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Good to see the Vics sticking it to this prick.

Ganguly breaks deal, Vics return fire
Michael Horan
28nov03

INDIAN captain Sourav Ganguly reneged on a tactical deal and reduced the drawn three-day match against Victoria at the MCG to a net session, according to state coach David Hookes.

The clash finished on a sour note after Brad Hodge punished the Indian bowlers for more than eight hours to post a superb 264 as the home side amassed 8-518 in its first innings.
With the game dead, Ganguly refused to follow tradition and agree to stumps being drawn 30 minutes early.

But, after making his point, Ganguly called off the game with two overs still to be bowled.

Originally, Ganguly had agreed with Hookes to turn the three-day game - first-class matches are usually four - into a contest with each side batting for 70 overs in both innings.

"I spoke to (Indian coach) John Wright before the game before the toss and put a proposal to him: 'It's a 280-over match, what about 70 overs each side batting first and again batting second'," Hookes said.

"That way, blokes who miss out in the first innings can get another hit -- you guarantee two hits and two bowls. He said I should speak to Ganguly, who said 'Yes, good'.

"But then he came to me (late on the first day) and said it was the first day of the tour, they should just bat.

"Once he went past that 70-over mark -- well past -- I thought 'Bugger it'. He agreed to do something then changed his mind. They treated the first game like a net session."

India batted the full 90 overs of the opening day, making 9-266, then lost 10 minutes the next morning after forgetting to tell the umpires it had declared.

The Victorians, still seething, then resolved to keep the Indians in the field for the rest of the game.

India has only a three-day game against a Queensland second XI before the first Test.
 
Great article in the Herald Sun today. If you get the chance have a read of the double page articles concerning this incident.
 
Originally posted by Lidge
India batted the full 90 overs of the opening day, making 9-266, then lost 10 minutes the next morning after forgetting to tell the umpires it had declared.

:rolleyes:

What a tool.

Is also the only person i've ever seen dispute the toss of a coin after debate about which side was tails.
 

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At least with Ganguly around we have someone to vent our frustration on - because at the end of the day Tendulkar plays like a champ and generally acts like one too. But Ganguly provides an endless stream head scratching pomposity and bigheaded stupidity.

As has been said - epitomises the "tool".

Imagine having Ganguly at your club.... :eek:
 
good on David Hookes for doing what he did. I hope Queensland do the same if that happens again when they play India in the next tour match.
 
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Originally posted by Cupido13
Great article in the Herald Sun today. If you get the chance have a read of the double page articles concerning this incident.

Bloody oath, good to see hookesy giving back the curries some of their own, via the trust ole' whiteboard.

Go you good thing!
 
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Originally posted by Nandoz
Bloody oath, good to see hookesy giving back the curries some of their own, via the trust ole' whiteboard.

Go you good thing!

Think that might have been Sheedy's whiteboard (from the Sheedy Unplugged video) and red texta actually. Even more impressed!
 

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all well and good for hookes to have a go at ganguly for not making an entertaining game...what about the vics in the game vs WA?

I'll agree, he can TALK very big...
 
good to see that the Vics let them have it.

why Gangully wouldn't go through with the original deal is somewhat mind blowing....
 
Ganguly is a complete wakner. I can't wait to get to the Gabba next week and give him a good ol' spray or three from my side of the boundary. In fact, I might go to the Allan Border Field and do it tomorrow as well.
 

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Originally posted by Black Thunder
why Gangully wouldn't go through with the original deal is somewhat mind blowing....

Why? It was just a tour game for starters. Hooksy has come out asking why they didnt want serious match practice. Its their first game - can you not understand why they would want to have some solid batting time?

Some questions for all the Victorians who are so outraged by this:

Does anyone know how much of a 'deal' it actually was? From what Ive read, sounds like like an off the cuff thing - and Hookes has then got completely off his rocker (seems a common theme for the man)

Would anyone who whinged on this thread make a similar noise if, on the next tour to India, Australia decided to get some solid time in the middle in their first warm up match? (even if the captains did make a so called 'deal'?)

Were you equally as outraged when the Vics proceeded to bat the hell out of the match just to spite the Indians? Not to mention some other excruciatingly dull batting efforts from the Vics this year?
 
Originally posted by CatManDo
Were you equally as outraged when the Vics proceeded to bat the hell out of the match just to spite the Indians? Not to mention some other excruciatingly dull batting efforts from the Vics this year?

When Geoff Lawson and the then-Tassie skipper (Rod Tucker?) made an agreement to declare at 0-0 in a Shield match several years ago, it was howled down in some quarters as being tantamount to contriving a result (of the Shield season, if not the game itself).

How is this unofficial "agreement" any different, regardless of if there is a prize on the result?

If you pre-determine the course of a match, you might as well take the fellas down to the park for a hit of 20 overs each, or at the worst play a couple of one-day games.

Three-dayers are the most pointless fixtures in any cricket calendar... can't imagine why one would have been agreed to in the first place.
 
Care to elaborate on these "excruciatingly dull batting efforts from the Vics this year", CatManDo? I see it a bit differently. Outright in Queensland (first time in yonks). The game at the Junction Oval against Queensland prevented from being a contest due to Martin Love's vanity project. Queensland batted on way longer than they needed to, and killed any chance of a result. They would have passed our score somewhere before tea on day 3 (at which time a sporting declaration could have at least given Victoria a chance to prove whether or not they were mean-spirited), and then inexplicably batted on and on until it was nearing lunch on day 4! The ball was never at any stage in Victoria's court there.

And against Western Australia, the game was well and truly headed for a result when the rain hit.

That last one was the most satisfying. Our run rate in the first innings was better than that for either of the WA innings. Both Langer and Wayne Clark had a whinge about Victoria playing for a draw, and vowed not to do us any favours in the second innings. We bowled them out, and had them by the balls when persistent rain denied us. With the time and overs left, the target was gettable, and a result to one of the two sides was pretty much assured. I calculate 63 overs having been bowled that day, which left at least 37 to go, although I think it was more, due to delays on previous days. Run rate of at most 4 runs an over, with 9 wickets in hand.

That said, I'd be keen to know exactly how you, or amazingjosh, interpreted events.
 
Fair points but i doubt the vics would have made the runs in the conditions (the reason WA got bowled out cheaply) at 4 runs an over (considering their current rate was under 3).

I was being quite aloof, just think Hookes has a big mouth. Saying the national selectors shouldnt have named Ponting as the next capatain till after the Test series in case he plays badly...be serious...he'd be captain if he made eight ducks in the next eight innings.


But I spose it gives us something to talk about while waiting for the footy...
 

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