Freagles

[TheRealBuzz]

All the media talk about State of Origin and All Australian sides over the past couple of week has gotten me very excited.

Pretend sides are the sorts of things that make life worth living and create a warm/fuzzy feeling inside your stomach.

So here is a combined WCE/Freo side that I call The Freagles.

FF: Ph.Matera...........T.Wilson.............T.Croad
HF: P.Medhurst.........J.Longmuir.........J.Farmer
CS: Pe.Matera..........P.Haselby...........D.Kerr
HB: A.Grover.............G.Jakovich..........S.Parker
FB: M.Pavlich.............A.McIntosh.........D.Wirrpunda

RR: M.Gardiner..........B.Cousins...........P.Bell

IB: T.Simmonds, T.Cook, C.Fletcher, C.Judd

Willow gets the FF position because he's averaged more goals then Croad. Longmuir was the only choice at CHF (and could rotate with Gardy).

Fido, Farmer and Big Hair Man will crumb anything that they don’t mark.

Kerr isn't really suited to a wing, but needed to be somewhere in the midfield. The rest are obvious.

Grover has become a very good player this year. Is very quick, can play tall or small and provides good run from defence.

Parker gets in over a very unlucky Collica. And while Wirrpunda hasn't played a lot of footy in defence this year, I'd still have him over anyone else.

P.S - Yes, I am bored.

 

[dbhattarai]

I was thinking about the same thing, funny enough.

This is my team:

F: J.Longmuir Wilson Ph. Matera
HF: Farmer Croad Kerr
C: P.Matera Hasleby Wirrapunda
HB: Grover Pavlich Parker
B: Koops McIntosh Jakovich
R: Gardiner Cousins Bell

I: Simmonds, Judd, Medhurst, Cook


Well our squads are similar, but I had Koops instead of Fletcher because I think we need someone that can defend a small forward. WC's small defenders havn't been that great, and although Koops hasn't been that great in the last 2 weeks, he had a great start to the season.

I put Pavlich ahead of Jako at CHB, because IMHO he is clearly more creative at setting up plays and is more attacking, can run more and is more versatile. Also, his kicking skills are superior to Jako. Their age might have contributed to some of these factors.

And I think Croad should play at CHF and J.Longmuir in the forward pocket.

 

[jod23]

Hmm...here is my attempt

FF - Matera Wilson Farmer
HF - Medhurst Longmuir Croad
C - PeMatera Kerr Wirrpunda
HB - Parker Jakovich Grover
FB - Pavlich McIntosh Wooden

R - Gardiner Cousins Haselby

INT - Bell Simmonds Judd Cook


FF - Phillip Matera and Farmer pick themselves as forward pockets, Wilson ahead of Croad for FF because Wilson is better on the lead and is more of a physical presense.

HF - Medhurst has being great and is a creative half forward, J-Lo is the only real option from both sides as a real CHF and Croad has to be somewhere up forward.

C - Matera has being in great form on a wing, Kerr the best in and under midfielder from both sides and Wirrpunda picks himself.

HB - Parker just ahead of Collica, Jakovich in his natural position, Pavlich is good but not that good...yet. Agree with Buzz, Grover has emerged as a real talent.

FB - Pavlich had to be somewhere so a back pocket it is, McIntosh is still one of the premier FB's in the comp and on this years form Wooden deserves the small backmen spot.

R - Gardiner is obviously first ruck and Cousins and Haselby are no brainers.

INT - Bell missed out on a starter spot because he isnt as attacking as Kerr, Matera or Punda who got the midfield roles. Simmonds is Gardy's back up but only got in because if i picked Cox i would get abuse but on this years form Cox has probably being better. Judd and Cook add a little drive and polish to the midfield.

 

[funky_monk]

Originally posted by jod23
Hmm...here is my attempt

FF - Matera Wilson Farmer
HF - Medhurst Longmuir Croad
C - PeMatera Kerr Wirrpunda
HB - Parker Jakovich Grover
FB - Pavlich McIntosh Wooden

R - Gardiner Cousins Haselby

INT - Bell Simmonds Judd Cook


FF - Phillip Matera and Farmer pick themselves as forward pockets, Wilson ahead of Croad for FF because Wilson is better on the lead and is more of a physical presense.

HF - Medhurst has being great and is a creative half forward, J-Lo is the only real option from both sides as a real CHF and Croad has to be somewhere up forward.

C - Matera has being in great form on a wing, Kerr the best in and under midfielder from both sides and Wirrpunda picks himself.

HB - Parker just ahead of Collica, Jakovich in his natural position, Pavlich is good but not that good...yet. Agree with Buzz, Grover has emerged as a real talent.

FB - Pavlich had to be somewhere so a back pocket it is, McIntosh is still one of the premier FB's in the comp and on this years form Wooden deserves the small backmen spot.

R - Gardiner is obviously first ruck and Cousins and Haselby are no brainers.

INT - Bell missed out on a starter spot because he isnt as attacking as Kerr, Matera or Punda who got the midfield roles. Simmonds is Gardy's back up but only got in because if i picked Cox i would get abuse but on this years form Cox has probably being better. Judd and Cook add a little drive and polish to the midfield.

jod23. Bell on the interchange. WTF! How many Freo games have you watched this year. Whenever we have been on a run or under the pump as a team he has been there. If you want to say he is not in the top echelon of Buckley, Mcloed (or even Cousins) then understandable but Bell averages DOUBLE the possessions of Kerr & Wirrpunda and there is no way each of Bells possessions are only half as effective as Kerr's or Wirrpunda's. There is no way any afl coach (including Woosha) would have Bell on the bench in that team.

Wooden (in any position) would not be on a footy field starting ahead of Bellie.

 

[funky_monk]

Originally posted by jod23
Simmonds is Gardy's back up but only got in because if i picked Cox i would get abuse but on this years form Cox has probably being better. Judd and Cook add a little drive and polish to the midfield.

Stats comparison

Simmonds

Year G K M H D G P H.O. T
2002 10 94 55 56 150 6 4 165 14
Cox

Year G K M H D G P H.O. T
2002 10 58 49 57 115 2 1 180 10

Pretty even. Simmonds has 15 less Hit Outs (1.5 less per game) but has 35 more possessions (3.5 more per game). Simmonds has 4 more goals. Rest is even.

Simmonds is most prbably more versitle around the ground.

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by jod23
Hmm...here is my attempt

FF - Matera Wilson Farmer
HF - Medhurst Longmuir Croad
C - PeMatera Kerr Wirrpunda
HB - Parker Jakovich Grover
FB - Pavlich McIntosh Wooden

R - Gardiner Cousins Haselby

INT - Bell Simmonds Judd Cook


FF - Phillip Matera and Farmer pick themselves as forward pockets, Wilson ahead of Croad for FF because Wilson is better on the lead and is more of a physical presense.

HF - Medhurst has being great and is a creative half forward, J-Lo is the only real option from both sides as a real CHF and Croad has to be somewhere up forward.

C - Matera has being in great form on a wing, Kerr the best in and under midfielder from both sides and Wirrpunda picks himself.

HB - Parker just ahead of Collica, Jakovich in his natural position, Pavlich is good but not that good...yet. Agree with Buzz, Grover has emerged as a real talent.

FB - Pavlich had to be somewhere so a back pocket it is, McIntosh is still one of the premier FB's in the comp and on this years form Wooden deserves the small backmen spot.

R - Gardiner is obviously first ruck and Cousins and Haselby are no brainers.

INT - Bell missed out on a starter spot because he isnt as attacking as Kerr, Matera or Punda who got the midfield roles. Simmonds is Gardy's back up but only got in because if i picked Cox i would get abuse but on this years form Cox has probably being better. Judd and Cook add a little drive and polish to the midfield.

LOL
Bell on the interchange behind Kerr???
He is the highest possessions getter in the league and arguably one of the best captains.
Are you delusional?
We have already gone over the probale reasons for Peter Bell playing a more defensive role.
Its my opinion that is a ploy, with Haselby given the more attacking role due to his better marking capabilities.
Simmonds is a far better ruckman than Cox and stats back this up.

Pavlich is the all Austrlain half back thus far.
Jackos time is over and I doubt his record this year is better than Pavliches.

 

[Visro]

Originally posted by sabre_ac
Simmonds is a far better ruckman than Cox and stats back this up.

Pavlich is the all Austrlain half forward thus far.
Jackos time is over and I doubt his record this year is better than Pavliches.

Actually, stats show that both ruckman are fairly equal.

All-Australian CHF? Sheesh, and here I was thinking that he played CHB most of this season.

Jako's time is over is it? Dream on buddy...

 

[dbhattarai]

I think he meant CHB

But you never know with Sabre.


Anyway, having watched all Freo and WC games, Pavlich deserves CHB more than Jakovich.

 

[TheRealBuzz]

I put Pav in a back pocket simply because he'd be better suited in that position then Jakovich. Jako can only really play at CHB.

Pavlich is much more versatile and can play at FB, CHB and even move into the midfield. Playing in a back pocket would also allow him more freedom so he can be more creative (something he's very good at).

Sabre, saying that Jako's time is over is just petty.
Here are both players’ stats:

Matthew Pavlich:
Games: 12
Kicks:152
Marks: 64
HBalls:51
Disp: 203
Rebound: 54

Glen Jakovich:
Games: 11
Kicks:127
Marks: 40
HBalls:47
Disp: 173
Rebound: 49

Not a lot between the two. Especially in the very important Rebounds from defensive 50.

Both players are in great form, but I just felt Pav in a back pocket would be better for the sides balance.

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by funky_monk


jod23. Bell on the interchange. WTF! How many Freo games have you watched this year. Whenever we have been on a run or under the pump as a team he has been there. If you want to say he is not in the top echelon of Buckley, Mcloed (or even Cousins) then understandable but Bell averages DOUBLE the possessions of Kerr & Wirrpunda and there is no way each of Bells possessions are only half as effective as Kerr's or Wirrpunda's. There is no way any afl coach (including Woosha) would have Bell on the bench in that team.

Wooden (in any position) would not be on a footy field starting ahead of Bellie.

I have watched most of Freo's games this season and sure Bell has been good and yes he does have more disposals than any other player this season but that doesnt warrant him a place in the starting 18. Wirrpunda from half the possesions Bell has had has kicked 18 goals and torn games open. Wirrpunda hurts sides. Kerr's 17 to 22 possesions a game might not be Bells 30 - 35 but each of Kerr's are fought for at the bottom of a pack, getting a hard earned handball out of a pack....

Bell's possesions come from deep in defence, his possesions also are not penetrating kicks because Bell cant kick that long anyway...mostly its a handpass off to Pavlich or a short little kick to a wing or the CHB...his possesions dont hurt sides.

Bell would certainly get a run though, just wouldnt start the game. To be honest i dont get why Connolly plays him back there, its wastes his talent. We all saw how he could rip sides apart at the Roo's, since he has come to the Dockers he has just turned into this back pocket, half back flanker who doesnt really rebound all that well.

I like Bell but i think Freo are not using him very well, if he were at the Eagles i would want him at Half Forward and rotating through the midfield.

Just my opinion.

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by funky_monk


Wooden (in any position) would not be on a footy field starting ahead of Bellie.

How many WC games have you seen this year??? He has been fantastic for WC! I know its hard to believe, we West Coast supporters are still coming to terms with it but Josh Wooden has being one of our best this season.

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by funky_monk


Stats comparison

Simmonds

Year G K M H D G P H.O. T
2002 10 94 55 56 150 6 4 165 14
Cox

Year G K M H D G P H.O. T
2002 10 58 49 57 115 2 1 180 10

Pretty even. Simmonds has 15 less Hit Outs (1.5 less per game) but has 35 more possessions (3.5 more per game). Simmonds has 4 more goals. Rest is even.

Simmonds is most prbably more versitle around the ground.

Yep fair enough they have been pretty even but to be fair to Cox, he hasnt being the No.1 ruckmen all year like Simmonds. Cox was backing up Gardiner for the first 6 games so he had less game time and opportunity.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Originally posted by sabre_ac
Blah blah blah and some other stuff

Here's an idea, instead of constantly criticizing others with your eagle hating delusional drivel, why don't you construct your own team and see how easy it is. And try to include more than 2 eagles players, because Freo's whole list is not comprised of superstars.

P.S. I can't make my own team as the stupid Vic TV stations don't show many freo games (or eagles games for that matter), so making a team would be silly.

 

[sabre_ac]

FF - Matera Longmuir Medhurst
HF - Farmer Croad Wilson
C - PeMatera Bell Wirrpunda
HB - Parker Pavlich Grover
FB - Carr McIntosh Koops

R - Gardiner Cousins Haselby

INT - Kerr Simmonds Siegurt Cook

 

[blockerhall]

Here's a side the grandfather likes:

FF: Ph.Matera...........T.Wilson.............P.Medhurst
HF: T.Croad .............M.Gardiner..........J.Farmer
CS: Pe.Matera..........P.Haselby...........D.Kerr
HB: A.Grover.............M.Pavlich...........S.Parker
FB: M. Collica............A.McIntosh.........D.Wirrpunda

RR: T.Simmonds.........B.Cousins...........P.Bell

IC: J.Longmuir, G.Jakovich, T.Cook, J.Wooden


Wooden just gets in ahead of McManus. Cox out because I'm stacked with talls. Gardiner is the best option at CHF, ahead of Pavlich.

 

[LongBombFromOutside50]

FF: Ph. Matera...............T.Wilson...............J.Longmuir

HF: J.Farmer...............T.Croad...............P.Medhurst

C: Pe. Matera...............P.Hasleby...............D.Wirrpunda

HB: S.Koops...............M.Pavlich...............A.Grover

FB: S.Parker...............A. McIntosh...............M.Collica

R: M.Gardiner...............B.Cousins...............P.Bell

I: D.Kerr...............G.Jakovich...............T.Cook...............T.Simmonds


I have named the side based on the best player in each position. Pavlich gets the nod ahead of Jakovich at CHB without a doubt. As db said, he is much more creative, more versatile and has a better kick. Stats from this season show that Pav's season has been significantly better than Jako's as well. I see no reason why some Eagles fans have pushed Pav into a back pocket just so that Jakovich can start on the ground. Since Pav has been better than Jako at CHB this season and there is no other position for Jako to contend for (due to the fact that he is not versatile enough), there is no place for him to be on the ground. He has probably been good enough this season to earn a spot on the bench though.

Jod23, if any decent coach was coaching the side you named, Peter Bell would be on for Daniel Kerr within 10 seconds. Bell covers enormous ground throughout the game with his superior fitness and is a great link-man around the ground for us. He rarely makes a mistake and is an inspirational leader both on and off the field.

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by |D_J^B_J|

I have named the side based on the best player in each position. Pavlich gets the nod ahead of Jakovich at CHB without a doubt. As db said, he is much more creative, more versatile and has a better kick. Stats from this season show that Pav's season has been significantly better than Jako's as well. I see no reason why some Eagles fans have pushed Pav into a back pocket just so that Jakovich can start on the ground. Since Pav has been better than Jako at CHB this season and there is no other position for Jako to contend for (due to the fact that he is not versatile enough), there is no place for him to be on the ground. He has probably been good enough this season to earn a spot on the bench though.

Jod23, if any decent coach was coaching the side you named, Peter Bell would be on for Daniel Kerr within 10 seconds. Bell covers enormous ground throughout the game with his superior fitness and is a great link-man around the ground for us. He rarely makes a mistake and is an inspirational leader both on and off the field.

Pfft..absolute drivel above. Pavlich doesnt particularly have a better kick, he is a little more creative than Jako due to being younger, and more mobile. Lets see Pavlich be that creative after a knee recon?? Both have been very good this year and it is in no way, shape or form clear to anyone who has been better. Jakovich is the obvious choice for CHB because he has more experience, reads the play better and knows how to play that position better than Pavlich. You harp on about Pav's versitility then fair enough, play him somewhere else.

If the team really were combined there is no way Jakovich would not be in the starting 18.

I would start Bell on the ground if we were gonna use a spare man in defence, but im happy with my back six and believe they would come at worst even with there opponents so there is no need for Bell to be a spare man in defence. He isnt as attacking as Kerr so Bell comes off the bench to be used in spurts.

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by sabre_ac
FF - Matera Longmuir Medhurst
HF - Farmer Croad Wilson
C - PeMatera Bell Wirrpunda
HB - Parker Pavlich Grover
FB - Carr McIntosh Koops

R - Gardiner Cousins Haselby

INT - Kerr Simmonds Siegurt Cook

LOL...this is a shocker Sabre, take your Freo glasses off for a moment. A total of 8 Eagles players to 14 Freo players, apart from the fact that the Eagles are 6th on the ladder and the Dockers are what...10th??

Carr? Koops? Siegurt? How about Judd, Jakovich or Wooden instead of those 3?

 

[TheRealBuzz]

I think Grandpa Blocker's side looks pretty good.

Sabre, how the hell Siegert got into the side is a true mystery. I've hardly noticed the bloke all year. Surely Fletcher or McManus would be better?

Oh, and I'm disappointed that Troy Cook couldn't start on the ground in my side. Great player.

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by jod23


LOL...this is a shocker Sabre, take your Freo glasses off for a moment. A total of 8 Eagles players to 14 Freo players, apart from the fact that the Eagles are 6th on the ladder and the Dockers are what...10th??

Carr? Koops? Siegurt? How about Judd, Jakovich or Wooden instead of those 3?

Judd has been a good first year player but Siegurt has out perfromed him.
Maybe Wooden for Carr.
Jacko can only play center half back and when Pavlich takes that position there is no need for him in the side.

 

[funky_monk]

Originally posted by jod23


LOL...this is a shocker Sabre, take your Freo glasses off for a moment.

Wheres kuepper when you need him. pot, kettle, black.

Wooden ahead of Bell. Kerr ahead of Bell.

Bell is a champ. A leader. A crunch player. A great footy thinker. As far as physical ability goes he is the Larry Bird of the AFL. People play better when they are around him. Bell in short spurts!?!?! Have you seen anyone keep up with Bell for a whole game aerobically? Whatever you are smoking. Stop it! Its frying your brain!

Wooden is a chump. A crab. Who has had one ok half-season. He is barely good enough to clean the mud out of Bellies sprigs.

Kerr maybe a great player one day. But not in the class of Bellie. No way!

If you think Bell is better forward of centre then have him in your team in that position. If you are going to accuse others of bias don't come to the Freo board and say Wooden is better than Bell.

 

[funky_monk]

Originally posted by jod23


Jakovich is the obvious choice for CHB because he has more experience, reads the play better and knows how to play that position better than Pavlich. You harp on about Pav's versitility then fair enough, play him somewhere else.

The real reason Jako would be CHB is because he can't play another position if his life depended on it!! Full stop!

It would work though. Jako could take the mark at HB. Look tough, flex a bicep and then hand pass to someone with some kind of mobility (most probably to Pav).

afl.com had Pav as the all-australian CHB so far and Gary Lyon and Gerad Healy were torn between Leppitsch and Pav in their team. Times are achangin' jod. Jako is a good CHB and would make the Freagles starting 18 but the fact Pav at 20 is being compared to Jako at 27-28 yrs old must make you realise the greatness of young Pav.

Knee reconstructions can't be used as an excuse any more either these days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If Jako was a speed merchant who used superior leg speed or a side-step (a-la Chris Judd) and perhaps a knee recon slowed that then maybe.... But players are making comebacks from knee recons every second week these days. And most are not that significantly impaired.

 

[TheRealBuzz]

Originally posted by sabre_ac
Judd has been a good first year player but Siegurt has out perfromed him.

I can only assume that this is an attempt at humour?

Originally posted by sabre_ac
Jacko can only play center half back and when Pavlich takes that position there is no need for him in the side.

But doesn't the backline looks much more sturdy with both of them down there?

You guys are acting as though it's an insult for Pav to play in a back pocket. It's an absolute luxury and he'd still have a huge impact on games in that position.

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by TheRealBuzz


You guys are acting as though it's an insult for Pav to play in a back pocket. It's an absolute luxury and he'd still have a huge impact on games in that position.

Where acting as if its an insult to suggest that Jacko has out performed Pav down there.

 

[funky_monk]

Originally posted by TheRealBuzz

But doesn't the backline looks much more sturdy with both of them down there?

You guys are acting as though it's an insult for Pav to play in a back pocket. It's an absolute luxury and he'd still have a huge impact on games in that position.

Agreed! Although it should be a HB flank.

Just trying to get jod to acknowledge that Pav is a kick-ass player and will only get much better. And that Jakos lack of flexibility is what is determining the postions (not that Jako is better).