Future Draft Picks

[strauchanie59]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but I for one would like to see Future Draft Picks, like the NBA, implemented, so that during trade week you could trade, for example, player A and your 2nd round pick for the 2014 draft for their first round pick in the 2013 draft. I think it could make a lot more trades done in trade week, which isn't the best idea, with players always moving but I would like to see it.

What is everyone's thoughts on this idea?

 

[Sin City]

Yep, I'm a fan of it too.

 

[philthy05]

should have been implemented several years ago to cut off the players association argument for free agency. if teams had access to their following years draft picks (only the following picks, and no top 5 pick protected or anything like that, keep it simple) than it would have made the main argument for free agency invalid.

seeing as a pick 3,20 and recent pick #4 landed judd than two first round picks and your list should give you enough to work a trade.

now with free agency its probably not worth it anymore.

 

[Super Hans]

I like the idea, and it's shown it can semi work with the 17 year old draft.

 

[suntagonal]

Furthermore, tanking becomes less of an issue.
Losing games doesn't really have much consequence to you if the picks already been given away

 

[Mixed Results]

Not a possibility with the current Father Son rules

 

[SydneyPhilly]

Not a possibility with the current Father Son rules

I'm genuinely curious how it wouldn't. Please Explain.

 

[josh the gent]

I'm genuinely curious how it wouldn't. Please Explain.

The current father-son process does complicate the trading of future picks...

The current time-order of what happens is:

1. Father-son bidding
2. Trade week
3. AFL draft.

The bidding on father-son players takes place prior to the trade period, and any successfully bid players are then tied to that club, at that draft pick, in the coming draft. That pick may not be traded once it is used to secure a player.

Probably easiest to explain with a quick 2012 example - draft order was:
1. GWS
2. GC
3. Melbourne

Father-son bidding - Melbourne nominated Jack Viney as a father son pick. They were hoping that neither GWS, nor GC, would nominate either pick 1 or 2 on Viney, as under father-son rules, Melbourne can then either take him with pick 3, or allow him to GWS or GC. They were lucky, and GWS/GC didn't bid, Port Adelaide did with pick 7, which forced Melb to secure Viney with their next relevant pick - 26.

However, if you could trade future picks, what would have stopped Melbourne trading all their early 2012 picks during the 2011 trade period?! Then come the 2012 father-son bidding process, Melbourne's first pick would have been around pick 100, and again, if Port bid at pick 7, Melb's next available pick is 100, which they would use to pick Viney.

 

[smashh]

The father/son thing is a good point that I hadn't thought of, but I've long thought of this as a possibility for the AFL. Although I think the trading of future picks works best in NBA and trades are going on live during the draft, which isn't the case in the AFL

 

[Mr Magic]

The current father-son process does complicate the trading of future picks...

The current time-order of what happens is:

1. Father-son bidding
2. Trade week
3. AFL draft.

The bidding on father-son players takes place prior to the trade period, and any successfully bid players are then tied to that club, at that draft pick, in the coming draft. That pick may not be traded once it is used to secure a player.

Probably easiest to explain with a quick 2012 example - draft order was:
1. GWS
2. GC
3. Melbourne

Father-son bidding - Melbourne nominated Jack Viney as a father son pick. They were hoping that neither GWS, nor GC, would nominate either pick 1 or 2 on Viney, as under father-son rules, Melbourne can then either take him with pick 3, or allow him to GWS or GC. They were lucky, and GWS/GC didn't bid, Port Adelaide did with pick 7, which forced Melb to secure Viney with their next relevant pick - 26.

However, if you could trade future picks, what would have stopped Melbourne trading all their early 2012 picks during the 2011 trade period?! Then come the 2012 father-son bidding process, Melbourne's first pick would have been around pick 100, and again, if Port bid at pick 7, Melb's next available pick is 100, which they would use to pick Viney.

I like the future draft pick idea to.

I don't understand how father son bids have any relevance. eg. Melbourne gets a first round pick, if they traded it away and say North put up their first round for say Viney, Viney goes to North not Melbourne at 100. Can't see how fatherson creates a loophole, trading for future picks creates pros and cons, part of it is managing the benefits and risks

 

[Mr Magic]

should have been implemented several years ago to cut off the players association argument for free agency. if teams had access to their following years draft picks (only the following picks, and no top 5 pick protected or anything like that, keep it simple) than it would have made the main argument for free agency invalid.

seeing as a pick 3,20 and recent pick #4 landed judd than two first round picks and your list should give you enough to work a trade.

now with free agency its probably not worth it anymore.

What is/was the player association argument for free agency and how is it related to future picks???

 

[philthy05]

What is/was the player association argument for free agency and how is it related to future picks???

their main argument was that players couldnt go to their prefered teams cause often a trade couldnt be worked out.

they called this a restriction of something or other i forget the terms they used, they may have had some legal grounds and worse case if it came to it they either would have won a court case, or lost the court case (they were posturing that it would go that far) and still cost the game in bad publicity either way so the afl boffins gave in to their demands with the compromise that we now have as free agency.

with trading for players teams were very hesitant to trade players with the risks involved (upsetting playing group) and often did not want to trade their only first round pick away.

in many cases one first round pick plus any player that a club would be willing to part with wont get a trade done and the second pick required to get the deal done has become hard to acquire with clubs being more hesitant to release their 1st round pick.

if the future draft pick had been implemented years ago more trades would have been done and less pressure would have been on the afl to go the free agency route. whether or not it would have been enough to stall it indefinitely i doubt it but i dont believe we would have it now.

with free agency now in place i dont really see it as a pressing need.

 

[Mr Magic]

their main argument was that players couldnt go to their prefered teams cause often a trade couldnt be worked out.

they called this a restriction of something or other i forget the terms they used, they may have had some legal grounds and worse case if it came to it they either would have won a court case, or lost the court case (they were posturing that it would go that far) and still cost the game in bad publicity either way so the afl boffins gave in to their demands with the compromise that we now have as free agency.

with trading for players teams were very hesitant to trade players with the risks involved (upsetting playing group) and often did not want to trade their only first round pick away.

in many cases one first round pick plus any player that a club would be willing to part with wont get a trade done and the second pick required to get the deal done has become hard to acquire with clubs being more hesitant to release their 1st round pick.

if the future draft pick had been implemented years ago more trades would have been done and less pressure would have been on the afl to go the free agency route. whether or not it would have been enough to stall it indefinitely i doubt it but i dont believe we would have it now.

with free agency now in place i dont really see it as a pressing need.

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probably be a restraint of trade.

Still a need for future draft picks though IMO because some clubs simply have different objectives over different time frames.

Eg. Hawthorn want to win now and the Bulldogs, well, one knows the premiership is unrealistic for 2013 anyway

 

[The_Answer3]

AFL isn't ready for it yet, needs to be done, but not yet.

Lets just get fully fledged free angency up and going firsat before we confuse the media outlets

 

[Noctorniquet]

AFL isn't ready for it yet, needs to be done, but not yet.

Lets just get fully fledged free angency up and going firsat before we confuse the media outlets

agree too many variables in the drafting process in the AFL, with rookie PS and national draft not too mention father son picks it would be a nightmare to get an understandable system in place without either merging all drafts together and have f/s bidding seperate to the drafts in some capacity, agree free agency needs to be refined further with no bs compo picks, if you cant entice a player to stay at your club after 8 years you dont deserve anything for him