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I thought given we are in the off season it would be an intresting or worth while excerise to go over some commonly used and misused football terms. Hopefully this will in some small way reduce the amount of discussions that are all over the place with people having different understandings of the same term.

Inside- Is pretty much exactly that. Players who work well in tight space. Clearances, First touch, and contested possesions are all features of a "inside" player.
It is commonly misunderstood and misused for tough. Being tough is often a trait of inside players but is not a requirement. Just because your not a tough nut doesn't mean your not good inside although the best pure inside players are tough in and under players.

Outside- Pretty much the opposite, it is used for players who are good at opperating in space. Running bounces, handballs recieved and uncontested marks are all stats the indicate outside possesion. It is commonly misused to describe "soft" players.

AS Figjam has so well explained there should be a dulux paint scheme of inside / outsideness as they aren't really exclusive. In such a scheme there would be Inside first touch gurus- Guys who are clearance and ball winning specialists. Inside linking players the players who are neat inside and good outside and then outside players who only function well when in space.

"Soft"- Is a pretty harsh term and should only really be used by players who "short step" or avoid and dodge contact. In games there will be times where a ball is in dispute and a player should be commited to go and but their body on the line to win the ball, any player who doesn't go into the contest or goes in half hearted starts to fall into the soft catergory. To use an old favourite Ryan Lonie on a number of occasions would pull up and make a choice to avoid the contest and then try and tackle rather then to win the ball.

Upside- Is used for young players with room for great improvement. This mainly applies to young guys who have great skills but lack the physical development or fitness required for AFL level. Not all young players have a huge deal of upside. Sidebottom for one doesn't have a huge deal of upside. Lack of upside is not as terrible as people seem to seem guys like Sidebottom and Rich have a lot of already AFL ready attributes which means they won't need to improve or work on as much to be AFL players.

Other common misconceptions Goal kicking and field kicking. They are different skills. Being poor at one doesn't always result in being poor at the other. Someone like Medhurst is a good goal kick but a very average field kick, Someone like Ried is a terrible goal kick but a decent field kick. This get even more tricky in someone like Thomas's case who has the ability to kick freak check side goals but is an average kick for goal in general and an average field kick.
 
I disagree on one point there; Sidebottom has plenty of upside. Perhaps not in comparison to kicking 10 goals in a GF, but generally speaking he is bottom-aged and has not spent a lot of time under the ruckman for the Vic Country side, I'd expect a steep learning curve in AFL and for Steele to step up accordingly.

The only thing lacking from Sidebottom is sprint pace, it doesn't mean he lacks upside.
 
I disagree on one point there; Sidebottom has plenty of upside. Perhaps not in comparison to kicking 10 goals in a GF, but generally speaking he is bottom-aged and has not spent a lot of time under the ruckman for the Vic Country side, I'd expect a steep learning curve in AFL and for Steele to step up accordingly.

The only thing lacking from Sidebottom is sprint pace, it doesn't mean he lacks upside.
Blair might be a Better Example of Lack of Upside because you can't seem him improving heaps
 
I disagree on one point there; Sidebottom has plenty of upside. Perhaps not in comparison to kicking 10 goals in a GF, but generally speaking he is bottom-aged and has not spent a lot of time under the ruckman for the Vic Country side, I'd expect a steep learning curve in AFL and for Steele to step up accordingly.

The only thing lacking from Sidebottom is sprint pace, it doesn't mean he lacks upside.

Yeah Sidebottom's upside is his endurance which on his first training placed him 'on the podium' in a long distance run, further honed this would enable him to become one of our best 'run all day' midfielders in the mould of Licuria, but with better foot skills. So the upside is considerable as previously he has played as a half back like Marty Clarke and I think the goal for both of them is to become future on-ballers as both show elite endurance capacities. That's his upside is that he hasn't been exploited thus far in regards to the depths of his endurance capabilities, and next year with his first AFL pre-season under his belt hopefully we can begin to tap into that because God knows we need the help in our midfield. Let's hope Sidebottom and Beams are the complements to Pendlebury and Thomas we have been praying for.
 

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All young players on any list have upside, anyone who has played the game knows you get more confident and find the game easier after 50 to 100 games when you finally feel you belong.
If players still cant break in after this many games and contribute positively then they are clearly not up to the standard required.
 
Elite - Should be used just for the very best of the best. Buckley/Hird/Voss were elite. Judd/Franklin/Ablett are now in the elite. I'll go through the teams that I think have ELITE players:

Adelaide - McLeod (maybe not now but was once elite)
Brisbane - Black (maybe not now but was once elite)
Carlton - Judd
Collingwood - 0
Essendon - 0
Fremantle - Pavlich
Geelong - Ablett
Hawthorn - Franklin
Kangaroos - 0
Melbourne - lol
Port - Treadrea (same as Black, was once elite)
Richmond - Cousins (maybe not anymore, who knows)
St.Kilda - 0
Sydney - Goodes
WCE - Cox
Bulldogs - Cooney (maybe not quite there yet)

So I have 5 players as elite as of now, 4 players that may not be considered elite nowadays but definentely were back in the day and 1 who may or may not be elite. Furthermore, I only placed Cox in the elite category as he is the best ruck by a country mile. I define elite as those players that can do pretty much anything, can consistently turn a game on it's head and are pretty much the best players in the world. I may have been harsh on players like Boomer/Richo/Riewoldt/Kerr/Bartel/Hodge etc but I rate these other players as very, very, very good but just not quite up in the eilite bracket. Also, in case anyone brings it up, I think that Treadrea's best was much better than Jonothan Brown's best. And no, I don't think that Collingwood have any elite players, hopefully Pendles can join this category one day but is not quite there yet.
 
Elite - Should be used just for the very best of the best. Buckley/Hird/Voss were elite. Judd/Franklin/Ablett are now in the elite. I'll go through the teams that I think have ELITE players:

Adelaide - McLeod (maybe not now but was once elite)
Brisbane - Black (maybe not now but was once elite)
Carlton - Judd
Collingwood - 0
Essendon - 0
Fremantle - Pavlich
Geelong - Ablett
Hawthorn - Franklin
Kangaroos - 0
Melbourne - lol
Port - Treadrea (same as Black, was once elite)
Richmond - Cousins (maybe not anymore, who knows)
St.Kilda - 0
Sydney - Goodes
WCE - Cox
Bulldogs - Cooney (maybe not quite there yet)

So I have 5 players as elite as of now, 4 players that may not be considered elite nowadays but definentely were back in the day and 1 who may or may not be elite. Furthermore, I only placed Cox in the elite category as he is the best ruck by a country mile. I define elite as those players that can do pretty much anything, can consistently turn a game on it's head and are pretty much the best players in the world. I may have been harsh on players like Boomer/Richo/Riewoldt/Kerr/Bartel/Hodge etc but I rate these other players as very, very, very good but just not quite up in the eilite bracket. Also, in case anyone brings it up, I think that Treadrea's best was much better than Jonothan Brown's best. And no, I don't think that Collingwood have any elite players, hopefully Pendles can join this category one day but is not quite there yet.
Almost spot on there but Brent Harvey is definatly elite for the roos, and so is Reiwoldt for St Kilda without a doubt.
 
Re the term elite. I 100% agree. I measure "eliteness" by how much impact and individual can have on a game and how consistantly they do it. Guys who consistantly impact the shape of games on their own I consider elite. I would have a couple more. Boomer Harvey and Brown being 2.

For that reason I don't have Didak as elite. He can have huge match impact but doesn't do it consistantly.
 
I don't know if he should be considered elite, but Mitchell is unsurpassed for ball winning ability in the clearance sense. In that regard he deserves to be elite. I'd also be thinking Hodge would be desperately close to elite.
 

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