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Flock of spuds said:
Allan has the same amount of centre clearances for the season as Long (both on 4) whilst attending only 15 CBA vs Long's 98.

Anderson has had 2 CC from 60 CBA also as comparison.

Needs a solid block of games where he plays mid and more than 60% gametime to build his confidence. The current mids ain't getting it done so we need to try different things in a development year.
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Actually an insane stat.

I’m all for a midfield mix of Nick, Jordy, Anderson and Allan.
 
satty said:
That's the thing. This is his output when he is supposed to be in his peak years.
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His output in that wing role is still significantly more than Allan’s in the same. I don’t necessarily think they should be in competition with one another as Allan’s hope for long term success is not in Lipinski’s role
 
Flock of spuds said:
Allan has the same amount of centre clearances for the season as Long (both on 4) whilst attending only 15 CBA vs Long's 98.

Anderson has had 2 CC from 60 CBA also as comparison.

Needs a solid block of games where he plays mid and more than 60% gametime to build his confidence. The current mids ain't getting it done so we need to try different things in a development year.
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Spot on!
 

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You need to allow the link to properly embed Dave. It's just a blank facebook link. Probably better off posting screenshots mate. Less risk of the link embed messing up when you post it.
 
Flock of spuds said:
Allan has the same amount of centre clearances for the season as Long (both on 4) whilst attending only 15 CBA vs Long's 98.

Anderson has had 2 CC from 60 CBA also as comparison.

Needs a solid block of games where he plays mid and more than 60% gametime to build his confidence. The current mids ain't getting it done so we need to try different things in a development year.
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I hope Ed becomes a star for the Pies, but those stats are somewhat misleading.

* Ed's ratio (26% CC/CBA) is on a small sample (3 of his 4 were Friday). League best (for regular CBAs) is around 17% (Cripps, Mccluggage). Pendles & Naicos are 12-14%.

* Long/Anderson CC/CBA are pretty close to JDG (6/115) - maybe the setups they're in favour Naicos/Pendles as the 'hit to'? On Friday there was no Pendles and Naicos only attended 46% CBAs (he's usually 80%), so Ed got more of a look. Friday they mostly went with JDG in CBA (but not Long or Anderson). That probably changes with Pendles returning and Nick back in more CBA.

The other thing to look at is converting "1st poss to Clearance" - most mids go at 60-80% (including Long & Anderson). Ed is going at 30%. Hopefully that's just a small sample too, but getting that and his score involvements up would be a win for all.
 
he 100% will de dropped for this weeks game, even if he’ had 40 possessions he would still be dropped which unfortunately will mean he will request a trade at the end of the year.
 
magpies2013 said:
he 100% will de dropped for this weeks game, even if he’ had 40 possessions he would still be dropped which unfortunately will mean he will request a trade at the end of the year.
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Level headed take
 
Which ever level Ed plays at the moment he seems to be improving. I wanted he to get a block of games in the VFL rather than a return last week. I was wrong, his AFL game was just what he needed. Fringe players frequently move. I want Ed at the pies and I want improvement. I want him to fight for his place by improving. If he leaves at the end of the year at least his value has increased. Play well Ed.
 

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WanderingDude said:
Which ever level Ed plays at the moment he seems to be improving. I wanted he to get a block of games in the VFL rather than a return last week. I was wrong, his AFL game was just what he needed. Fringe players frequently move. I want Ed at the pies and I want improvement. I want him to fight for his place by improving. If he leaves at the end of the year at least his value has increased. Play well Ed.
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There's 3 clubs chasing him for a reason. I can see another Gini **** up coming because we don't know how to get the best out of him
 
manicpie said:
There's 3 clubs chasing him for a reason. I can see another Gini **** up coming because we don't know how to get the best out of him
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We have had players like Callum Brown and Jarrod Blair who looked fully developed and played his best footy fairy early and then we have players like Allan who still dont look fully developed after 5 years in the system. I think because of his height he still hasnt grown fully into his body. Allan over all hasn't been great, but he is improving every year. He is starting to look like a player and I think with a bit more muscle and physical development he could get to Ginnis level (although play a totally different role).
Let's take a risk and give him a 2 year extension.
 
Flock of spuds said:
Allan has the same amount of centre clearances for the season as Long (both on 4) whilst attending only 15 CBA vs Long's 98.

Anderson has had 2 CC from 60 CBA also as comparison.

Needs a solid block of games where he plays mid and more than 60% gametime to build his confidence. The current mids ain't getting it done so we need to try different things in a development year.
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The stats for this year are somewhat misleading when viewed in isolation but moreso when people are trying to compare the effectiveness of Allan vs Long

Breaking the data down further (using the Wheelo Ratings figures) suggests that the majority of Ed Allan’s clearances are coming from secondary receives or loose-ball gets, rather than from winning the initial contested possession himself.

Allan has recorded just two first possessions from stoppage, and those resulted in a successful team clearance only 30% of the time, which may indicate limited effectiveness or poorer disposal once he wins the ball (handballing into the back of teammates doesn't help). His clearance numbers are also significantly inflated by the fact he attends so few centre bounces, meaning even small outputs heavily skew his clearance-per-attendance percentage.

By comparison, Ned Long’s numbers present a much stronger inside-midfield profile. Long attends almost four times as many CBAs, wins more first possessions at stoppage, and converts those first possessions into successful team clearances more than 71% of the time — a figure considered elite at AFL level. This is occurring while he is regularly taking the toughest midfield match-up and carrying a far greater stoppage workload.

I would be happy in trading Allan (and Long) out if there is interest in him.

This is why it is important that we make a strong play for Lachie Neale.

Lachie Neale would significantly improve Collingwood’s midfield because he is in a different stratosphere across all statistics. He is an elite first-possession and clearance midfielder who consistently wins contested ball and drives successful stoppage exits. His arrival would immediately strengthen Collingwood’s inside midfield, someone who can feed Naicos and lessen the need to continue developing Ned Long as a primary stoppage player, given Neale already provides that role at an elite AFL standard.
 
Roverjg said:
The stats for this year are somewhat misleading when viewed in isolation but moreso when people are trying to compare the effectiveness of Allan vs Long

Breaking the data down further (using the Wheelo Ratings figures) suggests that the majority of Ed Allan’s clearances are coming from secondary receives or loose-ball gets, rather than from winning the initial contested possession himself.

Allan has recorded just two first possessions from stoppage, and those resulted in a successful team clearance only 30% of the time, which may indicate limited effectiveness or poorer disposal once he wins the ball (handballing into the back of teammates doesn't help). His clearance numbers are also significantly inflated by the fact he attends so few centre bounces, meaning even small outputs heavily skew his clearance-per-attendance percentage.

By comparison, Ned Long’s numbers present a much stronger inside-midfield profile. Long attends almost four times as many CBAs, wins more first possessions at stoppage, and converts those first possessions into successful team clearances more than 71% of the time — a figure considered elite at AFL level. This is occurring while he is regularly taking the toughest midfield match-up and carrying a far greater stoppage workload.

I would be happy in trading Allan (and Long) out if there is interest in him.

This is why it is important that we make a strong play for Lachie Neale.

Lachie Neale would significantly improve Collingwood’s midfield because he is in a different stratosphere across all statistics. He is an elite first-possession and clearance midfielder who consistently wins contested ball and drives successful stoppage exits. His arrival would immediately strengthen Collingwood’s inside midfield, someone who can feed Naicos and lessen the need to continue developing Ned Long as a primary stoppage player, given Neale already provides that role at an elite AFL standard.
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Neale obviously doesn't suit out age profile, but he would be a shortish term fix for us relying too heavily on Nick.
He is a UFA, so he wouldn't cost anything in trade, and he's a proven elite player.
 
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Roverjg said:
I would be happy in trading Allan (and Long) out if there is interest in him.

This is why it is important that we make a strong play for Lachie Neale.
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Recruiting Neal is fine in the short term, but recruiting Neal and trading out two 23 year olds (one is contracted until 2027) as Pendles, Sidey retire, crisp the wrong side of 30 is not the way to go.
 
Abdul_The_Bull said:
Recruiting Neale would be the greatest mistake this club could make. Too old and poor character. Doesn't add anything to Collingwood's development long term.
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Yes he is old but he is according to Champion Data the 6th best rated player in the AFL this season. We need someone to extract the ball to Nick instead of him doing it all. When talking of poor character you could arguably rule out a 3rd of any playing list. He does add to our development because he would provide a buffer whilst allowing our youngsters (Anderson, Swadling) to develop and gain experience without being thrown to the wolves.
 
manicpie said:
There's 3 clubs chasing him for a reason. I can see another Gini **** up coming because we don't know how to get the best out of him
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I tend to agree but I think it also needs to click for him, he’s an almost there type, I am hoping for a so called breakout game and when would there ever be a better time, 90k + in the stands against a Club that has rumoured interest from his home State.

I think it’s happening
 

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