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Byron_Clanger said:
Another year, the third year in a row that the club's finished the season without having a single Rising Star nomination, our last was Oscar Allen at the end of the 2019 season. Like we needed any further confirmation where our players under 21 are at...I would say the next few years are gonna be painful but I don't know how you could get far worse than two wins and a percentage of 55.
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Shows how limited in value RS nominations are.

Essendon and North are flush with nominees.

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Keys said:
Seems there’s a bit of a queue forming to take over chairmanship of the board with Russell Gibbs due to retire, including what would be a first female leader.

Pity I don’t read the west

thewest.com.au

Gaines, Wyatt emerge as West Coast chairperson contenders

West Coast are using an employment agency to fine tune their search for a new chairperson as Elizabeth Gaines and Ben Wyatt emerge alongside lawyer Paul Fitzpatrick as potential candidates.
thewest.com.au thewest.com.au

Melbourne and Richmond both had female Presidents overseeing their premierships, so Elizabeth Gaines it is

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Chief Executive Officer/Managing Director of Fortescue Metals Group Ltd.

Ms Gaines has led Fortescue Metals Group Ltd as Chief Executive Officer and Executive Director since February 2018 after joining the Executive Team as Chief Financial Officer in February 2017 and serving on the Fortescue Board as a Non-Executive Director since 2013.

A highly experienced business leader with extensive international experience as a Chief Executive Officer, Ms Gaines has a proven track record in delivering financial and operational excellence. She has significant experience in the resources sector and exposure to the impact of the growth in Asian economies, particularly China, on the Australian business environment and economy as well as a deep understanding of all aspects of financial and commercial management at a senior executive level in both listed and private companies.

She is a former Chief Executive Officer of Helloworld Limited and Heytesbury Pty Limited and has previously held Non-Executive Director roles with, Nine Entertainment Co. Holdings Limited, NEXTDC Limited, Mantra Group Limited and ImpediMed Limited.

Ms Gaines was ranked second in the 2019 Fortune Magazine's Businessperson of the Year, and in 2020 the Chamber of Minerals and Energy of Western Australia awarded her the ‘Women in Resources Champion’ at the annual Women in Resources Awards. In 2020, Elizabeth was awarded Joint Australian Business Person of the Year by the Australian Financial Review.

Ms Gaines holds a Bachelor of Commerce from Curtin University, a Master of Applied Finance from Macquarie University and an Honorary Doctorate of Commerce from Curtin University. She is a Fellow of Chartered Accountants Australia and New Zealand, and a member of the Australian Institute of Company Directors and Chief Executive Women.
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Surely Ben Harvey’s done enough to get appointed Chair.
 
Goroyals22 said:
Excellent. Members survey time…

25 words or less what would you implement if you were eagles ceo for a day….. obviously didn’t want to much feedback
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Only need three.

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Consider this: Eddie had been at the helm of Collingwood for forever. They move him on, and all of a sudden, they are very much in premiership contention

I not absolutely saying that his sacking meant that they were destined to succeed, but i am saying that a place can become stale with governance of that long. No modern corporation would typically allow someone at the helm for that long in this day and age, unless they were a founder. A new CEO brings new ideas, a fresh energy and a fresh perspective

This is why, IMO, Nesbitt desperately needs to be moved on
 
The wily weagle said:
Consider this: Eddie had been at the helm of Collingwood for forever. They move him on, and all of a sudden, they are very much in premiership contention

I not absolutely saying that his sacking meant that they were destined to succeed, but i am saying that a place can become stale with governance of that long. No modern corporation would typically allow someone at the helm for that long in this day and age, unless they were a founder. A new CEO brings new ideas, a fresh energy and a fresh perspective

This is why, IMO, Nesbitt desperately needs to be moved on
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Who was the Collingwood president when they last made a GF?
 
Goroyals22 said:
Excellent. Members survey time…

25 words or less what would you implement if you were eagles ceo for a day….. obviously didn’t want to much feedbackD Sharks sacrificing his account for Culley, most pivotal moment of this season.
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Already been done. D Sharks sacrificing his account for Culley.
Never was so much owed by so many to so few. Brief sacrifice, almost Nesbittish, but has value.
I am The Pie Man goo goo goo'joob.
Love Culley recruitment
 
Kane Cornes having a shot at Nisbett and WCE.

thewest.com.au

Cornes: Eagles must pull their heads out of the sand

Kane Cornes has hit back at West Coast chief executive Trevor Nisbett, claiming the club is a once-feared empire but now needs to get its head out of the sand in order to change for the better.
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No arguments from me. Could even have gone harder IMO.


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southcoast said:
Kane Cornes having a shot at Nisbett and WCE.

thewest.com.au

Cornes: Eagles must pull their heads out of the sand

Kane Cornes has hit back at West Coast chief executive Trevor Nisbett, claiming the club is a once-feared empire but now needs to get its head out of the sand in order to change for the better.
thewest.com.au thewest.com.au

No arguments from me. Could even have gone harder IMO.


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Who do we think the 7 players mentioned in the article who are taking up the majority of the salary cap are?

McGovern, Gaff and Kelly are obviously known to be on big money. I am guessing Shuey has to be on similar coin given he is Captain. Is Yeo on a big contract? Was Allen re signed on big money? I guess probably Natanui is probably on big money too if you count his marketing allowance/salary as effectively part of the salary cap (which it is in reality).
 
Deplorable trumpster said:
Who do we think the 7 players mentioned in the article who are taking up the majority of the salary cap are?

McGovern, Gaff and Kelly are obviously known to be on big money. I am guessing Shuey has to be on similar coin given he is Captain. Is Yeo on a big contract? Was Allen re signed on big money? I guess probably Natanui is probably on big money too if you count his marketing allowance/salary as effectively part of the salary cap (which it is in reality).
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The 7 players he’s lifted from a Herald Sun article listing the top 100 paid players in the league. Simpson has said it’s wrong in the order of hundreds of thousands

This is the list



I place no stock in whatever Kornes says. His whole approach is to shout the loudest and to take the most argumentative line. No nuance or attempt to understand what is happening

He appeals to the shallowest thinkers who will buy the notion that throwing everything out and starting again is the best course because it looks like something is being done

He’s the type of idiot that will criticise the Kelly trade while simultaneously imploring we chase some big name trade target to improve the list

We’re at the beginning of a process to rebuild our list that will take 2-3 years to complete, maybe more. But calling for the patient approach doesn’t get clicks.

He’s a ****wit
 
Keys said:
The 7 players he’s lifted from a Herald Sun article listing the top 100 paid players in the league. Simpson has said it’s wrong in the order of hundreds of thousands

This is the list



I place no stock in whatever Kornes says. His whole approach is to shout the loudest and to take the most argumentative line. No nuance or attempt to understand what is happening

He appeals to the shallowest thinkers who will buy the notion that throwing everything out and starting again is the best course because it looks like something is being done

He’s the type of idiot that will criticise the Kelly trade while simultaneously imploring we chase some big name trade target to improve the list

We’re at the beginning of a process to rebuild our list that will take 2-3 years to complete, maybe more. But calling for the patient approach doesn’t get clicks.

He’s a *******
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Ok just for you Keys .. if he didn’t keep battering home the same thing every article it might mean more… again he has valid points that get lost in some of his dribble.

Kane Cornes: The once-feared West Coast Eagles must pull their heads out of the sand to become powerful again

All football clubs should be measured by the win-loss column, not bank balances or corporate power.

There is no premiership table in the world that awards competition points or percentage based on how much money is on the balance sheet and how many big corporate logos are on the club jumper.

West Coast was once powerful on the football field, winning games, collecting flags and proving the value of a national football competition for our national game.

Today, West Coast is the shadow of a once-feared empire — on and off the field.

It still has money in the bank — quite an achievement during the COVID pandemic. It has massive corporate power in Perth. And there is a solid membership base but how long will this last if the Eagles continue with the status quo on the football field?

West Coast have to get their collective head out of the sand. Long-serving chief executive Trevor Nisbett might even have to get out of the chair to allow for a new regime to establish a new set of values at the Eagles — values based on the old themes of winning games, collecting premierships and proving the Eagles are, as their club song says, “kings of the big game”.

Since the 2018 AFL premiership, West Coast has won — year-by-year — 15, 12, 10 and two games a season. If this corporate monolith was on the stock exchange, the brokers would be bailing.

By any measure, this year’s team is the worst-performed in the club’s history.

West Coast finished 17th of 18 with two wins and a sickly percentage of 59.8. It lost 10 games by 50 points or more.

The poor performances, lack of discipline and the falling standards were not just on the field.

During the past two seasons, the Eagles have played a dull brand of football. They score just 64 points per game on average. The team moves the ball slowly and without dare.

The typically passionate Eagle fan base is not impressed. The fans have voted with their feet.

Home attendances have dropped to an average 36,736 — the lowest (outside the COVID lockdowns) since 2015 when West Coast played to a smaller capacity at Subiaco Oval.

After the round seven defeat to Richmond at home, seven players breached COVID protocols by attending Hip-E Club.

Nisbett labelled the players’ actions “a real slap in the face for our processes and guidelines”.

It would be difficult for any player and coach Adam Simpson to be seen in public this off-season.

They carry — as they should — the embarrassment this year’s performances have created. But they will probably be adored as the rock stars that Eagles players often become in Perth. This does not help.

Nisbett is not hiding. This week, he fronted the Channel Seven cameras for a sit-down interview with Ryan Daniels.

Despite the club’s dire season and fallen image, Nisbett is selling a glossy prospectus. He guaranteed Simpson’s future and recommitted to the club’s ageing veterans.

“We’re certainly not going to discard people who have still got a fair bit of football left in them,” he said.

It is hard to move on at West Coast as Nisbett proves himself despite recent observations from many fine judges that West Coast needs new, fresh leadership.

In the changerooms, the club appears frightened — or is too pig-headed — to make the hard call on its veterans Luke Shuey, Shannon Hurn, Nic Naitanui and Jack Redden.

They are refusing to aggressively rebuild the list, as it should have done 12 months ago when it was apparent the Eagles were about to fall off a cliff.

Nisbett repeatedly reiterated the importance of keeping the experienced players to help guide the young players ... and who are these young players that have been ignored in the list-management disaster that is West Coast?

The names of these young players are hard to find and they certainly do not roll off the tongue.

It is worrying that West Coast is the only club without a nominee in recent the AFL Players’ Association 40-man 22under22 squad. Across the Swan River, Fremantle had six nominees.

Nisbett refused to answer a question about the fitness of midfielder Elliot Yeo. He has appeared physically out of shape this season and managed just five games.

He predictably labelled me a “shock jock”, which doesn’t help Eagles fans who must be wondering what’s gone wrong with their All-Australian midfielder.

Yeo, 28, has missed 33 games in the last three years.

Despite multiple players appearing out of shape during the season, the club denies the squad has been afforded liberties in upholding fitness standards.

Faced with reports that West Coast has seven players collecting a big chunk of the club’s $13 million annual salary cap, Nisbett says the club is in a strong position.

“We’re in a very good position in regards to our total player payments, we’re in a very good position moving forward, and if there was a free agent or there’s an opportunity to get someone in who’s an A-grade player, we’ll do that,” he told 7NEWS.

Melbourne premiership ruckman Luke Jackson agreed to terms with Fremantle months ago and will officially sign with the Dockers during the upcoming trade period; Nisbett, however, thinks the Eagles are still a chance of setting up a detour for this homecoming Demon.

“If he wants to come home, there are two teams in Perth, so we’d be interested if that is what his agenda is,” he said.

Nisbett has sat in the club’s chief executive office since 1999. He is comfortable when spinning his way out of a tricky situation.

It showed in his interview with Channel Seven.

It is a shame the Eagles are in denial.

They will start season 2023 with the same chief executive, coach, fitness standards, and the majority of the disappointing 2022 playing list intact.

Change is needed at West Coast. And not just in the changerooms.



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Hard to disagree with anything Kane wrote, IMO.

I think he's unfairly maligned because he's not afraid to put his views out there. Sure, he's not always gonna get it right. And sometimes, people aren't going to agree with him. But that’s okay, because just like us, he cares. Just like us, he’s passionate about the game.
 
Thanks for proving my point

The one thing I will agree with him on is that it’s time for Nisbett to move on. The rest is simplistic easy swipes without any attempt to address the underlying reasons for our predicament
 
Keys said:
Thanks for proving my point

The one thing I will agree with him on is that it’s time for Nisbett to move on. The rest is simplistic easy swipes without any attempt to address the underlying reasons for our predicament
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I don't endorse Cornes. He needs eyeballs on his articles to make a living and the easiest way to do that is to be sensational. But that doesn't man i disagree with all he says.

Nisbett definately needs to go. If the club actually believes what it is saying about everything being fine and dandy, and i am still not sure whether they do believe it or whether it being said for marketing reasons, then i am very worried.

The one valid excuse they have for where we are is the one that is never mentioned and that is being up the top for 10 years means no early draft picks and that has an impact over time. The system is designed to bring you down over time.

I don't buy the Covid excuses. And the injury excuse or issue is partially valid. We did have a lot of injuries to key players. But that is partly because most of our key players are over 30 and you are going to get more injuries once you are over 30. And we have a very old squad and best 22 in general. So, of course we are statistically more likely to have more injuries to our best 22 than the league average.

The most damning and relevent thing in the article is his listing of wins per season since 2018 - 15, 12, 10 and 2. A very clear downward trajectory. I bet the average size of the losses has ballooned up over that timeframe too. makes Nisbett's argument that this is all about Covid and injuries in 2022 look ridiculous.
 
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Simmos 7 interview (which I can't find a link to at the moment) wasn't alot better tbh

Alot of "we know where we're at" and "we need to do the work" but also alot of "we'll back our guys in" in regards to the leaders, older players and most discouraging of all, the S&C team

Feel like I've seen this movie
 
So i think we all the agree the Fallout in terms of change within the club in 2022 is going to be minimal. Maybe the more interesting question is if these guys go down the pathway they are indicating and we are still in the bottom 4 half way through 2023 or at the end of 2023, and therefore their approach and prognostications of a rapid rebound are proven totally wrong, what will the Fallout be then? Would that impact things enough in terms of falling attendances and membership renewals to force the club board to make changes, ideally including sacking Nisbett?

After watching that interview on Channel 7 i think that Nisbett comes across as far more arrogant and dismissive than Simpson. And given that he was selling the No Need For Any Changes argument far harder, like a hundred times harder, than i have ever seen Simpson try and sell it i am going to go ahead and guess that it is Nisbett and maybe a couple of other people above Simpson who are really driving this policy and view of things within the club. If i could choose to get rid of one or the other of Simpson or Nisbett i would definately choose for Nisbett to go first.
 
Goroyals22 said:
Ok just for you Keys .. if he didn’t keep battering home the same thing every article it might mean more… again he has valid points that get lost in some of his dribble.

Kane Cornes: The once-feared West Coast Eagles must pull their heads out of the sand to become powerful again

All football clubs should be measured by the win-loss column, not bank balances or corporate power.

There is no premiership table in the world that awards competition points or percentage based on how much money is on the balance sheet and how many big corporate logos are on the club jumper.

West Coast was once powerful on the football field, winning games, collecting flags and proving the value of a national football competition for our national game.

Today, West Coast is the shadow of a once-feared empire — on and off the field.

It still has money in the bank — quite an achievement during the COVID pandemic. It has massive corporate power in Perth. And there is a solid membership base but how long will this last if the Eagles continue with the status quo on the football field?

West Coast have to get their collective head out of the sand. Long-serving chief executive Trevor Nisbett might even have to get out of the chair to allow for a new regime to establish a new set of values at the Eagles — values based on the old themes of winning games, collecting premierships and proving the Eagles are, as their club song says, “kings of the big game”.

Since the 2018 AFL premiership, West Coast has won — year-by-year — 15, 12, 10 and two games a season. If this corporate monolith was on the stock exchange, the brokers would be bailing.

By any measure, this year’s team is the worst-performed in the club’s history.

West Coast finished 17th of 18 with two wins and a sickly percentage of 59.8. It lost 10 games by 50 points or more.

The poor performances, lack of discipline and the falling standards were not just on the field.

During the past two seasons, the Eagles have played a dull brand of football. They score just 64 points per game on average. The team moves the ball slowly and without dare.

The typically passionate Eagle fan base is not impressed. The fans have voted with their feet.

Home attendances have dropped to an average 36,736 — the lowest (outside the COVID lockdowns) since 2015 when West Coast played to a smaller capacity at Subiaco Oval.

After the round seven defeat to Richmond at home, seven players breached COVID protocols by attending Hip-E Club.

Nisbett labelled the players’ actions “a real slap in the face for our processes and guidelines”.

It would be difficult for any player and coach Adam Simpson to be seen in public this off-season.

They carry — as they should — the embarrassment this year’s performances have created. But they will probably be adored as the rock stars that Eagles players often become in Perth. This does not help.

Nisbett is not hiding. This week, he fronted the Channel Seven cameras for a sit-down interview with Ryan Daniels.

Despite the club’s dire season and fallen image, Nisbett is selling a glossy prospectus. He guaranteed Simpson’s future and recommitted to the club’s ageing veterans.

“We’re certainly not going to discard people who have still got a fair bit of football left in them,” he said.

It is hard to move on at West Coast as Nisbett proves himself despite recent observations from many fine judges that West Coast needs new, fresh leadership.

In the changerooms, the club appears frightened — or is too pig-headed — to make the hard call on its veterans Luke Shuey, Shannon Hurn, Nic Naitanui and Jack Redden.

They are refusing to aggressively rebuild the list, as it should have done 12 months ago when it was apparent the Eagles were about to fall off a cliff.

Nisbett repeatedly reiterated the importance of keeping the experienced players to help guide the young players ... and who are these young players that have been ignored in the list-management disaster that is West Coast?

The names of these young players are hard to find and they certainly do not roll off the tongue.

It is worrying that West Coast is the only club without a nominee in recent the AFL Players’ Association 40-man 22under22 squad. Across the Swan River, Fremantle had six nominees.

Nisbett refused to answer a question about the fitness of midfielder Elliot Yeo. He has appeared physically out of shape this season and managed just five games.

He predictably labelled me a “shock jock”, which doesn’t help Eagles fans who must be wondering what’s gone wrong with their All-Australian midfielder.

Yeo, 28, has missed 33 games in the last three years.

Despite multiple players appearing out of shape during the season, the club denies the squad has been afforded liberties in upholding fitness standards.

Faced with reports that West Coast has seven players collecting a big chunk of the club’s $13 million annual salary cap, Nisbett says the club is in a strong position.

“We’re in a very good position in regards to our total player payments, we’re in a very good position moving forward, and if there was a free agent or there’s an opportunity to get someone in who’s an A-grade player, we’ll do that,” he told 7NEWS.

Melbourne premiership ruckman Luke Jackson agreed to terms with Fremantle months ago and will officially sign with the Dockers during the upcoming trade period; Nisbett, however, thinks the Eagles are still a chance of setting up a detour for this homecoming Demon.

“If he wants to come home, there are two teams in Perth, so we’d be interested if that is what his agenda is,” he said.

Nisbett has sat in the club’s chief executive office since 1999. He is comfortable when spinning his way out of a tricky situation.

It showed in his interview with Channel Seven.

It is a shame the Eagles are in denial.

They will start season 2023 with the same chief executive, coach, fitness standards, and the majority of the disappointing 2022 playing list intact.

Change is needed at West Coast. And not just in the changerooms.



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S o, apart from thet we are doing pretty well.o_O

I have to sadly agree
 

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Deplorable trumpster said:
I don't endorse Cornes. He needs eyeballs on his articles to make a living and the easiest way to do that is to be sensational. But that doesn't man i disagree with all he says.

Nisbett definately needs to go. If the club actually believes what it is saying about everything being fine and dandy, and i am still not sure whether they do believe it or whether it being said for marketing reasons, then i am very worried.

The one valid excuse they have for where we are is the one that is never mentioned and that is being up the top for 10 years means no early draft picks and that has an impact over time. The system is designed to bring you down over time.

I don't buy the Covid excuses. And the injury excuse or issue is partially valid. We did have a lot of injuries to key players. But that is partly because most of our key players are over 30 and you are going to get more injuries once you are over 30. And we have a very old squad and best 22 in general. So, of course we are statistically more likely to have more injuries to our best 22 than the league average.

The most damning and relevent thing in the article is his listing of wins per season since 2018 - 15, 12, 10 and 2. A very clear downward trajectory. I bet the average size of the losses has ballooned up over that timeframe too. makes Nisbett's argument that this is all about Covid and injuries in 2022 look ridiculous.
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Lol - Kane clearly forgot that 2020 only had a 17 game season. Saying the wins trended from 15 to 12 is wrong. If you normalise the 2020 stats to match a 22 game season, we end up with 15.5 wins.

The drop off only occurred in second half of 2021 and happened for two reasons: 1. Gameplan was cooked, 2. Players got injured. Fix both those things and I suspect we're a lot better than a 2 win team.
 
Rowan18 said:
Lol - Kane clearly forgot that 2020 only had a 17 game season. Saying the wins trended from 15 to 12 is wrong. If you normalise the 2020 stats to match a 22 game season, we end up with 15.5 wins.

The drop off only occurred in second half of 2021 and happened for two reasons: 1. Gameplan was cooked, 2. Players got injured. Fix both those things and I suspect we're a lot better than a 2 win team.
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It's not very hard to do better than 2 wins. Pretty low bar you are setting there. Are you arguing that we are still a top 8 team and that this list in general and the current best 22 will get better over time rather than worse if it is left unchanged from what it is now? You left those key points untouched.
 
amazingjoshy said:
Simmos 7 interview (which I can't find a link to at the moment) wasn't alot better tbh

Alot of "we know where we're at" and "we need to do the work" but also alot of "we'll back our guys in" in regards to the leaders, older players and most discouraging of all, the S&C team

Feel like I've seen this movie
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we need to own it
we need to get better

blah blah blah
 
Goroyals22 said:
Ok just for you Keys .. if he didn’t keep battering home the same thing every article it might mean more… again he has valid points that get lost in some of his dribble.

Kane Cornes: The once-feared West Coast Eagles must pull their heads out of the sand to become powerful again

All football clubs should be measured by the win-loss column, not bank balances or corporate power.

There is no premiership table in the world that awards competition points or percentage based on how much money is on the balance sheet and how many big corporate logos are on the club jumper.

West Coast was once powerful on the football field, winning games, collecting flags and proving the value of a national football competition for our national game.

Today, West Coast is the shadow of a once-feared empire — on and off the field.

It still has money in the bank — quite an achievement during the COVID pandemic. It has massive corporate power in Perth. And there is a solid membership base but how long will this last if the Eagles continue with the status quo on the football field?

West Coast have to get their collective head out of the sand. Long-serving chief executive Trevor Nisbett might even have to get out of the chair to allow for a new regime to establish a new set of values at the Eagles — values based on the old themes of winning games, collecting premierships and proving the Eagles are, as their club song says, “kings of the big game”.

Since the 2018 AFL premiership, West Coast has won — year-by-year — 15, 12, 10 and two games a season. If this corporate monolith was on the stock exchange, the brokers would be bailing.

By any measure, this year’s team is the worst-performed in the club’s history.

West Coast finished 17th of 18 with two wins and a sickly percentage of 59.8. It lost 10 games by 50 points or more.

The poor performances, lack of discipline and the falling standards were not just on the field.

During the past two seasons, the Eagles have played a dull brand of football. They score just 64 points per game on average. The team moves the ball slowly and without dare.

The typically passionate Eagle fan base is not impressed. The fans have voted with their feet.

Home attendances have dropped to an average 36,736 — the lowest (outside the COVID lockdowns) since 2015 when West Coast played to a smaller capacity at Subiaco Oval.

After the round seven defeat to Richmond at home, seven players breached COVID protocols by attending Hip-E Club.

Nisbett labelled the players’ actions “a real slap in the face for our processes and guidelines”.

It would be difficult for any player and coach Adam Simpson to be seen in public this off-season.

They carry — as they should — the embarrassment this year’s performances have created. But they will probably be adored as the rock stars that Eagles players often become in Perth. This does not help.

Nisbett is not hiding. This week, he fronted the Channel Seven cameras for a sit-down interview with Ryan Daniels.

Despite the club’s dire season and fallen image, Nisbett is selling a glossy prospectus. He guaranteed Simpson’s future and recommitted to the club’s ageing veterans.

“We’re certainly not going to discard people who have still got a fair bit of football left in them,” he said.

It is hard to move on at West Coast as Nisbett proves himself despite recent observations from many fine judges that West Coast needs new, fresh leadership.

In the changerooms, the club appears frightened — or is too pig-headed — to make the hard call on its veterans Luke Shuey, Shannon Hurn, Nic Naitanui and Jack Redden.

They are refusing to aggressively rebuild the list, as it should have done 12 months ago when it was apparent the Eagles were about to fall off a cliff.

Nisbett repeatedly reiterated the importance of keeping the experienced players to help guide the young players ... and who are these young players that have been ignored in the list-management disaster that is West Coast?

The names of these young players are hard to find and they certainly do not roll off the tongue.

It is worrying that West Coast is the only club without a nominee in recent the AFL Players’ Association 40-man 22under22 squad. Across the Swan River, Fremantle had six nominees.

Nisbett refused to answer a question about the fitness of midfielder Elliot Yeo. He has appeared physically out of shape this season and managed just five games.

He predictably labelled me a “shock jock”, which doesn’t help Eagles fans who must be wondering what’s gone wrong with their All-Australian midfielder.

Yeo, 28, has missed 33 games in the last three years.

Despite multiple players appearing out of shape during the season, the club denies the squad has been afforded liberties in upholding fitness standards.

Faced with reports that West Coast has seven players collecting a big chunk of the club’s $13 million annual salary cap, Nisbett says the club is in a strong position.

“We’re in a very good position in regards to our total player payments, we’re in a very good position moving forward, and if there was a free agent or there’s an opportunity to get someone in who’s an A-grade player, we’ll do that,” he told 7NEWS.

Melbourne premiership ruckman Luke Jackson agreed to terms with Fremantle months ago and will officially sign with the Dockers during the upcoming trade period; Nisbett, however, thinks the Eagles are still a chance of setting up a detour for this homecoming Demon.

“If he wants to come home, there are two teams in Perth, so we’d be interested if that is what his agenda is,” he said.

Nisbett has sat in the club’s chief executive office since 1999. He is comfortable when spinning his way out of a tricky situation.

It showed in his interview with Channel Seven.

It is a shame the Eagles are in denial.

They will start season 2023 with the same chief executive, coach, fitness standards, and the majority of the disappointing 2022 playing list intact.

Change is needed at West Coast. And not just in the changerooms.



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To be honest is cornes wrong? i dont think so.

He's calling out the obvious IMO, just the perf journos are too chicken shite to put WCE to task.

With keeping redden, hurn and shuey for another year, i would assume the club has made the decision to cull the deadwood in our middle age bracket (langdon, nelson etc etc).
 
Cornes isn't wrong per se but he is failing to mention the system is designed to bring down teams up the top and push up teams at the bottom. A large part of our list woes are due to having no high draft picks and no access to top end talent. We have also had some bad luck (Alec Waterman, Venables), some self inflicted wounds (Junior, Brander), rule changes that didnt help our game plan or list (which we have taken way too long to adjust to) and, more recently, over estimating our list and pushing for one more with the senior guys (which, whilst somewhat understandable, was clearly a mistake that should have been seen earlier). Then injuries, with serious questions of our medical and strength and conditioning departments needing to be asked.

But it is a mix of things and not just all on the club being fkd. That said, there needs to be change but given the dearth of younger talent on our list, throwing out all the old guys doesn't really help. I would like to have seen one more of the seniors go this year but so long as we get rid of the dead wood on our list, I am fine if that waits until next year (provided we prioritise the young guys game time next year over the old guys - which I have reservations they will do but will wait till next year to wet the bed over that).
 
Feeling Groovy said:
Cornes isn't wrong per se but he is failing to mention the system is designed to bring down teams up the top and push up teams at the bottom. A large part of our list woes are due to having no high draft picks and no access to top end talent. We have also had some bad luck (Alec Waterman, Venables), some self inflicted wounds (Junior, Brander), rule changes that didnt help our game plan or list (which we have taken way too long to adjust to) and, more recently, over estimating our list and pushing for one more with the senior guys (which, whilst somewhat understandable, was clearly a mistake that should have been seen earlier). Then injuries, with serious questions of our medical and strength and conditioning departments needing to be asked.

But it is a mix of things and not just all on the club being fkd. That said, there needs to be change but given the dearth of younger talent on our list, throwing out all the old guys doesn't really help. I would like to have seen one more of the seniors go this year but so long as we get rid of the dead wood on our list, I am fine if that waits until next year (provided we prioritise the young guys game time next year over the old guys - which I have reservations they will do but will wait till next year to wet the bed over that).
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...and not forgetting the missing Cameron brother. We could've done without that too...
 

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