Expectations of Draft Picks

[The Exorcist]

What should we expect from high draft picks?

For example, Yaz has played only a few AFL games this year but is beginning to show great signs in the Bullants. In the long term, he could be very, very good and well worth pick 7.

JR, after a number of years finding his feet, is beginning to show strong signs also and could be another valuable player in the long term.

Gibbs, Murphy & Kruz were in the seniors from the start, with Murphy & Kruz especially having a great start to their careers

Reiwoldt played many reserve games before playing seniors.

So should a high draft pick be expected to "star" from the moment they're drafted, or should the pick be made on the long term prospects that player should give the club even though, at the time of the pick, it is very likely that the player will play many games in the reserves in their first one or two years before realising their potential?

(I'm also referring to young draft picks, not people like Stevens who were recruited from other clubs and placed in the seniors from the start)

 

[thylacine60]

Crikey, Yaz slipped to 7?

 

[Dennis]

Crikey, Yaz slipped to 7?

I think he meant it should have been pick 76 that we picked Yarran...around the same mark as Fish

...sorry, couldn't help myself

I hope we get a decent key position player like Hurley who can slot right in

 

[The Exorcist]

Crikey, Yaz slipped to 7?

7 comes after 5, don't it?

 

[thylacine60]

7 comes after 5, don't it?

Does now, PriestWhoRemovesDemonsFromSpewingChildren.

 

[Silvagnis]

7 comes after 5, don't it?

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=7

 

[parrot]

This is a very good topic actually. When you say "expectations" you have to define whose "expectations". Obviously from a supporter point of view, we'd like any high draftee to have an immediate impact. But the reality is different players NEED different development programs. The Club therefore may have way different expectations. If you short-cut their development, you can stuff things up long term. One classic example of development gone wrong is Dale Thomas. From day 1 he was made an unaccountable small forward, and fell into bad habits. After the Pies realised he couldn't make it as a small forward, they moved him into other positions, but because he hadn't developed his fitness base properly or the defensive side of his game, he's really struggled, and is playing catchup now.

Players like Murph and Rich basically hit the ground running from day 1, but that's just because of the type of player they are i.e. small midfielders.

Gibbs was really put through an apprenticeship by the Blues during his first year. He didn't have an impact in year 1, but that development effort has paid off massively now. Yarran's a specialist forward at this stage, and we've decided to round out his development before exposing him to the big stage. A great decision IMO.

Russell is one player who understandably has tested the patience of many Carlton supporters, but is now showing something very promising after being shown a lot of faith and support from the coaching staff.

I guess we're all impatient and want immediate results, but the focus should really be on making the player the best they can become in 2-3 years time.

 

[Salaryman]

you know what parrot, your parochialism goes up to 11, but you still manage to make a lot more sense than 99.99% of posters on here.

You work on the old adage that the truth hurts, like shooting fish in a barrel

 

[Stig O'Hara]

So, by consensus G'72 and the Avian one,
what are our expectations.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

So, by consensus G'72 and the Avian one,
what are our best expectations?

Your call, Woody.

 

[Salaryman]

Woody would say:

"To you I'm an atheist: to Yarran I'm the loyal opposition"

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Woody would say:

"To you I'm an atheist: to Yarran I'm the loyal opposition"

The only thing you are doing right is dirty i believe.

 

[thylacine60]

Talk footy you idiots or blow...

 

[mediumsizered]

An indication of how much depth a team has is how many games they allow their first round draft picks to play in their 1st season at the club.

St Kilda had no need to invest a lot of game time into Tom Lynch, nor did Geelong with Mitchell Brown (although he did suffer a bad injury) or Adelaide with Phil Davis. Ayce Cordy was another one who would not have seen much game time this season, regardless of injuries.

Murphy, Gibbs & Kreuzer played so much football in their 1st seasons because of the strength, (or lack thereof) of our playing list when they were drafted. I would envisage that much like Yarran this season, our 1st round draft pick in this year's draft will be given more time to develop his game/grow his confidence in the VFL next season.

Of course Melbourne chose not to expose Jack Watts to much AFL game time this season, but that had nothing to do with their depth & everything to do with where Watts is at in his development.

Those who want to see immediate success from first year draftees need to be more realistic in their expectations. Some of the game's all time greats have been quite underwhelming at 18 years of age & one of our greatest finals players, Wayne Johnston, was initially rejected by Melbourne, then went & played in the VFA with Prahran, before being recruited to Princes Park.

 

[Salaryman]

The only thing you are doing right is dirty i believe.

something like that

 

[Salaryman]

Talk footy you idiots or blow...

Which movie was that from?

 

[Bluebear]

For me it depends on position.

First round midfielders should be able to come in and have some sort of impact and should expect to play most games in their first year (>15).

KPP's should look to play a couple of games, but because of the body on body needs generally won't be strong enough to play a bulk of games for a couple of years.You really look to see how they read the play, how they position themselves, how they attack the contest and how they use the footy when they get it. Kennedy did all these things well, but was largely ignored by a Fev conscious midfield, and he didn't have the size to hold his position in packs.

Rucks have no right to do anything much before the age of 25. Kreuzer is a freak and has wrecked the expectations for future rucks with his first two years.

Small forwards, I think is the hardest position on the ground in many respects. You aren't a target. You can't just float around stoppages.......but you have to not only read the play of the ball coming in, but know where your forward is going to go, hit the pack at pace then in a split second do something magical.
We saw Betts do little in his first couple of years, then step up the output in years 3 and 4.
Davis did nothing for 7-8 years.......the list goes on and has been published in Yarran based threads.
In this respect Rioli and Garlett (in a forward capacity) are freaks.........though Rioli more a midfielder running forward......still freakish for a first year player last year.

So my take.....depends on position.

 

[Salaryman]

Thylacine was sharp and knew Josh Kennedy would take some time before anybody else latched onto it.....kudos








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