Player Watch Ed Allan

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

Must keep this bloke in the side. He should be insulted if Long gets selected ahead of him.

 

[Horaceg]

If we give him the run with roles, he will find out where needs to be pretty quickly and how a player like Harley finds it.

 

[sherrife]

He's still very mediocre for a 4th year player, and I still think he probably won't make it. But we're not spoilt for midfield options, and he has more upside than Long, HDM, Sulli, etc. So I'm for giving him another year and hoping he comes good. Or would happily trade him for a second rounder.

 

[Ted Parker]

One thing you can never coach is instinct, it's innate. It's a quality that separates sportsmen and athletes alike from the mediocre.
Reality is he's not an instinctive type of player and with that will never evolve as the player and into the position we need, in order to compete against the league's best.

 

[Roverjg]

Must keep this bloke in the side. He should be insulted if Long gets selected ahead of him.

I understand the argument for keeping Ed Allan in the side all year is about development and confidence. Fair enough. But selection still has to mean something.

Right now, Allan simply isn’t getting enough of the ball or making enough impact when he does get it. Across these games, the pattern is pretty clear: (Stats obtained from Wheelo Match Stats)

• His disposal volume is consistently low for a midfielder/wing rotation
• He rarely generates scoreboard impact
• Limited defensive pressure
• He consistently falls away in last quarters
• Yesterday he had just 8 disposals despite reasonable centre-bounce exposure

The Sydney and West Coast games were especially quiet, while even his better games lacked damaging moments or strong influence around the contest

Allan’s statistics suggests he is neither accumulating nor hurting opposition teams with his possessions.

His last quarter drop-offs suggest either: a lack of endurance; an inability to stay involved mentally, or inability to influence games once intensity rises.

Young players such as Allan do need continuity, but there’s a difference between developing a player and gifting games. His continual inclusion is OK if we are in the development or rebuilding phase, other than a team chasing finals. But he does not produce enough to guarantee selection regardless of form

 

[gouki88]

I understand the argument for keeping Ed Allan in the side all year is about development and confidence. Fair enough. But selection still has to mean something.

Right now, Allan simply isn’t getting enough of the ball or making enough impact when he does get it. Across these games, the pattern is pretty clear: (Stats obtained from Wheelo Match Stats)

• His disposal volume is consistently low for a midfielder/wing rotation
• He rarely generates scoreboard impact
• Limited defensive pressure
• He consistently falls away in last quarters
• Yesterday he had just 8 disposals despite reasonable centre-bounce exposure

The Sydney and West Coast games were especially quiet, while even his better games lacked damaging moments or strong influence around the contest

Allan’s statistics suggests he is neither accumulating nor hurting opposition teams with his possessions.

His last quarter drop-offs suggest either: a lack of endurance; an inability to stay involved mentally, or inability to influence games once intensity rises.

Young players such as Allan do need continuity, but there’s a difference between developing a player and gifting games. His continual inclusion is OK if we are in the development or rebuilding phase, other than a team chasing finals. But he does not produce enough to guarantee selection regardless of form

The lack of touches was frustrating, but he ran with Reid pretty well and kept his influence much less significant than it had been in recent weeks.

 

[Mick F]

One thing you can never coach is instinct, it's innate. It's a quality that separates sportsmen and athletes alike from the mediocre.
Reality is he's not an instinctive type of player and with that will never evolve as the player and into the position we need, in order to compete against the league's best.

We had what I would rate as 10 good/fine footballers in our 23 Saturday. We don’t have the luxury of playing only guns.

 

[sr36]

One thing you can never coach is instinct, it's innate. It's a quality that separates sportsmen and athletes alike from the mediocre.
Reality is he's not an instinctive type of player and with that will never evolve as the player and into the position we need, in order to compete against the league's best.

Tend to agree - reading it and reacting quicker is what seperates the guns. Might still end up a decent player though.

 

[ksardog]

We really need to find a way to get advantage from his natural pace, one way to do it is from a kick out, we need to have him be the one to break away to the open side of the ground and utilise him in this way.
If he can’t find the ball, feed him the ball
Otherwise he will just be that player who gets 10 possessions a game with minimal impact

 

[Seedsfan]

I understand the argument for keeping Ed Allan in the side all year is about development and confidence. Fair enough. But selection still has to mean something.

Right now, Allan simply isn’t getting enough of the ball or making enough impact when he does get it. Across these games, the pattern is pretty clear: (Stats obtained from Wheelo Match Stats)

• His disposal volume is consistently low for a midfielder/wing rotation
• He rarely generates scoreboard impact
• Limited defensive pressure
• He consistently falls away in last quarters
• Yesterday he had just 8 disposals despite reasonable centre-bounce exposure

The Sydney and West Coast games were especially quiet, while even his better games lacked damaging moments or strong influence around the contest

Allan’s statistics suggests he is neither accumulating nor hurting opposition teams with his possessions.

His last quarter drop-offs suggest either: a lack of endurance; an inability to stay involved mentally, or inability to influence games once intensity rises.

Young players such as Allan do need continuity, but there’s a difference between developing a player and gifting games. His continual inclusion is OK if we are in the development or rebuilding phase, other than a team chasing finals. But he does not produce enough to guarantee selection regardless of form

Are we gifting him games we drop him every chance we get

 

[Vicky Park]

Others have said that he’s getting to position - more often? - but that he’s being ignored/burned by his teammates.

That’s a familiarity/chemistry thing that can improve over time.

Can’t believe I’m making positive posts about Allan. And that after four years he’s finally showing something. God knows we need it, or at least we need some hope to come out of this up and down (mostly down) season. Even if it only serves to increase Allan’s value to other clubs.

 

[Bianconeri]

I think it’s odd that a 9 possession game from a midfielder is considered promising.

 

[Dtennent94]

I think it’s odd that a 9 possession game from a midfielder is considered promising.

He did better in some of the things he usually really sucks at.

His strengths abandoned him to some extent, but you assume he can bring that back and hopefully he maintains the improvement in the other areas.

 

[Sea fog]

I think it’s odd that a 9 possession game from a midfielder is considered promising.

True but he tackled well and could have more touches but for play on advantage calls, plus he had the least game time for us bar Moore. 1 other thing is that he was in good position to receive the ball a number of times but was ignored.

 

[kpsmagpies]

Jumped on here thinking the fella would be getting delisted and it’s actually pretty positive and I’m glad as without checking stats and being at the game I thought he had a bigger impact than stats showed, especially the first half. Seemed absolutely invested and the same vigour he shows at vfl level as he did last week. Not perfect but would like to see him play a string of games in the middle and then make our choice.

 

[Rorzza]

True but he tackled well and could have more touches but for play on advantage calls, plus he had the least game time for us bar Moore. 1 other thing is that he was in good position to receive the ball a number of times but was ignored.

Yep, synergy!

 

[gouki88]

I think it’s odd that a 9 possession game from a midfielder is considered promising.

It’s the 30+ pressure acts for me. A 6 foot 4 McCreery!

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

It’s the 30+ pressure acts for me. A 6 foot 4 McCreery!

But pressure acts also mean you don't have the football. Which for a midfielder is really kinda the point.

 

[Vicky Park]

I think it’s odd that a 9 possession game from a midfielder is considered promising.

Fair point. But it’s the way Allan went about getting the possessions - he finally looked eager, there was more ‘want’ to be involved.

 

[gouki88]

But pressure acts also mean you don't have the football. Which for a midfielder is really kinda the point.

I think it’s naive to think disposal numbers are all that count. Obviously 9 disposals is poor, but his defensive work (particularly on Reid) was valuable

 

[Bianconeri]

It’s the 30+ pressure acts for me. A 6 foot 4 McCreery!

This is where Ned Long was at a couple years ago.

Fair point. But it’s the way Allan went about getting the possessions - he finally looked eager, there was more ‘want’ to be involved.

Hopefully the want translates into actually getting involved soon.

 

[gouki88]

This is where Ned Long was at a couple years ago.



Hopefully the want translates into actually getting involved soon.

Ned Long averaged less than 9 disposals a game 2 years ago, it was an outlier for Ed. Not sure what the equivalence is there

 

[Bianconeri]

Ned Long averaged less than 9 disposals a game 2 years ago, it was an outlier for Ed. Not sure what the equivalence is there

A Ned Long from two years ago level game is being praised here.

 

[gouki88]

A Ned Long from two years ago level game is being praised here.

Ned never sniffed a 32 pressure act game then. It’s just not a comparison I see. People are praising Allan addressing a serious deficiency in his game in defensive work, I don’t get what is hard to comprehend there

 

[peter9789]

I understand the argument for keeping Ed Allan in the side all year is about development and confidence. Fair enough. But selection still has to mean something.

Right now, Allan simply isn’t getting enough of the ball or making enough impact when he does get it. Across these games, the pattern is pretty clear: (Stats obtained from Wheelo Match Stats)

• His disposal volume is consistently low for a midfielder/wing rotation
• He rarely generates scoreboard impact
• Limited defensive pressure
• He consistently falls away in last quarters
• Yesterday he had just 8 disposals despite reasonable centre-bounce exposure

The Sydney and West Coast games were especially quiet, while even his better games lacked damaging moments or strong influence around the contest

Allan’s statistics suggests he is neither accumulating nor hurting opposition teams with his possessions.

His last quarter drop-offs suggest either: a lack of endurance; an inability to stay involved mentally, or inability to influence games once intensity rises.

Young players such as Allan do need continuity, but there’s a difference between developing a player and gifting games. His continual inclusion is OK if we are in the development or rebuilding phase, other than a team chasing finals. But he does not produce enough to guarantee selection regardless of form

100% couldn't agree more.

Just doesn't impact the contest. Looks comfortable at VFL level but out of his depth at AFL. He will be given games this year when he most likely doesn't deserve to, so let's see what his output is like. He won't be delisted this year given we have a conga line of players who will be ahead of him, but surely there would be massive concerns over his future