope one of them does win a CP.
The gloves will be off because both stables rate their horses very highly.
Lets hope for dry tracks & then we'll really see.

seth
 

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Was a gutsy win similar to what his brother used to do. Fair to say the hype has been warranted after his last two wins.

I'm convinced now that the hoof problems he had is what cost him the Guineas. Finland wouldn't have won today.

Brilliant run from Mentality. No respect lost from Divine Madonna either.
 
Ron said:
Easily Haradasun's best win he has had, starting to change my mind about him.
Still until he beats Miss Finland i wont start jerking off over him like most of the people on this board do.
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And until Miss Finland wins a Group 1 against the older horses people probably shouldnt be "jerking off" over her either.
 
They asked Vasil about where he was targetting the horse,he said Gp 1's.
Did mention the Cox Plate though.

seth
 
Ron said:
Gotta wonder if maybe they shouldn't keep Haradasun in Sydney, struggles to win the decent races in Melbourne, but seems to do ok up there.
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He had plenty of feet problems down here. Tony Vasil only got him right just before he went to Sydney.
 
good win from haradasun, but i was on divine madonna.
at the 200m when she loomed up on the rails i thought she was gonna get up, but the slow track didnt help.

you would have to think if it was a dead-good track she would have won...
 
sethlad said:
Dont start on whats "implied" Ron,I actually agree with you.
I think thats been done to death here in the last week.
Just read whats written,not what you assume it means.

In several threads here,the rationale behind MF being a champion seems to be that because she beat Haradasun & he's won at Gp 1,she must be capable of winning an open Gp 1.Despite 2 open G1 failures.

Apparently thats how "grown ups do form".In a bizarro world perhaps.
Equally as long a bow to draw dont you think?

seth
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You still dont get it! Can you believe you wrote that. I'm in absolute amazement that anyone can believe that. Get a clue before you masquerade on here as a racing person of repute. That statement just reeks of stupidity.

That is how the form is done. Please if there are any punters out there can they give their opinion. You line up horses on there previous runs, assess the opposition relative to their competitors form and base opinions on that. If a horse has come a close second in a Sandown maiden to a subsequent group 1 winner then that horse would be short in its next start. That is logic, plain and simple.

Please tell me your just having a joke with us.
 
Ron said:
No doubt and i agree with that.
Both are exceptional horses, however both have question marks against them at certain events.

Until MF can win an open group one, or Haradasun can actually beat MF then neither can be classed an exceptional horse.

If either one of them managed to win the cox plate then i am happy to call them a champion, however i don't think either one of them can do it.
I am happy to be proved wrong come October though.
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How many horses in Australian history can you not have question marks about?
 

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Dirty Jamahl said:
Get a clue before you masquerade on here as a racing person of repute.
That is how the form is done. Please if there are any punters out there can they give their opinion.
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Dirty Jamahl said:
Can we at least have a level playing field here?
You hurl abuse & criticim,accusing anyone who doesnt agree with you of being "a friend of mine".Then,as your argument runs out of steam,you beg for support on here.

Thats your opinion on how form should be done.
Screaming & yelling doesnt make it correct.
You claim its "logic" but the punt is hardly a maths equation,theres 100 factors to take into account,not all are logical.It would be a very boring sport if they were.

So,by your sweeping generalisation,any horse that has beaten Blutigeroo is a likely Gp 1 winner.Theres gunna be a lot then.

You are the only person who is obsessed with whether Im a "racing person of repute".Once again,where do I claim this?
No one else cares,dont sell the posters here short.Im sure they can make up their minds about who's genuine & who spends their worktime picking abusive,unwinnable fights.
You acuse me of plagiarism based on an opinion I share with many people that Ive had since the Spring,is that logical?


seth
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sethlad said:
Dirty Jamahl said:
Get a clue before you masquerade on here as a racing person of repute.
That is how the form is done. Please if there are any punters out there can they give their opinion.
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Dirty Jamahl said:
Can we at least have a level playing field here?
You hurl abuse & criticim,accusing anyone who doesnt agree with you of being "a friend of mine".Then,as your argument runs out of steam,you beg for support on here.

Thats your opinion on how form should be done.
Screaming & yelling doesnt make it correct.
You claim its "logic" but the punt is hardly a maths equation,theres 100 factors to take into account,not all are logical.It would be a very boring sport if they were.

So,by your sweeping generalisation,any horse that has beaten Blutigeroo is a likely Gp 1 winner.Theres gunna be a lot then.

You are the only person who is obsessed with whether Im a "racing person of repute".No one else cares,dont sell the posters here short.Im sure they can make up their minds about who's genuine & who spends their worktime picking abusive,unwinnable fights.


seth
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agreed seth :thumbsu:

OT mate, you must be happy with Derby County's form! looks like they will be back in the premierleague next year
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Still a close race although Sunderland are white hot.
We have 4 games left,win them all & we're there,gunna be a nervous month

seth
 
sethlad said:
Dirty Jamahl said:
Get a clue before you masquerade on here as a racing person of repute.
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Dirty Jamahl said:
That is how the form is done. Please if there are any punters out there can they give their opinion.

Can we at least have a level playing field here?
You hurl abuse & criticim,accusing anyone who doesnt agree with you of being "a friend of mine".Then,as your argument runs out of steam,you beg for support on here.

Thats your opinion on how form should be done.
Screaming & yelling doesnt make it correct.
You claim its "logic" but the punt is hardly a maths equation,theres 100 factors to take into account,not all are logical.It would be a very boring sport if they were.

So,by your sweeping generalisation,any horse that has beaten Blutigeroo is a likely Gp 1 winner.Theres gunna be a lot then.

You are the only person who is obsessed with whether Im a "racing person of repute".Once again,where do I claim this?
No one else cares,dont sell the posters here short.Im sure they can make up their minds about who's genuine & who spends their worktime picking abusive,unwinnable fights.
You acuse me of plagiarism based on an opinion I share with many people that Ive had since the Spring,is that logical?


seth
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Poor you. Don't cry foul all the time mate. You stirred this blue back up not me. Your generalisation with Blutigeroo is wrong. My take on his form would be that any horse that has beaten Blutigeroo over 2000-2400 in the past couple of months would be a good hope in a similar type race. Screaming and yelling?????? This is an internet site, I just type calmly. I dont expect you to answer the next question but I'll ask anyway.

May I be so bold kind sir as to ask how you do the form?
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Dirty Jamahl said:
You stirred this blue back up not me.

How do you work that out?
It appears you only post here weekdays,considering MF was unplaced on the weekend & Haradasun won a Gp 1,the discussion had restarted.

Its not my generalisation,you announced that thats the form "rule".
So it's logic but apparently flexible depending on each horse?
You may type calmly but your words of abuse are hardly a mature response.

For the 100th time,this MF debate is unwinnable.
She wont be having any more runs at 3 so her next attempt at winning an open Gp 1,she'll be 4.
Completely different discussion.

seth
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sethlad said:
Dont start on whats "implied" Ron,I actually agree with you.
I think thats been done to death here in the last week.
Just read whats written,not what you assume it means.

In several threads here,the rationale behind MF being a champion seems to be that because she beat Haradasun & he's won at Gp 1,she must be capable of winning an open Gp 1.Despite 2 open G1 failures.

Apparently thats how "grown ups do form".In a bizarro world perhaps.
Equally as long a bow to draw dont you think?

seth
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Thats how you restarted it.

Of course it must be flexible! The races that you assess must be relevant to the race you're trying to pick the winner from. Distance, going, speed etc. A horse that beat Blutigeroo over a staying trip recently is very good form for a staying race. A horse that beat him over a sprint distance is not relevant to a staying race. Simple enough for you?

Again, can you tell me out of interest how you assess a race in which you may place a bet as this is a punting forum?
 

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Dirty Jamahl said:
A horse that beat Blutigeroo over a staying trip recently is very good form for a staying race. A horse that beat him over a sprint distance is not relevant to a staying race. Simple enough for you?

This is very simple but "good form for a staying race" is a long way from the initial Gp1 form pattern you see as logic.


Theres a dozen threads on this over the past few years,anyone interested is well aware of my background.Why your obsession???
Perhaps you could have been bothered looking first,instead of wading in with your accusations of plagiarism & abuse after being here for 10 posts.I was hardly trying to hide the link,I posted the article.
Do you believe we know anything about MF that we didnt know last Spring?


seth
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sethlad said:
Dirty Jamahl said:
A horse that beat Blutigeroo over a staying trip recently is very good form for a staying race. A horse that beat him over a sprint distance is not relevant to a staying race. Simple enough for you?

This is very simple but "good form for a staying race" is a long way from the initial Gp1 form pattern you see as logic.


Theres a dozen threads on this over the past few years,anyone interested is well aware of my background.Why your obsession???
Perhaps you could have been bothered looking first,instead of wading in with your accusations of plagiarism & abuse after being here for 10 posts.I was hardly trying to hide the link,I posted the article.
Do you believe we know anything about MF that we didnt know last Spring?


seth
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How about we leave it and agree that I am convinced you're a pretender thats knows little about racing and you think I'm an abusive newbie. If you cant see that Miss Finland is up to open Group 1 standard then I won't waste any more time with you. If I hurt your feelings with my "constant abuse" then heaven help you in the real world. I still would like you to tell me how you do the form or could that contradict your ramblings?
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An obsessive,ignorant,quick to judge,abusive newbie who cares way too much what people they dont know post on the internet.

Done

seth the pretender
 
sethlad said:
An obsessive,ignorant,quick to judge,abusive newbie who cares way too much what people they dont know post on the internet.

Done

seth the pretender
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And I'm abusive!

So thats a no on how you do the form then? Asking what others think will win is ok!
 

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