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Bradesmaen said:
You can't be removed from the roll unless you are living overseas or have a mental impairment (like dementia etc).

Just read the AEC website for once in your life. You don't have to. They can't find out who did what on any paper..
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From the AEC website:


Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and take it to an individual voting booth, mark it, fold the ballot paper and place it in the ballot box.

It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to attend the polling place and have your name marked off, and this has been upheld by a number of legal decisions:

  • High Court 1926 – Judd v McKeon (1926) 38 CLR 380
  • Supreme Court of Victoria 1970 – Lubcke v Little [1970] VR 807
  • High Court 1971 – Faderson v Bridger (1971) 126 CLR 271
  • Supreme Court of Queensland 1974 – Krosch v Springbell; ex parte
  • Krosch [1974] QdR 107
  • ACT Supreme Court 1981 – O'Brien v Warden (1981) 37 ACTR 13
 
R Chee Manning said:
From the AEC website:


Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and take it to an individual voting booth, mark it, fold the ballot paper and place it in the ballot box.

It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to attend the polling place and have your name marked off, and this has been upheld by a number of legal decisions:

  • High Court 1926 – Judd v McKeon (1926) 38 CLR 380
  • Supreme Court of Victoria 1970 – Lubcke v Little [1970] VR 807
  • High Court 1971 – Faderson v Bridger (1971) 126 CLR 271
  • Supreme Court of Queensland 1974 – Krosch v Springbell; ex parte
  • Krosch [1974] QdR 107
  • ACT Supreme Court 1981 – O'Brien v Warden (1981) 37 ACTR 13
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And they are going to find you not marking it in a secret ballot how?
 
Bradesmaen said:
And they are going to find you not marking it in a secret ballot how?
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Average thread but I will play. I have been sent more than one penalty notice when living in the UK ie to my old Vic address. Even after telling them i was o/s (with evidence) they tried to fine me for not voting. Took a bit of effort to get off the electoral roll. I was amazed at how seriously they took it.

NB "appear to have failed to vote but who have died"

Seriously who could come up with something like that?

https://www.aec.gov.au/about_aec/publications/backgrounders/compulsory-voting.htm

Under subsection 245(4) of the Electoral Act and subsection 45(4) of the Referendum Act, the DRO is not required to send a penalty notice to electors who:
  • appear to have failed to vote but who have died;
  • were absent from Australia on polling day,
  • were known to be ineligible to vote at the election or referendum; or
  • who have supplied a valid and sufficient reason for not voting.
 

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medusala said:
Average thread but I will play. I have been sent more than one penalty notice when living in the UK ie to my old Vic address. Even after telling them i was o/s (with evidence) they tried to fine me for not voting. Took a bit of effort to get off the electoral roll. I was amazed at how seriously they took it.

NB "appear to have failed to vote but who have died"

Seriously who could come up with something like that?

https://www.aec.gov.au/about_aec/publications/backgrounders/compulsory-voting.htm

Under subsection 245(4) of the Electoral Act and subsection 45(4) of the Referendum Act, the DRO is not required to send a penalty notice to electors who:
  • appear to have failed to vote but who have died;
  • were absent from Australia on polling day,
  • were known to be ineligible to vote at the election or referendum; or
  • who have supplied a valid and sufficient reason for not voting.
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That's not related to that part though. I was more referring to leaving a ballot paper blank and stuffing it in the box.
 
R Chee Manning said:
I could drive down my street right now without wearing a seatbelt. No one would catch me.

Doesn't make it any less illegal.

Just stating the law.
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It's not illegal. AEC has provided that information before.
 
Bradesmaen said:
That's not related to that part though.
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Yes true. I was always under the impression you just had to turn up and have name ticked off. I struggle to think that someone would go to the lengths of fining you even after you had made the effort to turn up and get ticked off the list (regardless of what the law says - on which I dont know finer details and have little interest).

I find this much ado about nothing. If you want to vote, then vote

If you dont, then come up with a decent excuse.

I chose box B. Each to their own.
 
You will see over the next fortnight so many creative examples on how to mark a ballot paper.
 
Cap said:
I agree end compulsory voting

the only people that would be worried would the parties who like to prey on the uninformed voter (with uncosted unrealistic promises) who under compulsory voting probably wouldn't go. I think this would force parties to be way more honest in there approach to the election
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I know this is an olllllllld post but whatever.

This isn't the case. Living in America, I've found their politics to be phenomenally stupid and dishonest. What happens when you have voluntary voting is that politicians will say anything to get their 'base riled up, because they need them to get out and vote. They can't be taken for granted.

Sounds great in theory, but in practice it means politics get a lot more extreme, and a feedback loop is created between the politician and base where they willingly believe Less and less rational things, to the point where you end up with Ted Cruz explaining that they need a space force to stop space piracy, and no one bats an eyelid.

I agree that compulsory voting is probably ideologically immoral, but **** me I'll take practical results over ideology if it leads to this kind of dumpster fire. If the cost of freedom is a few minutes of civic duty every few years then so be it.
 
Fire said:
I agree that compulsory voting is probably ideologically immoral, but **** me I'll take practical results over ideology if it leads to this kind of dumpster fire. If the cost of freedom is a few minutes of civic duty every few years then so be it.
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Practical results? Like the current state of politics in Australia is a prime example of the merits of compulsory voting? To be held-up as some kind of international standard?
 
Bradesmaen said:
No, you don't. Read the AEC website. All you have to do is attend the polling booth. After that you can draw a donkey on there if you want, leave it blank etc. It is then tossed out as an informal vote.

Go back to NZ if you love it so much.
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No.

As the AEC states: 'Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and take it to an individual voting booth, mark it, fold the ballot paper and place it in the ballot box.'

That is the legislated duty of electors.
 

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Walt Kowalski said:
Just someone who knows a photo opportunity when she senses one.
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Yeah I'm sure that's all there is to it... because she's not an Aussie she'll never be the real deal. Australians are the greatest people to have ever walked the face of the earth.
 

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R Chee Manning said:
No.

As the AEC states: 'Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and take it to an individual voting booth, mark it, fold the ballot paper and place it in the ballot box.'

That is the legislated duty of electors.
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Voting is incredibly over-rated in this country...

I just went down to the local scout hall and waited for about 15 mins to vote...

Clearly most of the people there voting did not want to be there...

The nerdy party volunteers and sentimentally-minded AEC workers were getting all teary-eyed as were the people jingoistically cooking 'democracy sausages'...

But as for the rest of us... most obviously just thought it a hassle...



Online voluntary voting should be the way of the future... for those who can be bothered.
 
R Chee Manning said:
Voting is incredibly over-rated in this country...

I just went down to the local scout hall and waited for about 15 mins to vote...

Clearly most of the people there voting did not want to be there...

The nerdy party volunteers and sentimentally-minded AEC workers were getting all teary-eyed as were the people jingoistically cooking 'democracy sausages'...

But as for the rest of us... most obviously just thought it a hassle...



Online voluntary voting should be the way of the future... for those who can be bothered.
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The post of a moron. End thread.
 
R Chee Manning said:
Voting is incredibly over-rated in this country...

I just went down to the local scout hall and waited for about 15 mins to vote...

Clearly most of the people there voting did not want to be there...

The nerdy party volunteers and sentimentally-minded AEC workers were getting all teary-eyed as were the people jingoistically cooking 'democracy sausages'...

But as for the rest of us... most obviously just thought it a hassle...



Online voluntary voting should be the way of the future... for those who can be bothered.
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Yeah, but unlike most people, you aren't that bright
 

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