Football rivalry question

[BluesMan]

Love seeing Man Utd fail the most, as well as beating them. w***ers

 

[This Is Anfield]

The rivalry between Liverpool and Everton has changed dramatically over the years.
It was always passionate and fierce but had that underlying connection of "we're all Scouse", Liverpool and Everton fans sat together at Wembley and were genuinely pleased that if Liverpool couldn't then Everton could. The majority of my Dad's family is Blue, luckily Dad was the smary one in the family.
Sadly that's no longer the case. We're now the "Redshite" and they are the "Bitters".
Personally, not fond of Manchester United it must be said. In fact I despise them with every fibre of my being, always have and always will.
Detest Chelsea, haven't always but have since 2005.
Respect Arsenal and their supporters, proper football club. Find Spurs to be amusing (fancy finally finishing above Arsenal, Man U, Man C, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton and still not winning it!)

 

[jod23]

Liverpool - fans are hypocrites, support racism, quite jealous over the fact that even when winning everything they were still not the biggest, most romantic and greatest club in England.

Sunderland for always avoiding relegations and being pointless for 11 months of the year.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Rivalries have changed both over there and worldwide as the Premier League has become so commercial and thus fanbases have become so diluted and less tribal: it's not as much a generational thing any more.

At least I think that's calmed down a lot of the rivalries with big clubs. They're all beset by less passionate fans.

The Manchester derby is pretty hardcore in Manchester itself from my experience. There was always a real "blue or red" split that I saw, as opposed to outside Manchester where United and increasingly City have more bandwagon and less invested, genuine support.

I think Arsenal v Spurs is still strong too.

In the truest sense of the word I think the fiercest rivalry in the English higher divisions now is Newcastle and Sunderland. Neither have success in the modern era and thus still largely have local, blindingly passionate fanbases, yet both are still huge clubs in their own right. And neither have trophies on the horizon so the derby becomes the true be-all and end-all each year.

For example - Sunderland recently won 6 straight games against Newcastle over three seasons which is the greatest thing many of the fans of a certain age had seen. I read an online discussion recently, given Sunderland's position, asking their supporters if they'd swap the 6-0 for 0-6 if it meant staying in the PL vs relegation. The tone was largely no, they wouldn't. Not sure you'd see that sort of importance placed on a derby in many other English rivalries.

It also mentioned they fought on opposite sides in the English Civil War (in the 1640s!) so there's a touch of history there!

 

[NUFC Tiger]

Haha just with the fan base, bigger stadium than most but not a lot to show for it that is down to the owners really, as an outsider it must be hugely frustrating for the fans

Haha oh fair enough Ossie. I have noticed in some sections of the media and with some opposition fans the perception is Newcastle is a small club with deluded ideas of being a 'top/big' club and thought that might have been what you meant. I don't know where that perception has come from though - 99% of our fans will tell you we are absolute poop haha. If we could get our house in order, we could probably become a top half side again but things are never simple on Tyneside.

 

[peternorth]

i know in my fifa playing days i always liked choosing st james park as a netural playing venue

 

[NUFC Tiger]

Rivalries have changed both over there and worldwide as the Premier League has become so commercial and thus fanbases have become so diluted and less tribal: it's not as much a generational thing any more.

At least I think that's calmed down a lot of the rivalries with big clubs. They're all beset by less passionate fans.

The Manchester derby is pretty hardcore in Manchester itself from my experience. There was always a real "blue or red" split that I saw, as opposed to outside Manchester where United and increasingly City have more bandwagon and less invested, genuine support.

I think Arsenal v Spurs is still strong too.

In the truest sense of the word I think the fiercest rivalry in the English higher divisions now is Newcastle and Sunderland. Neither have success in the modern era and thus still largely have local, blindingly passionate fanbases, yet both are still huge clubs in their own right. And neither have trophies on the horizon so the derby becomes the true be-all and end-all each year.

For example - Sunderland recently won 6 straight games against Newcastle over three seasons which is the greatest thing many of the fans of a certain age had seen. I read an online discussion recently, given Sunderland's position, asking their supporters if they'd swap the 6-0 for 0-6 if it meant staying in the PL vs relegation. The tone was largely no, they wouldn't. Not sure you'd see that sort of importance placed on a derby in many other English rivalries.

It also mentioned they fought on opposite sides in the English Civil War (in the 1640s!) so there's a touch of history there!

The mackems are a sad bunch, they harp on about 6 in a row like it's the greatest thing ever yet to this no one's ever seen a Mackem in europe!

But yeah, a lot of what you say bunk is pretty true. Football in the north east is pretty important. I believe the NE is generally very working class compared to most and the blue collared people generally put a lot of investment in their local teams.

And as you pointed out, neither club has any real success to trumpet nor prospects of success on the horizon so the derby is very important. The most recent one being extra vital as both clubs are fighting to avoid the drop this season. Probably doesn't have the profile of the Merseyside or Manchester derbies but if both teams were stronger entities, who knows what influence that might have (in terms of raising the profile of the fixture/attracting more 'casual' fans etc).

i know in my fifa playing days i always liked choosing st james park as a netural playing venue

Smart move - less risk of players from either team picking up infections that way.

Not to mention St James' Park poops all over the aptly named stadium of $hite

 

[peternorth]

Smart move - less risk of players from either team picking up infections that way.

Not to mention St James' Park poops all over the aptly named stadium of $hite

it is a nice stadium. also played the internationals there to give the locals something to potentially cheer and feel good about

 

[NUFC Tiger]

it is a nice stadium. also played the internationals there to give the locals something to potentially cheer and feel good about

Would be better without all the Wonga and Sports Direct logos!

Interestingly, when the Socceroos play England next month, the match with be in Sunderland. Hope the team has travel insurance for when they visit wearside.

 

[Boro]

The North East rivalries are great. Boro are obviously the smallest of the three clubs but the derbies are always very passionate and the hate for Sunderland and Newcastle is real amongst many. I've probably mellowed with age when it comes to hating them, but I still dislike them with a passion. There is a big difference between hating sides because you are supposed to and actually living over there and going through it though..I also think the hatred has mellowed between a lot of rivals as the game has become more franchise and less tribal. There is lots of tough talk on twitter and in forums these days, rather than on the streets... it was a bit different in the past...supporting teams in the 80's was a lot of fun...and dangerous

 

[NUFC Tiger]

The North East rivalries are great. Boro are obviously the smallest of the three clubs but the derbies are always very passionate and the hate for Sunderland and Newcastle is real amongst many. I've probably mellowed with age when it comes to hating them, but I still dislike them with a passion. There is a big difference between hating sides because you are supposed to and actually living over there and going through it though..I also think the hatred has mellowed between a lot of rivals as the game has become more franchise and less tribal. There is lots of tough talk on twitter and in forums these days, rather than on the streets... it was a bit different in the past...supporting teams in the 80's was a lot of fun...and dangerous

Despite being one of our chief rivals, I actually like Boro - maybe it's the heavy Aussie links over the years?

I hope for the return of the Tyne-Tees derby, in the PL, next season. Up the smoggies, down with the mackems!

 

[Manchego Cheese]

The rivalry between Liverpool and Everton has changed dramatically over the years.
It was always passionate and fierce but had that underlying connection of "we're all Scouse", Liverpool and Everton fans sat together at Wembley and were genuinely pleased that if Liverpool couldn't then Everton could. The majority of my Dad's family is Blue, luckily Dad was the smary one in the family.
Sadly that's no longer the case. We're now the "Redshite" and they are the "Bitters".
Personally, not fond of Manchester United it must be said. In fact I despise them with every fibre of my being, always have and always will.
Detest Chelsea, haven't always but have since 2005.
Respect Arsenal and their supporters, proper football club. Find Spurs to be amusing (fancy finally finishing above Arsenal, Man U, Man C, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton and still not winning it!)

Arsenal and their supporters are "proper football club." Interesting.

 

[peternorth]

a lot of arsenal fans rejoicing at spurs inability to win this morning. i dont understand it, especially IF spurs finish above them. its a big IF at the moment given events of this morning as a matter of fact.

as sports club supporters we strive for success. but i guess in this day and age you gotta take whatever small wins you can get like finishing above a certain team. yay

 

[Great8]

a lot of arsenal fans rejoicing at spurs inability to win this morning. i dont understand it, especially IF spurs finish above them. its a big IF at the moment given events of this morning as a matter of fact.

as sports club supporters we strive for success. but i guess in this day and age you gotta take whatever small wins you can get like finishing above a certain team. yay

But trophies are all that matters and if your team can't win them the next best thing is your hated rivals also failing. It's double the pain when you don't win but they do

 

[Del80659]

that's a good definition of silver lining for mine, it doesn't mean much but it's like seeing your rival getting sucked down with you after you fail, because it basically is