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So, two senior players down for the year (pending LARS)......who gets elevated onto the Senior list?
 
No one, yet.

No one rookie has shown enough to play round 1, and up til then we can play the rookies anyway.

You don't promote anyone until you want to select them in your senior side, because their salary comes under the salary cap, and to say we are tight in that region is an understatement, although Caff and Krak not getting match payments might help.
 
I doubt the match payments are a problem at all in view of the fact that Krak and Caff won't be getting any and they are budgeted for, so any promoted rookie's wage will only be replacing the injured player.

The real issue is that there is absolutely no need to promote any rookie until they are to be selected in the side for the season proper.

The only positive (very loose one and I don't mean this cruely) out of the injuries is that our rookies have an enormous incentive to impress because if they are good enough they will get a game. There is no red tape to worry about or juggling of stuff.
 

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Kirby is that right, are you sure, that Caff and Krak get no pay?

You'd know a whole lot better than me, but surely with a contract ( depends of course what it says) they'd have a contract with the CFC for the season for $xxx, whether they play in the ones, the twos, are injured, or even suspended )

Back on topic, sorry OP, agree that we'd only elevate someone when we are actually going to give them a game in the seniors.
 
Swooop said:
Kirby is that right, are you sure, that Caff and Krak get no pay?
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Under the new CBA (maybe even under the old one) players who miss games solely because of injury still get some form of payment above their base payment, but it's not the same as playing every game.

I think Kirby is right though, the salary cap won't come into it, but we won't put anyone on the list unless we intend to select them in a home and away or finals match.

Come round 12 also, we will be able to put another rookie on the list, so by mid year we could have 3 rookies promoted if we want to.
 
They certainly get their base payment.

They don't get match payments but I think they may get some additional pay in the case of injury that doesn't go against our cap. I could be wrong and I'm happy to be corrected by those in the know.
 
I posted at he same time as Matty and see we posted the same thing more or less.

I've certainly seen reference to "injury payments" in the past, and I'm not sure that they count against the salary cap. I'm pretty sure they don't (at least for those on the long term injury list).
 
Here's what the previous CBA said (page 63 if you want to read the whole section);

http://www.afl.com.au/portals/0/afl...collective_bargaining_agreement_2007_2011.pdf

11.1 (a) Where a Player:
(i) suffers a Final Year Injury; and
(ii) makes an application to the AFL for compensation in accordance
with this sub-paragraph,
the AFL Club shall pay that Player 50% of the Player’s contract base
payment as at the last year of the Contract.
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The only information on the new CBA regarding injury payments was this in the news release;

• Package of injury compensation improvements for current and former AFL players
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4.7 Football payments to a Rookie:

(a) while on the Rookie List; and/or

(b) while on the Primary List to replace a long term injured Player,

shall not be included in the Total Player Payments of an AFL Club provided that if
the Rookie remains on the Primary List when the long term injured Player is
reinstated to the Primary List, Football Payments received by the Rookie in respect
of the period after the long term injured Player is reinstated (“the date of
reinstatement”) will be included in the Total Player Payments. Those amounts shall
include a monthly pro-rata amount of the base payment calculated from the date of
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reinstatement and also include all Senior Match payments for Matches played on or
after that date.


You can see from the above rule that regardless of what is paid to the injured player, that payments made to the promoted rookie (when replacing an injured player) are not counted in the salary cap.
 
11.4 Except where paragraph 11.1 applies, an AFL Player who suffers an injury as a
result of which he is unfit to play football in the AFL Competition, which injury is
caused:

(a) by playing football in a Match; or

(b) at an official training session; or

(c) by attending an official AFL Club function; or

(d) whilst on official club duties at the direction of the AFL Club,

shall, provided the Player has not caused such injury by his own negligence, be
compensated as follows:

(i) 100% of Senior Match payments at the rate for the relevant competition
[AFL or State Body if the Player is entitled to State Body payments] in
which the injury was suffered or at the rate for the relevant competition for
the Match last played prior to the injury, for all Matches missed up to a
maximum of 30 Matches provided that:

(A) an Exhibition Match shall be treated as a Senior Match for the
purposes of this paragraph;
(B) if a Player plays the last match of the AFL Season for his club in the
AFL Competition and is required by his Club to continue playing in
the State Body Competition, the Player shall be treated as having
been injured in a Senior Match in the AFL Competition;
(C) if a Player is required to play in the State Body Competition on a
weekend when the player’s AFL Club is not playing a Match in the
AFL Competition and the Player’s previous Match was a Senior
Match in the AFL Competition, the Player shall be treated as having
been injured in a Senior Match in the AFL Competition;

The above section indicates that injured players are paid match payments dependent upon the level of their last match (more or less, according to the formula).
 
Regardless, the promotion of either one or two Rookies will be playing on the minds of the coaching staff. Given that there is an 8 week minimum for promotion and we have lost two mobile forwards, who do you feel warrants the gamble of promotion?
 
Marley Williams looked handy enough around the goals the other week, I'd give him some consideration if he strings together some decent form across the rest of the pre season.
 

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We still have just as good options from our relatively unexposed draft picks from the last few years....apart from Fas none of them have been given much of a chance.

Ugle, Sinclair, J.Thomas, T.Young they would all be pushing for a spot ahead of any on the rookie list.

Unless a bloke is banging down the door and would come straight into the AFL team, no need to elevate anybody.
 
Hartley's a long way from AFL yet IMO, and with Reid/Brown/Tarrant/Keeffe/Maxwell/Goldsack all fit and firing we're pretty covered down back
 
If you're being honest, we have a very weak rookie list this year, maybe one of the weakest we've had in years.

Farmer and Stubbs have no chance of making it, I still don't understand why they were re rookied.

Hartley, Smith and Williams are all promising, but I'd be shocked if any of the 3 played a senior game this year.

And then there's the internationals, McNamara, Cribbin and Mooney, and from what I've seen none of them are close to senior selection any time soon either.

So, we have 2 spare spots on our list now, but realistically no one to promote to be there, thanks AFL for giving GWS and GC so many rookie picks that it's been next to impossible to have a rookie list in 2012.:cool:
 
A bit premature to dismiss all of our rookies.

The opportunity is there for one of them to stick their hand up and give it a real crack.

It might be the last one they ever get.

If there's anything positive to come out of our injury situation, it's that - an opportunity has been presented to someone. Hopefully one of them grabs it with both hands.
 

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If one of them play enough good VFL footy to demand a game in the AFL side then promote him by all means but until then leave the incentive for all of them and use the salary cap saving to front load someone else.
 
sloth6 said:
A bit premature to dismiss all of our rookies.

The opportunity is there for one of them to stick their hand up and give it a real crack.

It might be the last one they ever get.

If there's anything positive to come out of our injury situation, it's that - an opportunity has been presented to someone. Hopefully one of them grabs it with both hands.
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Our own version of the Jeremy Lin story would be cool ;)
 
Dangle the carrot in front of all of them and tell them the two best performing players from the first 4 rounds of the VFL will be promoted.
 
No one - FULL STOP.

Our rookies must earn their spots. Just because there are two senior spots available does not mean that we should promote. We have plenty of talent on our senior list miles ahead of our rookies that SHOULD get opportunity before any of our rookies. Seedsman, Sinclair, Ugle, Young, Yagmoor, Elliott, Rounds, Keefe, J.Thomas (if ever fit)....the list goes on. All of these guys deserve a chance before the rookies.

Based on two cr@ppy round robin games the only players that have a chance of getting a promotion across the course of the season are Williams and McNamara. Even they are the longest of long shots at this early stage.
 
Thought it'd be a good time to bump this thread ...

We now have 4 injuries listed as "indefinate", 3 known long term injuries (Caff, Krak, Ball) and 1 unspecified (J.Thomas)

There is uncertainty about whether Dids and Brown will be right for senior selection yet.

There are question marks over BJ and Jolly's fitness.

Tarrant and Reid are out injured.

There is general poor form right across the team, with very little competition for spots.

We have a 4 day turnaround coming up between the Port and ANZAC day games - even before you factor in the problem of our last quarter fadeouts.

Could this week be the time for a big announcement out of the Westpac Centre with a Rookie Promotion?

Could this be Shae's big chance? Or will Marley get the callup? Or ...?
 

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