Analysis Fade Outs

[GTOA]

I miss the days of the 60+ point wins.

It is important that we don't fade out, as percentage comes into it. If we concede 5-6 goals in a quarter, then our percentage drops, which affects how high we finish on the ladder.

Also, why can't the opposition kick two or three, but we get the occassional one back during this time, just to keep a distance between us and them? The opposition come back and kick five, and we kick 0. Why can't we get even a goal or two during this time?

Maybe we need to save the game in another way. Start off building a big lead, but then second half, if the other team starts kicking goals, we need to learn to go the flood and stop the other team scoring during that time. This way, we may not score much during this time (which we aren't anyway) but we shut them out from making up the 6-7 goals they need to get near us.

 

[kickazz]

They get tired, you can see it. There were occasions in the third q fri night where we would get posession and you could see we could just not spread as well as we did at the start.

They got a bit of a second wind in the last quarter, especially after Cockatoo's goal, but overall, I just think the age profile of this group means they cannot sustain the kind of run they optimally would like to for a year or so yet.

 

[Bobby_]

I miss the days of the 60+ point wins.

It is important that we don't fade out, as percentage comes into it. If we concede 5-6 goals in a quarter, then our percentage drops, which affects how high we finish on the ladder.

Also, why can't the opposition kick two or three, but we get the occassional one back during this time, just to keep a distance between us and them? The opposition come back and kick five, and we kick 0. Why can't we get even a goal or two during this time?

Maybe we need to save the game in another way. Start off building a big lead, but then second half, if the other team starts kicking goals, we need to learn to go the flood and stop the other team scoring during that time. This way, we may not score much during this time (which we aren't anyway) but we shut them out from making up the 6-7 goals they need to get near us.

This is the most obvious dilemma about the whole fade out topic in my view, the inability to literally go scoreless for what seems like 10, 15 minutes on end.
Almost unthinkable that with so many quality players out there, we can't manage to hit the scoreboard. This has occurred when playing rather average teams as well. Brisbane have recently troubled us. Think back to corresponding games in 2013, where they scored 8 goals in the final term to win after the siren, and then almost pinched it again in the final round of the season (thank god Chappy was there).

 

[David the Cat]

These fade outs are never experienced by good sides like Hawthorn……oh wait…….

 

[Art Vandelay_]

These fade outs are never experienced by good sides like Hawthorn……oh wait…….

I think competition wide it's just something that seems to be happening more than before. Teams getting run ons and then having periods where they don't score. Well that's my perception anyway. It's not just us it's a lot of teams.

 

[David the Cat]

I think competition wide it's just something that seems to be happening more than before. Teams getting run ons and then having periods where they don't score. Well that's my perception anyway. It's not just us it's a lot of teams.

Exactly….refer my post two under the OP……

We have to accept that other teams will have their time…..we just have to try and limit the damage when it happens.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Exactly….refer my post two under the OP……

We have to accept that other teams will have their time…..we just have to try and limit the damage when it happens.

Which is what St.Kilda did vs WB. 20 inside 50's conceded in the first quarter but the saints defence weathered the storm and kept them closer than they would have been. Proved to be decisive in a big comeback.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

I think competition wide it's just something that seems to be happening more than before. Teams getting run ons and then having periods where they don't score. Well that's my perception anyway. It's not just us it's a lot of teams.

Coaches train them that way. Geelong one time had training sessions with next to no warm-up, straight into it, I think for a fortnight. It had the desired effect and we took off and kicked about 8 goals in tear-away first quarter. Motlop was a footy show and blabbed about it. Loose lips and all that. Can come unstuck if the team is all fired up in the first half but kicks 6 goals 15 points.

 

[Teriyakicat]

This is elite level football….no side is going to control a match for the whole game. (or very rarely)….they are not playing a lower level side.

Our fadeouts are when the opposing side takes the ascendancy….this is going to happen, especially with inexperienced players on the park. We won 3 of the four quarters, we outscored them after 1/4 time, even though we had blitzed them early..I think further re-iterating structures and roles and developing skills would be a higher priority this week.

I think we have to be careful not to underestimate the opposition either….….they are elite footballers, and not a bad side….

A 7 goal win is a great result.

Our boys are still learning- as a group- how to control a game when they're not running full bore into attack. Their starting pace was so intense that there was no way they could sustain it for the entire game, so the game ebbed and flowed, as it does in almost every game, every weekend.

Yes, a 7 goal win is a marvellous reward.

 

[kickazz]

Our boys are still learning- as a group- how to control a game when they're not running full bore into attack. Their starting pace was so intense that there was no way they could sustain it for the entire game, so the game ebbed and flowed, as it does in almost every game, every weekend.

Yes, a 7 goal win is a marvellous reward.

Good call. That phrase 'tempo football' comes to mind - they perhaps need to learn how to play 15 mins or so of more kicking, less running, in order to get their breath back.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Good call. That phrase 'tempo football' comes to mind - they perhaps need to learn how to play 15 mins or so of more kicking, less running, in order to get their breath back.

A lot of it will depend on their opponents' fitness, as well as our own ball skills. If our boys are trying to play kick to kick so they can catch their breath, they have to be very accurate with their passes, and able to suck up the pressure of our opponents without dropping their bundle the ball, as one fumble or one mis-kick can result in a quick turnover. I've heard commentators say before that it takes more energy to chase a score than to lead, and the team that has the ball has got the upper hand early is at an advantage.