Fremantle cannot win the Flag with their current list

[Trump]

This isnt a cheap shot, but I feel as though the dockers list gets talked up to the point of no return.

Yes, the list has some A-graders but beyond the cream there is no real filling.

Guns: Pavlich, Macpharlin, Farmer

Better than Average : Hayden, Mundy, Tarrant, J. Carr, Bell

Average: Sandilands, Headland, Solomon, Grover, Black, Schammer,Johnson, Gilmore

Below Average: Dodd, Crowley, Mark Johnson

Deadset Hacks: Peake, Macmanus, Matthew Carr.

I think thats a fair assesment of where the list is at, Sandilands may be big, but he rarely has a massive impact on the game, players like Grover, Schammer and Gilmore are not premiership material, disposal in that team is very poor.

Im continually flummoxed as to why they are considered a threat at the start of each year, they cant win a premiership this year or next, they have missed the boat. Alot has been said but it is time to build for the future.

The same players each week make the same mistakes, yet they continue to get games.

I dont support Fremantle, but gee, just watching the whole club function is frustrating.

New blood has to be used, if only to ensure they develop some players who can take the club foward after the duds are culled.

Who? Palmer, Ibbotson, Mayne, Drum, Warnock ( Thats a nucleus of a centre set-up that can go places)

Its time for the Freo football club to take a punt and build from the base up.

Lets hope they pull their finger out.

 

[huggy_b]

In recruiting all these seasoned players, they now have the unenviable position of having no kids coming through. 2005 was a blessing and a curse - they made the finals, but then figured they had a premiership window when in actuality, they probably didn't. No results this season should = big broom and a big clean-up, start from scratch. Chances of that happening are slim though......

 

[wal]

Fremantle can't win a flag with their current list?

John Worsfold said the same thing about IPL's list after round 13 in 2004.

 

[Trump]

Fremantle can't win a flag with their current list?

John Worsfold said the same thing about IPL's list after round 13 in 2004.

What?

DO you think they can win a flag in the near future?

 

[wal]

In recruiting all these seasoned players, they now have the unenviable position of having no kids coming through. 2005 was a blessing and a curse - they made the finals, but then figured they had a premiership window when in actuality, they probably didn't. No results this season should = big broom and a big clean-up, start from scratch. Chances of that happening are slim though......

Scooting around all the claptrap in your post, the one "fact" you posted was also crap.
Fremantle made the finals in 2006 not 2005.

 

[wal]

What?

DO you think they can win a flag in the near future?

I think that if John Worsfold can get it so spectacularly wrong, then you certainly can.

 

[huggy_b]

Scooting around all the claptrap in your post, the one "fact" you posted was also crap.
Fremantle made the finals in 2006 not 2005.

How could have I cocked up your one and only finals appearance? Maybe cos I don't care that much about the Dorkers and their lame performances - sue me.

The rest of my post was bang on wal - pity you dont have the intelligence to respond in a meaningful manner.

 

[Trump]

I think that if John Worsfold can get it so spectacularly wrong, then you certainly can.

You havent answered the question.

Harvey Norman has got it spectacularly wrong. Fremantle are not in the best position to win their first ever flag, they are far from it.

The cleanup needs to begin sooner rather than later.

 

[legitimatic]

Thanks for the concern Mr West Coast supporter?

*Sigh*

 

[wal]

How could have I cocked up your one and only finals appearance? Maybe cos I don't care that much about the Dorkers and their lame performances - sue me.

The rest of my post was bang on wal - pity you dont have the intelligence to respond in a meaningful manner.

Too young to remember 2003?

 

[estibador]

How could have I cocked up your one and only finals appearance?

2 actually.

Trump - bit harsh calling Dodd a below average player. He's a solid defender and a real competitor. If only we had a few more with his determination. I wouldn't call Crowley below average either.

Our backline is solid and our forward line is good. We just need an injection of pace and skill in the midfield. Certainly not a whole rebuild.

 

[RAPPA]

OMG I am sick of seeing journalists and the like putting Fremantle in the top 4 in their pre-season predictions. Has there ever been a more overrated side? At least St Kilda gets close and chokes. Fremantle are just one massive disappointment. I pity the fans. Hasleby is past it (season ending knee injury just confirms it), Bell (playing for money), Headland and Solomon (suffer from a chemical imbalance in their heads), McManus (should be in an old folks home) etc etc. All i can say is, without Pav, Fremantle = wooden spoon

 

[Scruff83]

I would be very surprised if Fremantle won a flag before 2025. Joke of a side.

 

[legitimatic]

I would be very surprised if Fremantle won a flag before 2025. Joke of a side.

LOL I'd be surprised if Carlton haven't won another 10 spoons by then.

Talk about a joke side!

 

[huggy_b]

Too young to remember 2003?

Too young? Not likely cowboy - but like I said, I dont take an active role in remembering the Dockers finals appearances. Feel free to critic the rest of my post if you can.

2 actually.

Trump - bit harsh calling Doddy a below average player. He's a solid defender and a real competitor. If only we had a few more with his determination.

Our backline is solid and our forward line is good. We just need an injection of pace and skill in the midfield. Certainly not a whole rebuild.

Its too late now - they have too many oldies (who are not performing) and very few youngsters of note coming through. They didn't need to rebuild - they needed to make some tougher decisions and move some older players on, not be sucked into thinking they needed to "top up" their list and blood some young kids. But the crunch will come, be it this year or next. You have a big age trough in the middle thats not nearly full enough.

 

[wal]

You havent answered the question.

Yes, i see no reason why Fremantle cannot win the flag in the near future.

Harvey Norman has got it spectacularly wrong.

Who the cattle truck is Harvey Norman and what is the relevance?

Fremantle are not in the best position to win their first ever flag, they are far from it.

Why is that?

The cleanup needs to begin sooner rather than later.

Like the WC cleanout after 2004?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

You've underrated Peake - he'll be a very good wingman in years to come.

And you've overrated Tarrant, he adds nothing to the Fremantle forward line and his recruitment has hampered the development of guys like Murphy and Campbell, who now find themselves down the pecking order.

In the same way, the team's insistence on playing midfielders who are past their prime like M Carr, McManus and M.Johnson is setting back the deleopment of kids like Palmer, Mayne, Ibbottson and Foster. Those guys will benefit greatly from exposure to the speed and intensity of the AFL, and in the long run that's got to be better than eking a few more games out of old legs.

In the ordinary course Fremantle, after finishing a disappointing eleventh, would have labelled this a rebuilding year and cut out a lot of that dead wood. But they got sucked in after seeing Geelong come from outside the eight to win the flag, and by the hype surrounding their own list. The difference between Geelong and Fremantle is that Geelong have a strong and even 22 with few real standouts, while Fremantle is largely dependant on a handful of players, particularly Pavlich. Until they start to develop the kids to fill in the gaps around him, they're going to remain disappointing.

 

[Trump]

2 actually.

Trump - bit harsh calling Dodd a below average player. He's a solid defender and a real competitor. If only we had a few more with his determination.

Our backline is solid and our forward line is good. We just need an injection of pace and skill in the midfield. Certainly not a whole rebuild.

I tend to disagree, your foward line looks fantastic while Macpharlin is amongst the talls, but that leaves the Backline looking decidely weak, when he plays back, Freo become Pav concious and dont function well at all.

Havey needs to inject another tall IMO, Grover is at best a third tall defender.

Why a bloke like Drum hasnt been given a real go as opposed to a spare-parts man like Gilmore is beyond me.

Steven Dodd, well you're right he tries hard, maybe too hard. His disposal is poor and that is matched only by his skills which arent great.

Whilst you may not think a cleanup is needed its hard to make a case for the current crop.

M. Carr, Macmanus, Mark Johnson, Schammer, Crowley and Dodd even Black should be out on notice now,not when the season really starts to slip and a youth focus should be adopted.

Its a tough ask ahead of Harvey but I feel he needs to bite the bullet.

 

[legitimatic]

You're a proven troll Trump, either move this thread into Bay 13 or go away.

You start showing your real colours when you label Peake a dead-set hack and guys like Dodd and Crowley as below average.

Sandilands, Grover, Solomon and Johnson are all above average too and you KNOW it buddy.

 

[Trump]

Yes, i see no reason why Fremantle cannot win the flag in the near future.



Who the cattle truck is Harvey Norman and what is the relevance?



Why is that?



Like the WC cleanout after 2004?

Harvey Norman = Rick Hart.

Why do you keep mentioning West Coast, it has nothing to do with Freo's plight, but if you are willing to discuss that I will happily debate that with you.

WCE, werent an old side, they werent rewarding older players making the same mistakes and they put faith in their younger crop especially in Key positions.

It paid off.

Fremantle havent looked at the future at all and have put themselves in a hole which, if not corrected now, will be very hard to dig themselves out of.

 

[Scruff83]

LOL I'd be surprised if Carlton haven't won another 10 spoons by then.

Talk about a joke side!

Mate, come back to me when Freo have even made the last Saturday, we both know even that is a long way off!

 

[wal]

Too young? Not likely cowboy - but like I said, I dont take an active role in remembering the Dockers finals appearances. Feel free to critic the rest of my post if you can.



Its too late now - they have too many oldies (who are not performing) and very few youngsters of note coming through. They didn't need to rebuild - they needed to make some tougher decisions and move some older players on, not be sucked into thinking they needed to "top up" their list and blood some young kids. But the crunch will come, be it this year or next. You have a big age trough in the middle thats not nearly full enough.

You have no idea about our (recent) finals history, yet claim to have a thorough knowledge of our playing list?

Your momma wasn't a fan of Waylon Jennings was she?

 

[Trump]

You're a proven troll Trump, either move this thread into Bay 13 or go away.

You start showing your real colours when you label Peake a dead-set hack and guys like Dodd and Crowley as below average.

Sandilands, Grover, Solomon and Johnson are all above average too and you KNOW it buddy.

A proven troll? Prove it.

Im sorry, A bloke by the name of Andrew Macdougall had one bright year, I think he kicked 36 goals. I always rated him as a hack.

Peake played one good half of a year in 06. Yes injuries have restricted his output, but he is genuinely an average player who turns the ball over very,very often.

Thats not good enough for an outside mid who has pace. He should have time to hit is targets but rarely does, Dodd was in the WAFL last year for extended periods, with good reason, he's a fringe AFL player with poor skills.

Since Michael Johsons has been moved from the backline he has been average, that could change if he was moved back.

Crowley. Im sorry when has been anything more than a benchplayer?

 

[huggy_b]

You have no idea about our (recent) finals history, yet claim to have a thorough knowledge of our playing list?

Your momma wasn't a fan of Waylon Jennings was she?

*insert slow clap*

Mate, you have proven beyond doubt you have no argument to counter my points. Well done, nothing but pathetic one liners.

I live in Perth, I watch all of their games live (myself and my mate are both members, he's a Dockers supporter) - sorry I dont know when and how many times you have made the finals.

However, I know your list and I know its shortcomings from an objective stand point. Do you even go to the games dear wal? Or another arm chair champion??

 

[wal]

Why do you keep mentioning West Coast, it has nothing to do with Freo's plight, but if you are willing to discuss that I will happily debate that with you..

Of course WC are irrelevant, however i assme you would agree Worsfold is alot more knowledgeable than you, yet he was proven incorrect when he stated that WC could not win a flag with WC's list in 2004.

WCE, werent an old side, they werent rewarding older players making the same mistakes and they put faith in their younger crop especially in Key positions...

That especially made me laugh. Do you honestly believe that?

Fremantle havent looked at the future at all and have put themselves in a hole which, if not corrected now, will be very hard to dig themselves out of.

Losing round one (away) puts you in a hole?