Filling the Stinger Void

[Stiffy_18]

What if we could draft Paul Thomas with a very high pick and start him off with this type of role. I know I'm a biased Centrals supporter but he is a Magarey medallist after all, 22 going on 23 yo. I think he is much better than Shirley, Ladhams and co. and definatley worth the risk of a high pick, which isn't any real risk.

Thoughts???

Too small and too light for a tagger

 

[Stiffy_18]

hmmm not entirely the worse decision the AFC could make...

Thomas has age on his side, and although ive only seen him in limited games this year, what i have seen i have liked.

If we could snare him late, i'd go for it...would be fourth or fifth round pick!

If we dont i can see Port snaring him, and then him coming on and being a very handy player for them (just to rub salt into the wounds of the AFC as he was a rookie with us!)...

I don't think Port will go there. He has trained him Port in the pre-season this year and they didn't even want to rookie list him. Both teams had a chance to pick him up and didn't

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

i think you may need to keep that in left field

i really think you are all being way to harsh on shirley - i actually think he will develop - you have to remember that most of these guys are two years behind in development because they were never given their chance.

saying that i am not convinced with mattner however i like the way he carries the ball, something not many crows players do anymore

So if we keep Shirley, then who are we delisting this year, surely not just Gallagher?? There will be alot of players at the AFC playing for their futures next year.

 

[crowie]

So if we keep Shirley, then who are we delisting this year, surely not just Gallagher?? There will be alot of players at the AFC playing for their futures next year.

I thought they were playing for thir careers this year?


Re: Paul Thomas

I still think he is worth a third or fourth rounder, for what he lacks in size he more than makes up in heart and spirit. We have way too many pretty boys who spend all their time before the games doing their hair etc, we need players that play for the jumper and get really stuck in no matter what their ability allows them, Paul Thomas is this type of player. If we don't get him maybe North Melbourne will, he'll fit their whole shinboner spirit thing they got going down there perfectly.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Well if rumours are true then I think Aaron Shattock will be our tagger next year. Definetly better than Shirley and FAR more versatile

 

[crowie]

Well if rumours are true then I think Aaron Shattock will be our tagger next year. Definetly better than Shirley and FAR more versatile

Can you give us a bit of a run down on him stiff.

 

[mickyj]

He was playing seconds at WWT when Brisbane drafted him

 

[Stiffy_18]

Can you give us a bit of a run down on him stiff.

Premiership player with Brisbane. Tall utility who is a hard at it player and a decent tagger. At 187 cm he can also match up on bigger players. Played for WWT before he got drafted by the lions

Aaron Shattock Profile

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Whilst I don't think Shirley is the long-term future, depending on what the rest of the trade period brings us, he probably needs to be kept (at least as a backup).

Forget Mattner, as he is best suited to a wing or HBF - he is not someone to play in the middle.

We should be using Reilly as an attacking midfielder - dleivering the ball lace-out next year, as he has a the silkiest skills in our midfield.

IMO, JT hasn't got the stamina for the whole game & is best off a HBF, where he shows his courage.

Benny Hart is also best utilised as a defender.

For the taller types, I would consider either Begley or Burton. Burton has the stamina as he showed on Harvey a few years back. Wouldn't use him all the time, but just for certain opposition.

For smaller types, I would consider Doughty, as he showed in the later stages that he has the concentration levels to follow a player for a full game.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

For smaller types, I would consider Doughty, as he showed in the later stages that he has the concentration levels to follow a player for a full game.

I was laughed at when I said this was happening in later season games, but do not be surprised if Dought is given opportunities as a tagger.

Forget Shirley, anyone would think it was harder to find a tagger than a CHF

He'll either be traded??? or delisted - time to move on and refresh the list.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Premiership player with Brisbane. Tall utility who is a hard at it player and a decent tagger. At 187 cm he can also match up on bigger players. Played for WWT before he got drafted by the lions

Aaron Shattock Profile

I like the "hard at it" part...Just what we need. So if we get this guy, do you think Shirls will be delisted??

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Whilst I don't think Shirley is the long-term future, depending on what the rest of the trade period brings us, he probably needs to be kept (at least as a backup).

Forget Mattner, as he is best suited to a wing or HBF - he is not someone to play in the middle.

We should be using Reilly as an attacking midfielder - dleivering the ball lace-out next year, as he has a the silkiest skills in our midfield.

IMO, JT hasn't got the stamina for the whole game & is best off a HBF, where he shows his courage.

Benny Hart is also best utilised as a defender.

For the taller types, I would consider either Begley or Burton. Burton has the stamina as he showed on Harvey a few years back. Wouldn't use him all the time, but just for certain opposition.

For smaller types, I would consider Doughty, as he showed in the later stages that he has the concentration levels to follow a player for a full game.

Much to my annoyance, it looks like the Birdman is staying put. If that's the case, he should be played in the forward line and nowhere else.
Our midfield brigade is starting to take some shape now, McLeod, Goodwin, Edrwads, Roo, Thompson, Reilly, Bodey and hopefully Johncock.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I was laughed at when I said this was happening in later season games, but do not be surprised if Dought is given opportunities as a tagger.

Forget Shirley, anyone would think it was harder to find a tagger than a CHF

He'll either be traded??? or delisted - time to move on and refresh the list.

Tagger has to be prepared to put his body on the line and put his body between the opponent and the ball. Those are the qualities that Doughty sure as hell doesn't have

If we get Shattock, I expect that Shirley will be shown the door.

Massie for Shattock anyone???

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

Well if rumours are true then I think Aaron Shattock will be our tagger next year. Definetly better than Shirley and FAR more versatile

On the channel 10 news they said that Shattock was going to be a part of the Carr to Freo deal

I think he would be a good option as a tagger, gotta be better than shirley

 

[Fudd]

shirley had 22 touches against chris judd, while keeping him to 20 this year, aswell has beating him in last years elimination final with 23 touches, keeping judd to below 20 from memory. cmon guys the guy can tag pretty well when given the chance and not just run off the bench for a couple of minutes a quarter. i doubt shattock has any such scalps.

 

[crazy_big_al]

shirley or johncock

 

[mymansyd]

shirley had 22 touches against chris judd, while keeping him to 20 this year, aswell has beating him in last years elimination final with 23 touches, keeping judd to below 20 from memory. cmon guys the guy can tag pretty well when given the chance and not just run off the bench for a couple of minutes a quarter. i doubt shattock has any such scalps.

In his 51 games, Shirley has had only 3 20+ possession games of AFL footy.

In his 57 games, Shattock has had only 1 20+ possession game of AFL footy.

Show Shirls the door and shut the door on Shattock.

Let's get some kiddddddddddddddssssss!!!

No more 24-26 middleo-of-the-road never-gonna-be nobodies.

 

[Crow-mosone]

What if we could draft Paul Thomas with a very high pick and start him off with this type of role. I know I'm a biased Centrals supporter but he is a Magarey medallist after all, 22 going on 23 yo. I think he is much better than Shirley, Ladhams and co. and definatley worth the risk of a high pick, which isn't any real risk.

Thoughts???

not a bad shout,

plenty of late blooming midfielders, who have done well in the magarey, have gone on to be serious players. i.e. Roger James, Josh Francou, Glen Kilpatrick etc.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

shirley or johncock

Stiffy would be wasted as a tagger. More of a burst player. Though hopefully will get more time in the midfield.

 

[Gravee]

Would it be at all possible to make Jericho a Tagger?

He is Quick enough.

I know he is meant to be a promising talent and all but from what I have seen of him I have been unimpressed. Quite Unimpressed actually. That Dropped mark in the First Quarter against Brisbane no more than 20 m out on his own when Scores were still pretty even, Maybe even Adelaide winning, killed off my hope for him to be a Forward Gun.

Maybe I'm writing him off too early but to me he just seems plain and simply soft and not prepared to put his head or body over the ball, So unless the Crows can get some Bastard into him where he goes out the and gets straight in there hard I can't see much Future past his Potential.

The team has this Awesome Physical leader in Riccuito, Why doesn't any go out there an follow his Example. 100% Hard at it, 100% of the time.

Tagging is a great way to introduce a youngster to the flow of AFL, Just look at Kane Cornes, Do you think he will be a Tagger next year?? Or be Tagged? My bet is some clubs will be keeping a close eye on how he performs.

 

[mr snip]

I know he is meant to be a promising talent and all but from what I have seen of him I have been unimpressed. Quite Unimpressed actually. That Dropped mark in the First Quarter against Brisbane no more than 20 m out on his own when Scores were still pretty even, Maybe even Adelaide winning, killed off my hope for him to be a Forward Gun.

Maybe I'm writing him off too early but to me he just seems plain and simply soft and not prepared to put his head or body over the ball, So unless the Crows can get some Bastard into him where he goes out the and gets straight in there hard I can't see much Future past his Potential.

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have to agree jericho's attack on the ball and body is very soft, whether it is a confidence thing only time will tell. as i do remember hentschell when he started was very timid and look what has come of him.

The issue with jericho is that his ball handling is not clean, i'm not sure whether this is something that will improve

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

Would it be at all possible to make Jericho a Tagger?

He is Quick enough.

I know he is meant to be a promising talent and all but from what I have seen of him I have been unimpressed. Quite Unimpressed actually. That Dropped mark in the First Quarter against Brisbane no more than 20 m out on his own when Scores were still pretty even, Maybe even Adelaide winning, killed off my hope for him to be a Forward Gun.

Maybe I'm writing him off too early but to me he just seems plain and simply soft and not prepared to put his head or body over the ball, So unless the Crows can get some Bastard into him where he goes out the and gets straight in there hard I can't see much Future past his Potential.

The team has this Awesome Physical leader in Riccuito, Why doesn't any go out there an follow his Example. 100% Hard at it, 100% of the time.

Tagging is a great way to introduce a youngster to the flow of AFL, Just look at Kane Cornes, Do you think he will be a Tagger next year?? Or be Tagged? My bet is some clubs will be keeping a close eye on how he performs.

I think Jericho will come good he just needs time, remember at the start of the year he was playing reserves for West Adelaide so already we have seen a major improvement and now that he has had a taste of AFL level and even competing in the GF sprint would of really inspired him to achieve his best I would of thought.
Jericho will need alot of time in the weights room over summer but even then I think he will be too small to become a tagger he will be continually pushed off the ball if he was playing against someone like Buckley or Voss.
Jericho would not have the footy smarts to play in the centre, he is a forward and I think that is his best position, I would like to see him play out of the goal square and use his pace to burn of his direct opponent.
I know what your saying about that dropped mark, his ball handling skills and his attack on the footy that is more of a reason to keep him in the forward line, we can not afford to have someone like him in our midfield, he would be a liability.
I just think he needs to put on 15kgs or something and we will be a great forward but nothing more.
I think our best bet next year might be Reilly, he seems to have alot of footy smarts and great skills, he is the type of bloke who will really learn alot playing of blokes like Voss, Buckley and Harvey and the rest.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I think people over rate pace in taggers. Tell me who is quicker Kane Cornes or Jason Akermanis??????

Being a quality tagger doesn't neccessarily mean that a player has to have pace. Stinger is far from quick, so is Shirley, So is Carr, Kirk, Kane Cornes etc.... BUT all of those players are quality taggers (some more than taggers). Being a tagger has more to do with the positioning than pace. I think one pre-requisite is to have good stamina and you can run all day. Chris Judd has never really given us any headaches in the last couple of years because Shirley has worn him like a glove. Compare those 2 bolkes in pace and there is NO contest.

Tagger has to have big engine and high concentration skills. Pace is not that important. Taggers job is to get between his player and the ball and don't allow him to find space. This is why Stinger and Shirley are good at stopping the opposition. They get in between their opponent and the ball and try to stop the opponent from getting it or if they get it then make sure you are right there next to then for a tackle. IMHO, pace is irrelevant when speaking of tagger. While its an advantage it is not really be all and end all of being a good tagger.

Personally, I think Shirley can do the job and do it well. What he needs to do is improve his engine a little bit because sometimes his opponents get the better of him in the 2nd half and beef up a bit more so he can physically cope with the likes of Buckley, Voss etc...

 

[Gravee]

Well put Stiffy.

How would you use Jericho? Put him back in Red n Black or Persist with him? If he needs Weight couldn't he gain that there and when he's ready for a go put him in the 22? We didn't try Parker and he was dominating for the bays at CHB so what makes Jericho so special, So far I have Bock marked as a Complete Dud with Jericho not far behind.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Well put Stiffy.

How would you use Jericho? Put him back in Red n Black or Persist with him? If he needs Weight couldn't he gain that there and when he's ready for a go put him in the 22? We didn't try Parker and he was dominating for the bays at CHB so what makes Jericho so special, So far I have Bock marked as a Complete Dud with Jericho not far behind.

I think Jericho is best when he is playing out of the square. He has good pace and is a reasonable mark and a good kick for goal. He does drop a few marks but I think he can improve that with time and more effort in the gym.

While he is a bit on the soft side we must remember that he is athlete playing footy and if he is ever going to make it its as a forward. I think he has a fair bit to offer but at the same time he has a hell of a lot to learn. I would take him over Bock any time.

I think Jezza will come good and has the potential to be a 40-50 goal goal kicker. His ballhandling is something you can improve but I don't think he is smart enough to play in the midfield. I would persist with Jezza no doubt. We keep forgetting that last year he was struggling in the Westies reserves and no one expected him to play AFL but he strung together some games and in a few of them looked really promising. He is still only 19 and has a lot to learn but I am confident he will develop into a good player who will be a bit tough to match up on.