Society/Culture Feminism part 1 - continued in part 2

[Barry_Badrinath]

Silly thing to say if he was talking about her looks and not just the quality of the picture. Linkedin isn't the place for those sort of comments, unless you're a model. She really overreacted though.

Also:

 

[skilts]

He's lucky he didn't call her an ugly arseh*le. A man with an appalling understanding of women such as this, who devote their lives to female causes. The online version of wolf whistles from a building site. My wonder is that any bloke thinks his sexual stimulation will be reciprocated under such circumstances. I suppose they live in hope, on another planet.

 

[JHF1870]

Do you know what type of organisation Linkedln is?

It is a business-oriented professional networking service. I am on there but not my photo though many do have their photo on there.

Not sure that men or women should be making those type of comments. Personally, I would have just ignored it

Fair call, the Linkedin website wizzed over my head. I didn't notice it. I think the internet in general; with respect to social media has gone too far with this public shaming stuff. Who's got the right to make the call on what someones intentions are, then worthy of shaming.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Fair call, the Linkedin website wizzed over my head. I didn't notice it. I think the internet in general; with respect to social media has gone too far with this public shaming stuff. Who's got the right to make the call on what someones intentions are, then worthy of shaming.

If he had made the same comments about my profile pic on linkedin, I would be pretty put off by it. Don't know that I would put it in the public spotlight, but I would certainly make it clear to him that it was not appreciated.

For a bit more context, it seems that quite a few women receive unwelcome attention from people they don't know on linkedin - http://creeped.in/

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Also, it is worth reflecting on the number of times women are subject to unwanted male attention in society generally.

 

[fleabitten]

For a bit more context, it seems that quite a few women receive unwelcome attention from people they don't know on linkedin - http://creeped.in/

While not really appropriate for that site, none of those guys struck me as particularly creepy. Is it creepy now to simply pay a compliment or express an interest in someone?

 

[JHF1870]

While not really appropriate for that site, none of those guys struck me as particularly creepy. Is it creepy now to simply pay a compliment or express an interest in someone?

I'm not sure how genuine the original video was "ten hours walking through NY" but she counted harassment as saying "hello" But some people make more of something than it is, particularly in that case because she was looking for it. So a bit of bias was there.

I've also had this discussion with some christians. If you allow yourself to get upset over things, life's gonna be pretty shitty. But not only that, you end up looking for it more, and therefore have more directed at you.

 

[Maggie5]

While not really appropriate for that site

Should have just left it at that.
Some of those are really creepy, why would you say those things on a professional site to a stranger?

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

While not really appropriate for that site, none of those guys struck me as particularly creepy. Is it creepy now to simply pay a compliment or express an interest in someone?

How would you view it if you were getting messages like that from men?

 

[fleabitten]

How would you view it if you were getting messages like that from men?

It would be annoying after a while. That doesn't make all the guys creeps. I've contacted people in unconventional ways before and been treated like a human being by the person at the other end. It even got me a couple of dates.

 

[romeohwho]

It would be annoying after a while. That doesn't make all the guys creeps. I've contacted people in unconventional ways before and been treated like a human being by the person at the other end. It even got me a couple of dates.

Not necessarily creeps but inappropriate and stupid.

 

[fleabitten]

Not necessarily creeps but inappropriate and stupid.

Agreed. So that site would be more aptly named InappropriateIn or StupidIn.

 

[cartwright]

While not really appropriate for that site, none of those guys struck me as particularly creepy. Is it creepy now to simply pay a compliment or express an interest in someone?

On a site where they (if connected) know your name, current employment, and work / education history.

Really? An unsolicited comment, in that environment can be creepy.

 

[mellowyellow]

Not sure if its already been posted but I came across this article .Enjoy

Before we do anything, the very first measure to adopt is to take all men out of all positions of decision-making immediately, and actually out of any kind of social, professional position whatsoever.

Major serial killers, serial torturers, pimps, pornographers, severe domestic abusers, serial rapists, genocide planners, biocide planners and pedocriminals across the world will simply be euthanised: the decisions will be taken by women in a mass world tribunal for patriarchal crimes. This is by far the best solution, and is the most legitimate, ethical way of reducing male population to more reasonable levels. Such men would otherwise forever pose a threat to women, children, animals, the earth and society as a whole, and we know they have no chance of ceasing their violent behaviour after having reached such an advanced stage of sadism and sociopathy. It would be reckless to spend space, resources and energy in keeping them alive in prisons.

All of men’s (alive and euthanised) belongings, property, resources and land will be confiscated from men and handed back to female care and supervision – property rights over land will be abolished. ..........

UTOPIA: what would a women’s society look like?
https://witchwind.wordpress.com/2014/10/07/utopia-what-would-a-womens-society-look-like/

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Not sure if its already been posted but I came across this article .Enjoy



UTOPIA: what would a women’s society look like?
https://witchwind.wordpress.com/2014/10/07/utopia-what-would-a-womens-society-look-like/

Had a bit of a skim through. She seems like a bit a female version of Dick Masterson. Obviously a piss take.

These were pretty funny:

Men would be permanently banned from any kind of medical practice.

Genetic modification of plants, pesticides, monoculture, field ploughing and consequent aridification of the land will be considered crimina

And seriously, killing animals you’ve raised yourself in a farm or keeping animals enclosed is cruel.

They will have to be carefully designed and thought out in a way as to never endanger the survival of any species, never pollute any environment, never require the use of poisonous, non-recyclable materials

Brb no farming animals
Brb no protection of crops
Brb no mining or drilling - could pollute the Earth
Brb massive reduction in the number of skilled professionals (doctors etc)

A world with no food or resources. Sounds like bliss.

 

[mellowyellow]

Had a bit of a skim through. She seems like a bit a female version of Dick Masterson. Obviously a piss take.

These were pretty funny:






Brb no farming animals
Brb no protection of crops
Brb no mining or drilling - could pollute the Earth
Brb massive reduction in the number of skilled professionals (doctors etc)

A world with no food or resources. Sounds like bliss.

Utopia actually .

 

[Raz0r6ack]

Not sure if its already been posted but I came across this article .Enjoy



UTOPIA: what would a women’s society look like?
https://witchwind.wordpress.com/2014/10/07/utopia-what-would-a-womens-society-look-like/

If this isn't the sorta woman that you could just take back home and introduce to your mother then I don't know who is.

 

[La Dolce Vita]

Not sure if its already been posted but I came across this article .Enjoy



UTOPIA: what would a women’s society look like?
https://witchwind.wordpress.com/2014/10/07/utopia-what-would-a-womens-society-look-like/

More evidence of feminist hatred

Pretty obvious what a female world would look like. A horde of women living in caves waiting to die. Hoping one day man would come along and do, create, invent, build, design absolutely EVERYTHING. While the women sit on their hands complaining about their imaginary oppression

 

[cartwright]

Time to repeat Mark Twain

Never argue with stupid people.......

 

[CM86]

More evidence of feminist hatred

Pretty obvious what a female world would look like. A horde of women living in caves waiting to die. Hoping one day man would come along and do, create, invent, build, design absolutely EVERYTHING. While the women sit on their hands complaining about their imaginary oppression

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mellowyellow: Thoughts? ^^^

 

[Buckleys Jocks]

And they will forgive him because – yes -- because Gillard was a woman. The rhetoric about violently knifing Rudd, like her designation as a "witch" and a "bitch," was all designed to tap into prejudicial notions of what is acceptable female behaviour and what is not. Turnbull and the Libs will be forgiven and it will be chalked up to political power games and their government will move on in a way Gillard's was not permitted to.

Because when a man does it, well, that's just politics. When a woman does it, it is unbecoming and sooner or later, she will be punished

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-an...er-forgave-julia-gillard-20150914-gjmmni.html

Apologies if this isn't the right thread but I've seen this pop up a few times on social media today and thought it was worth discussing, particularly as most of the people I've seen sharing it are people that have been begging for this to happen for ages. Personally I can't agree with this at all and think it reads like a desperate attempt to play the sexism card, that last line is just petty nonsense IMO.

IMO the public perception of Gillard ousting Rudd as a knife in the back comes from the fact that Rudd was actually a fairly popular politician with the general public despite the fact he was hated internally, people just didn't like seeing that side of politics and it had nothing to do with the genders of anyone involved. The difference this time is obviously that the general public were desperate for this to happen, Tony's reputation was irredeemable in the eyes of the public and many had been calling for his head long before this happened. People have suggested in comments on that article that the reaction would be different if it was Bishop who had ousted Abbott, maybe it would be, but when the alternative is Abbott it's never going to be received negatively. I just don't get why gender needs to be brought into everything, or why some feminist writers are unable to escape that mob mentality where a poor depiction or attack on one woman is an attack on all.

 

[fleabitten]

Obviously a piss take.

I don't believe it is. I clicked around on some more of her blogs and if it's a piss take, it's a weird one and i don't think her readers realise it.

What I’d like to see happen wrt anti-racism in feminist circles, is:
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#2. That as a rule we stop attacking women in feminist circles for any reasons whatsoever, whether it be racism, misogyny, whatever. Assuming that something she said / did was problematic, just try to explain to her how what she said / did was anti-woman/racist, without accusation or guilt-tripping. Most of the time it isn’t a big deal and it’s just a matter of getting it and not repeating the same mistake: like, “putting it this way is actually racist” “Yeah, you’re right, it’s racist. I’ll be careful not to say it again”. If simply laying it out doesn’t work, if she isn’t capable of hearing that right now, just leave it for a time being and maybe take some distance. Depending on what the problem’s about, and generally as all forms of consciousness-raising it might not be integrated overnight. It might need some time, patience, etc. Nothing’s straightforward when we decolonise, and the process might reveal a lot of pain. Changing the way we think and behave and see/relate to the world is a very long process, and the time it takes depends a lot on the material conditions in which we are at a given time, which determines the freedom with which we can actually change (ie whether we’re in a fairly safe situation or not wrt male violence / institutional violence, strong PTSD etc.). As said in the paragraph above, we should protect ourselves and our work from women who are too destructive to be dealt with, and if necessary warn other women about the way they operate in groups so to prevent them from continuing their rampage, but that’s all. Never attack women. Never ever.

lol

 

[mellowyellow]

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mellowyellow: Thoughts? ^^^

Their his/her views and I don't feel the need to condone or repudiate them. You have any issue with them ,take it up with the poster.

I posted the article to highlight some of the more repugnant beliefs and views within the feminist movement

 

[CM86]

Their his/her views and I don't feel the need to condone or repudiate them. You have any issue with them ,take it up with the poster.

I posted the article to highlight some of the more repugnant beliefs and views within the feminist movement

I just thought you'd find it funny.

That poster obviously isn't anti feminism, he is anti women.

Just like the author of the piece you shared with us isn't a traditional feminist (Even if she calls herself one), she is just a sexist bigot.

I wasn't calling you out.

 

[Chief]

I just don't get why gender needs to be brought into everything, or why some feminist writers are unable to escape that mob mentality where a poor depiction or attack on one woman is an attack on all.

a. Neither do I.
b. A depiction or interpretation of a person's views should be responded to on its merits. Unfortunately, some people feel the need to bring gender into it for no reason at all. Pointing out that an attack on a person is based along gender lines rather than valid reasoning isn't the mark of a rabid feminist. You need to evaluate the arguments, not just switch off when words like 'sexist' or 'gender discrimination' are used. A sexist attack on a woman is an attack on all. That's what makes it sexist or discriminatory.