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ESSENDON has warned the AFL that the availability of the best draft picks to the AFL's northern start-up teams should be staggered and new clubs required to trade some top picks to avoid creating super teams and potentially cripple the bottom clubs.
The Bombers believe that giving the new Gold Coast team picks 1 to 5 in each of several drafts would risk artificially creating a super team while simultaneously inflicting unnecessary and excessive pain on those taking their turn at the foot of the ladder.
"The thing that concerns me most is (that) the first ambit claim from the AFL put before the clubs denies the normal benefits any existing club gets when they bottom out for the period of time and I just don't think that is fair," Essendon chief executive Peter Jackson said.
"You have clubs up near the top now — Hawthorn are one — who were down the bottom in 2000 and 2001 when Essendon were sitting on the top.
"These cycles happen and it is a normal and accepted part of keeping the competition even and rejuvenated but if you give away the first five draft picks and pre-season picks then over that three years, there are going to be clubs, depending on where their cycle is at at the time, who are going to miss out on a rebuilding exercise and could stay down in the doldrums for an extended period of time. You could have six or eight clubs down in the doldrums as a result.
"That is because the two or three or four who are down there when the concessions are first given will stay there and four others might join them as they go through their cycle through that three or four-year period."
Essendon has proposed that instead of picks 1 to 5 in the drafts the new franchise be given alternate picks (1, 3, 5, 7, 9 or 2, 4, 6, 8, 10) or possibly even staggering the picks more sparingly than that.
"I don't know if it is 1, 3, 5 or 2, 4, 6, it might even be wider spread than that because you have to give other clubs a chance to build as well," Jackson said.
"The detail is to be bashed out but the principle in our submission to the AFL is that the clubs that are going through their down cycle need to be able to take advantage of the draft picks like any club in recent history has that is sitting up there in the top four. It should not be that you are punished from pure bad luck on your timing cycle. You have to smooth that out some way or another, how you do it though is the issue."
There is further concern that the new club would be given a total of about 80 draft picks before entering the competition for a possible 50 places on the list.
Essendon, which is 14th on the ladder and second-favourite for the wooden spoon, believes there is a danger that unless the new club is required to trade some of the best picks, any new coach would insist that none of these quality picks be traded and the cream of the young players be blooded, with the club weathering a couple of years of pain, before the top 10 picks would mature to form the nucleus of a formidable side capable of carrying the club for a decade.
"The clubs finishing 14, 15, 16 have to have some ability to get into the top five or six draft picks as well as the other new clubs," Jackson said.




Just a question to you guys, do we think were one of those clubs that will have an extended run down the bottom, or will we just beat it?
 
We'll be okay.

The clubs impacted will be the ones who haven't had any top ten picks for three or four seasons and are now sliding.

Geelong, St Kilda, Fremantle, Kangaroos could be in a bit of trouble by the time 2012 comes around. All their quality players are 25 or over and their doesn't seem to be many young players as far as quantity is concerned coming through on the surface.
 
We'll be okay.

The clubs impacted will be the ones who haven't had any top ten picks for three or four seasons and are now sliding.

Geelong, St Kilda, Fremantle, Kangaroos could be in a bit of trouble by the time 2012 comes around. All their quality players are 25 or over and their doesn't seem to be many young players as far as quantity is concerned coming through on the surface.
Exactly, we have bottomed out early enough. Teams like WCE, Freo and Kangas are screwed. They are slipping now, and will miss one or more years of draft potential due the the GC and Sydney franchise.
 

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Even though we have recruited well over the last two years, Peter Jackson is spot on! Who's to say we shouldn't be eligible for early draft picks on the point that new sides are developing?

So should the AFL have complete disregard for existing clubs to ensure new clubs will have sustained success by giving them priority picks?
 
Even though we have recruited well over the last two years, Peter Jackson is spot on! Who's to say we shouldn't be eligible for early draft picks on the point that new sides are developing?

So should the AFL have complete disregard for existing clubs to ensure new clubs will have sustained success by giving them priority picks?


I think the AFL will eventually remove two Melbourne based clubs down the track. This is a clever way to weaken clubs so they can be an easier target. Somehow 18 clubs isnt right, i think that we will go back to 16 sometime down the future. Melbourne, North Melbourne be wary. Only my opinion.
 
I don't think we have recruited that well over the last few years. And unless we do so this year we could be in abit of trouble. Because we are lacking the star players that you get when you finish 15th or 16th. We certainly need the priority pick this year.

This year could be the last chance for clubs to get good picks so I am actually pretty excited that we are down the bottom now and not in the next couple of years. :thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu:
 
I think the suggestion of alternating picks was a very good one, as far as us being one of those teams that bottoms out for a few extra years because of the new teams, we should be right, a ruckman, a couple of decent key defenders and a couple of decent mids between this year and next year's draft and we should just beat it because we have the potential with the young guys and with the injection of some good draftees like a Rich, a Natanui (spelling) or a Hurley, etc. we will hopefully be at least playing finals again by the time the new teams come in.
 
It is unfair in my opinion. Essendon will suffer as a result of the devised draft system as we are unfortunately going through the rebuilding phase and in desperate need of top picks. I also fear for the Demons who have a limited pool of talented youngsters at the minute and Freo who have an abundance of players nearing the end of their careers (or thereabouts) combined with a somewhat lack of talented youngsters themselves bar a few, and may well be up a certain creek without a paddle. West Coast don't look too bad and will get better as their young guys mature and Kangaroos have never really needed high draft picks to be competitive, however it is essentially a "wait and see" type scenario to see what happens in the long run in my opinion.
 
I think this years draft and trade will determine how the new teams affect us if we do it well we will be okay must trade big this year for more draft picks. The problem we have is apart from Lucas and maybe McPhee we have no one who we can get anything for and personally I would be shattered if we traded Scotty.
 
I think this years draft and trade will determine how the new teams affect us if we do it well we will be okay must trade big this year for more draft picks. The problem we have is apart from Lucas and maybe McPhee we have no one who we can get anything for and personally I would be shattered if we traded Scotty.

Knighter said in a recent article that Scotty won't be traded. Too important for us.


"Knights says Lucas is still a key player at the club.

“We hold him in high regard and sooner rather than later we will come to an end solution about that (contract negotiations),” Knights said.

“We will work this out behind closed doors and come to a solution because he is a big part of the club.

"I have said before that I wouldn’t dare trade him and one of the club’s four pillars is community and he is a big part of the Essendon community."

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=5830
 
It is unfair in my opinion. Essendon will suffer as a result of the devised draft system as we are unfortunately going through the rebuilding phase and in desperate need of top picks. I also fear for the Demons who have a limited pool of talented youngsters at the minute and Freo who have an abundance of players nearing the end of their careers (or thereabouts) combined with a somewhat lack of talented youngsters themselves bar a few, and may well be up a certain creek without a paddle. West Coast don't look too bad and will get better as their young guys mature and Kangaroos have never really needed high draft picks to be competitive, however it is essentially a "wait and see" type scenario to see what happens in the long run in my opinion.

the thing is though is that when the teams are established they will want to trade for ready made players, this makes me think putting players up for trade this year for example mcphee, lovett, welsh would be a pore decision.

This year clubs will be looking to keep draft picks, they will be very reluctant to trade but next year the new teams will be looking for ready made talent and will pay more then what they are worth in comparison to teams getting less than they want for players this year.. i think some players will need to be considered for trade. welsh and lovett could be examples however i think lovett would be lucky to get something around pick 20 for this year in comparison to possibly getting a mid first round pick for next year.
 

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the thing is though is that when the teams are established they will want to trade for ready made players, this makes me think putting players up for trade this year for example mcphee, lovett, welsh would be a pore decision.

This year clubs will be looking to keep draft picks, they will be very reluctant to trade but next year the new teams will be looking for ready made talent and will pay more then what they are worth in comparison to teams getting less than they want for players this year.. i think some players will need to be considered for trade. welsh and lovett could be examples however i think lovett would be lucky to get something around pick 20 for this year in comparison to possibly getting a mid first round pick for next year.

That is a very, very good point.

I like the way you think.
 
I've been banging on about staggering the gold coast picks for a while now.

Is a simple and sensible sollution that would be good enough for all parties.
 
For the first 2 yrs ...yes give them priority BUT after that ..no .
If they cant win then let them sink .
Tasmania should have been chosen ahead of the new teams in NSW and Qld.
They will win and Fremantle in 10 yrs still wont have won a Grand Final ahead of the new teams.:D
 
Exactly, we have bottomed out early enough. Teams like WCE, Freo and Kangas are screwed. They are slipping now, and will miss one or more years of draft potential due the the GC and Sydney franchise.

WCE?

I think we'll be OK. We added a host of young players in 2007 before we became awful (largely due to the Judd trade), and are on track to finish at the Carlton end of the ladder in 2008 and add more.

Agree that the concessions to GC should not be over the top, particularly after they start playing.
 

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