First caro .... Now Walls.

[HFF]

I like Wallsy and whilst many believe him to be bias, he rates our talented youngsters very much.

I think he got everything spot on in his article except for two things.

One, whilst MM may be under pressure to keep his job, Eddie is not. Ed is the greatest thing that has happened to this football club and the reason we keep on moving forward as the benchmark of the competition. Whether they love us or hate us, they all want to be with us.

And, lastly, we "still can and forever will" be able to pay-out anybody we sack. We are a powerhouse if not the biggest powerhouse in the AFL. Ed will have no hesitation in sacking people and paying them out if it was in the club's best interests to do so.

 

[FuManchu]

I, like the majority of people including posters that hate Collingwood, percieved Caro's article as a nasty personal attack that was supposed portay Eddie in a similair light. Surely you, with all your percpective could acknowledge that the article backfired? Can't you? All you need to do is read the thread about the article on the main board and people are actually on Eddies side. Even people that hate him because he is Collingwood. She believes that Eddie should be under threat however the vast vast majority of Collingwood supporters are very happy with him.

Of course it was a dig at him. But Eddie's placed himself in the firing line. he cant be too precious about copping it back from all quarters when his bluff and bluster doesnt work. How many times has Eddie attacked others on his own personal crusades when he had a TV forum? Many many times.

Now that is all and good because he is on our side and we enjoyed the fruits of his work. But now he doesnt have the same presence, he has to expect to get some of it back. And do you really think he has been an altar boy even these days? We've all seen him almost go purple from going on about one of his agendas. Imagine what he is like away from the TV.

We, who have contributed in this thread speak for the Collingwood football club, we the are the supporters and who the football club is for. We have every right to criticise Caro for a blatant personal attack on our president claiming that he is nasty and isn't doing a good job when we all know Caro hates Eddie and the club. Because afterall Eddie wants was best for our club and she doesn't. And the vast majority of us believe he is doing a very good job.

He has done an excellent job. But once again, at the cost of how many toes that he has cut along the way?

You dont believe one bit of what she has wrote? You dont believe Eddie is up for criticism in any regard? You dont believe Eddie would be in the background still cutting toes?

personally i think everyone makes too much of her supposed hate of the club. Caro is richmond thru and thru, there is no problem with that, as much as there was no problem with Eddie being Collingwood thru and thru. You cant be in football without have some allegiance and dislike. You would rather drones in the media, with no passion for something, anything?

I don't care if Eddie is sometimes nasty. Overall he is a fantastic person, he does so much for society overall and wouldn't it be shortsighted not to acknowledge that? Rather than attack the guy and potray him as a nasty human being? He actually does a hell of a lot more for society than Caro who mind you sees herself, by judging the behaviour of young adults who kick a ball around, as some sort of moral dictator.

Eddie does do a lot for others, she never denied that, but Eddie also does a lot for himself and for the club and that is always going to attract criticism when you are so singulary focused. But now he has opened his mouth and set in play a multitude of possible outcomes for doing so, he has also opened himself up for scrutiny by those he has tread on prior.

I'd rather hear about this stuff than remain ignorant to what other's thoughts are about him. And lets face it, she would only be echoing a lot of others thoughts.

I actually said myself that I felt sorry for her and I genuinely did, and someone told me I have to harden up. It would have been water of a ducks back for Ed. The article backfired badly any sensible person would have cringed when they realized who was writing it.

How did it backfire? She earned the wrath of what? Some disgruntled Collingwood supporters? yeah, that will give her sleepless nights! Much like the wrath Eddie earned from other clubs supporters over the years for his attacks ever stopped him? Your criticism of her might in fact spur her on, much like I think Eddie was always spurred on. Its just the nature of the beast.

 

[Paddywhackers]

I'm sorry but journalists writing articles on moral behaviour really should be doing it with a position of integrity and in this instance she doesn't really have much, and as a reader of the article I am in my right acknowledging her complete lack of it. Sure she nailed a few points, such as things that happened six months ago. The timing of the article IMO was a big WTF! I'm not sure if you will acknowledge any of the points being made as to why the article was bad, it seems you will not do what you are criticizing others of, that is acknowledging a different perspective. You are in Caro's league of being a bona fida hypocrite. I will respond to your arguments below...

Of course it was a dig at him. But Eddie's placed himself in the firing line. he cant be too precious about copping it back from all quarters when his bluff and bluster doesnt work. How many times has Eddie attacked others on his own personal crusades when he had a TV forum? Many many times.?.

read my response above.

Now that is all and good because he is on our side and we enjoyed the fruits of his work. But now he doesnt have the same presence, he has to expect to get some of it back. And do you really think he has been an altar boy even these days? We've all seen him almost go purple from going on about one of his agendas. Imagine what he is like away from the TV. .

Before you were claiming he was over exposed, too powerful and shoots his mouth of too much but I will agree with you, Eddie isn't as exposed anymore, Pert seems to have a bigger influence at the club and more important than anything else things have been going smoothly over the past six months, but we all know why Caro attakced Eddie, she had her own personal agenda. You're claiming that we have no right in acknowledging even cringing at just how hypocritical she was? Sorry but we have more right than her to offer our opinions on the club we love.

He has done an excellent job. But once again, at the cost of how many toes that he has cut along the way?.

And Caro the Collingwood hater is trying to tell us what is good for Collingwood LOL. And that our president that has done so much for us as even you admitted should be fearing some sort of coo. Come on I know you want to be right, but surely you could see the monumental slip up you have made in this debate.

You dont believe one bit of what she has wrote? You dont believe Eddie is up for criticism in any regard? You dont believe Eddie would be in the background still cutting toes?.

Eddie can be criticised for sure. And he mishandled the Didak/Shaw and stuffed up on the pubs, although Arocca and Swan were the rats that made the decisions and Didak/Shaw lied. He has acknowledged that the buck stops with him. But if Caro is going to suggest Eddie should be sacked from presidency, shouldn't she also acknowledge the reasons why Collingwood supporters love him and the good he does for the club. You have to balance the good with the bad my firend. Oh that's right, Caro knows Eddie is good for our club and that is probably why she has a personal bias against him.

Personally i think everyone makes too much of her supposed hate of the club. Caro is richmond thru and thru, there is no problem with that, as much as there was no problem with Eddie being Collingwood thru and thru. You cant be in football without have some allegiance and dislike. You would rather drones in the media, with no passion for something, anything?.

Of coarse. However she is a footy journalist and therefore if she wants credibility and not to be laughed at she needs to have some integrity. Instead she has all these personal wars in the football world that she is blaiming Eddie of and it is actually quite sad. And another thing, if Caro has a personal bias against Collingwood than surely you could understand and accept why we have a personal bias against her right?

Eddie does do a lot for others, she never denied that, but Eddie also does a lot for himself and for the club and that is always going to attract criticism when you are so singulary focused. But now he has opened his mouth and set in play a multitude of possible outcomes for doing so, he has also opened himself up for scrutiny by those he has tread on prior..

In the end, Eddie is a good guy. As a reader of the article you and me can see through her persoanal bias, we both know Eddie is both good for our club and for society. She is none of those.

I'd rather hear about this stuff than remain ignorant to what other's thoughts are about him. And lets face it, she would only be echoing a lot of others thoughts..

It's good for us to know what is happening, but really do we need to read about stuff that happened 6 months ago, or that Eddie was mean to Eugine Arocca? Seriously Caro writes this shit and quite frankly alot of good people think that what she writes about is garbage.

How did it backfire? She earned the wrath of what? Some disgruntled Collingwood supporters? yeah, that will give her sleepless nights! Much like the wrath Eddie earned from other clubs supporters over the years for his attacks ever stopped him? Your criticism of her might in fact spur her on, much like I think Eddie was always spurred on. Its just the nature of the beast.

Fan sites can be a good measure of how people feel about something. It provides me and you with feedback. One thing we know by reading bigfooty is that Eddie (even though a mature adult can acknowledge he is a fantastic person) is probably the most hated man on bigfooty. But despite that, even regular trolls and most other readers/posters saw the irony and hypocrisy in what Caro wrote. Can you?

Sure she CAN write crap. That's her decision. But if she carries these blatant personal agendas blaiming others for the same thing... she can expect us to laugh at her. You're trying to tell me that I should put up and shut up... and acknowledge her persoanl agendas without offering my opinion. Think about it. This is what you are doing/saying. Its ****ing stupid and this is my last response I have wasted too much time on the matter.

Footy is starting GO PIES!

 

[FuManchu]

We are going to have to disagree on this. The journalists writing articles on moral behaviour really should be doing it with a position of integrity and in this instance she doesn't really have much, and as a reader of the article I am in my right acknowledging her complete lack of integrity. Sure she nailed a few points, such as things that happened six months ago. The timing of the article IMO was a big WTF! I'm not sure if you will acknowledge any of the points being made as to why the article was bad, it seems you will not do what you are criticizing others of, that is acknowledging a different perspective. You are in Caro's league in being a bona fida hypocrite. I will respond to your arguments short and sweet.

The timing of the article is irrelevant ( as didak lines up and misses). Its an opinion piece, she is the chief football writer, which is basically editor of football. She is not a reporter as such, she writes opinion pieces. Any review of a club, a story, whatever is always open to a story or opinion piece at any time. Eddie opened his mouth, she wrote about Eddie.

And how am I hypocritical? The story has a few things I disagreed with, but on the whole, you didnt disprove anything, you just didnt like the fact she wrote it.

Before you were claiming he was over exposed, too powerful and shoots his mouth of too much but I will agree with you, Eddie isn't as exposed anymore, Pert seems to have a bigger influence at the club and mroe important than anything else things have going smoothly over the past six months, but we all know why Caro attakced Eddie, she had her own personal agenda and we have no right in acknowledging even cringing at just how hypocritical she was? Sorry but we have more right than her to offer our opinions on the club we love.

See, this is where you let yourself down. I said he had a TV forum and much more exposure. I said he opened his mouth, I actually agreed with most of what he espoused. Why wouldnt I? It was in our interests. But that doesnt preclude me from seeing it as bias as well.

And Caro the Collingwood hater is trying to tell us what is good for Collingwood LOL. And that our president that has done so much for us as even you admitted should be fearing some sort of coo. Come on I know you want to be right, but surely you could see the monumental slip up you have made in this debate.

Her words were, he should be considering his future. And after 10 years, he probably should. Be it next year, 2 years, 5 years. Whenever. He should always be considering his future. She hasnt called for a coup. She said there are drums beating. Which sort of tells me that there might be rumblings at board level. And don't ever doubt that individuals in clubs use Caro to push their own personal agendas. So I take it she has heard first hand that all is not well at board level. ( as Hawkins shanks it)

Eddie can be criticised for sure. And he mishandled the Didak/Shaw and stuffed up on the pubs, although Arocca and Swan were the rats that made the decisions and Didak/Shaw lied. He has acknowledged that the buck stops with him. But if Caro is going to suggest Eddie should be sacked from president, shouldn't she also acknowledge the reasons why Collingwood supporters love him and the good he does for the club. You have to balance the good with the bad my firend. Oh that's right, Caro knows Eddie is good for our club and that is probably why she has a personal bias against him.

She hasnt called for him to be sacked. She said drums are beating. It will come from within. It wont come from the media, if it comes at all. And if it is from within, it may just verify what I said about Eddie's public posturing about a flag this year. He needs to be seen to be pushing the most important of agendas at the club. And it allows him to distance himself from MM if he feels pushing MM will prolong his stay as president. Dont doubt that Eddie would do this.

Of coarse. However she is a footy journalist and therefore if she wants credibility and not to be laughed at she needs to have some integrity. Instead she has all these personal wars in the football world that she is blaiming Eddie of and it is actually quite sad. And another thing, if Caro has a personal bias against Collingwood than surely you could understand that we have a personal bias against her right?

So, who better qualified to write about it and the consequences of it all? Someone who plays the same game! Good on her!

In the end, Eddie is a good guy. As a reader of the article you and me can see through her persoanal bias, we both know Eddie is both good for our club and for society. She is neither of those.

He is good for our club. I have never said he wasnt. I want him to stay. She just wrote an opinion that his time may be nearing the end. And after 11 years, I am guessing he is closer to the end than he is to the start.

It's good for us to know what is happening, but really do we need to read about stuff that happened 6 months ago, or that Eddie was mean to Eugine Arocca? Seriously Caro writes this shit and quite frankly alot of good people think that what she writes about is garbage.

Why not? She is entitled to put it all in context, and stuff 6 months ago is in context of the way Eddie is conducting himself. If it was 3 years back then I'd agree, but 6 months ago isnt all that far removed from today in terms of effect on the club.

Fan sites can be a good measure of how people feel about something. It provides me and you with feedback. One thing we know by reading bigfooty that Eddie (even though a mature adult can acknowledge he is a fantastic person) is probably the most hated man on bigfooty. But despite that, even regular trolls and most other readerssaw the irony and hypocrisy in what Caro wrote. Can you?

But if you defended Eddie's right to be a media figure and push his personal agendas in the past, then surely it is hypocritical to condemn someone else for doing the same.

Wouldnt it?

Sure she CAN write crap. That's her decision. But if she carries these blatant personal agendas blaiming others for the same thing... she can expect us to laugh at her.

She has been laughed at and condemned for years, it sort of hasnt stopped her. While you spend mental energy hating her, she still probably pulls 250 large every year and not changing a thing. So I am guessing she is winning, hypocritical or not!

 

[Colin Grigson]

I haven't read all the posts but I think that the fact Mick Malthouse's job is under this sort of scrutiny is an absolute joke.

I mean sure, you look at Malthouse's w/l ratio and yes, it could be better, the fact is, he's had to cop the brunt of some absolute shithouse recruiting prior to 2005 which really set you guys back.

Its only really been since 2005 that you guys have got your recruiting right, but the fact that Mick had got you into two gf's in a row on the back of some pretty dodgy recruiting speaks volumes of his coaching ability.

He is a fantastic coach, and i think its an insult that this kind of criticism is being flung about. I guess there's no one else on the chopping block, so the media have to put someone there, bunch of pricks.

Nothing has been said about how the pies managed to turn around their fortunes after 06' when you were expected to 'bottom out'...I just think its the typical journalistic nonsense....people with very little to add vainly justifying their existence..

 

[Paddywhackers]

FU.

You are the one telling us we should just put up, harden up and that we should accept the dribble Caro writes. Even better, she is on 250,000K so I feel that we the readers can hold her accountable, (we buy her newspaper) by offering our opinions and in this instance almost all agree she is blatantly carrying out a personal vandetta whilst accusing Eddie of doing the same.

I'm aloud to laugh, ridicule her for all that she wrote. That's my perspective and I along with everyone else in this thread sees it this way.

You barely addressed any of my points, or you did was claim that Eddie isn't perfect (no one is) and that Caro can write bias' pieces of shit, whilst claiming we should acknowledge her perspective. Again you are in Caro's league of hypocricy.

We're all talking about personal bias and of coarse many on here have a bias towards Eddie, he has done alot for our club. It seems that you have made no attempt at acknowledging that. You have even claimed that we shouldn't offer our perspective. Fair dinkum you are umbelievably short sighted which is what you are accusing other people of. I was on another fan site a few months back being drawn into arguments with idiots I fear I am having a similair argument on here with another.

 

[FuManchu]

FU.

You are the one telling us we should just put up, harden up and that we should accept the dribble Caro writes. Even better, she is on 250,000K so I feel that we the readers can hold her accountable, (we buy her newspaper) by offering our opinions and in this instance almost all agree she is blatantly carrying out a personal vandetta whilst accusing Eddie of doing the same.

You really dont have the grasp of irony do you?

Harden up, if it means you are so precious to criticism of a figure that attracts criticism. then YEAH. Eddie is on a lot more and yet apparently he cannot be held accountable by her who would be on a lot less. Yeah, like that makes sense! If you dont like what she writes, dont read it, because I'm guessing you never have and you just never will.

I'm aloud to laugh, ridicule her for all that she wrote. That's my perspective and I along with everyone else in this thread sees it this way.

Well, I would hardly think those that choose to frequent these forums are the whole combined opinion of all football followers. In fact you might say a Collingwood forum frequented by Collingwood suporters is the very definition of a dissatified group in relation to an article critical of the Collingwood president. Hardly a consensus of the footballing public.

And yes, you are aloud (sic) to ridicule her, no-one wants to stop you, in fact, its making my day that you attempt to

You barely addressed any of my points, or you did was claim that Eddie isn't perfect (no one is) and that Caro can write bias' pieces of shit, whilst claiming we should acknowledge her perspective. Again you are in Caro's league of hypocricy.

Eddie in the past has done exactly the same as Caro is doing here. You take offence to her, yet welcome his same indiscretions. why is that? Surely she is allowed to operate on the same levels as him if you afford him that luxury. Why are you so sensitive to her criticism of eddie?

We're all talking about personal bias and of coarse many on here have a bias towards Eddie, he has done alot for our club. It seems that you have made no attempt at acknowledging that.

Havent I?

What about this?

He is good for our club. I have never said he wasnt. I want him to stay. She just wrote an opinion that his time may be nearing the end. And after 11 years, I am guessing he is closer to the end than he is to the start.

Or this

Now that is all and good because he is on our side and we enjoyed the fruits of his work.

Or this?

He has done an excellent job.

Or this?

Eddie has done undoubted good at Collingwood and I dont think he is in danger or should he be.

you really dont read things do you? These and numerous other instances of where I said Eddie is good for the club and should stay.

You have even claimed that we shouldn't offer our perspective.

I've never said that, I believe that this forum is for everyone to put forward their view. It seems more to me that people like yourself dont want any dissenting view opposed to yours, where I quite welcome the debate

Fair dinkum you are umbelievably short sighted which is what you are accusing other people of. I was on another fan site a few months back being drawn into arguments with idiots I fear I am having a similair argument on here with another.

Stop talking to yourself then