Gary Pert. Too much control.

[Anzacday]

Is this guy an Adam H sock puppet or something?
Top shelf trash posting.

No idea what that means?
Agree the OP certainly likes to beat it, I mean a beat up

 

[SugarCoat]

Was he wrong?

If Pert wants to preach the downfalls of recreational drugs to the AFL than hopefully he can apply for a job at the AFL and preach to other clubs.
I have absolutely no doubt recreational drug use is a major issue at every club.
Successful ones, unsuccessful ones.
If he is unable to control the issue at his own club he isn't up to the job.

 

[MyManLynch]

The Cloke parking incident was an example of the power Pert is drunk with.
At the end of 2011 he couldn't control Swan, Wellingham (he was suspended internally that year) & some others and went on a personal crusade without board member approval at the time to the AFL about recreational drugs.
He also had a major blue with Pickering regarding Swan and a television appearance that had to be cooled by Walshey.

I knew that 'parking gate' would come back to haunt us.
We are doomed...that's 2015 down the drain...damn, just when I was feeling good about our future.

 

[makethat2]

Every player went through exactly the same training and I doubt we had any more soft tissue injuries than any other club.
.
Elliott - hamstring match day injury.
Freeman - hamstring match day injury.
Sinclair - hamstring coming off a disrupted preseason.
Karnezis - hamstring coming of pre-existing OP.
Marsh - hamstring happened in the 3rd quarter of the final H&A VFL game.

Add Reid's quad injury to that, preseason match day injury.

Who did I miss?

The majority of the other injuries were either pre-existing or just bad luck (Gault - broken collarbone; Broomhead - broken wrist; Fasolo - pre-existing foot injury; Brown - shoulder; Seedsman - pre-existing hip injury; Scharenberg & Macaffer - ACLs; Oxley - ankle; Maxwell - calf/ankle; Ball - back; White - broken finger; Adams - finger; Hudson - shoulder; Lynch - broken leg) so I don't see how this in any way equates to an increased running program being a bad thing.

If you can show me how the program actually contributed to those injuries I'm happy to admit I'm wrong.

It's the reoccurring injury that worried me. Ben Reid was to miss 1 pre season match when he first did then went onto miss round 1 but we were told definitely back Rd 2 (split round so 2 weeks later) then didn't return till Rd 15ish?

The handling of freeman was shocking too.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Every player went through exactly the same training and I doubt we had any more soft tissue injuries than any other club.
.
Elliott - hamstring match day injury.
Freeman - hamstring match day injury.
Sinclair - hamstring coming off a disrupted preseason.
Karnezis - hamstring coming of pre-existing OP.
Marsh - hamstring happened in the 3rd quarter of the final H&A VFL game.

Add Reid's quad injury to that, preseason match day injury.

Who did I miss?

The majority of the other injuries were either pre-existing or just bad luck (Gault - broken collarbone; Broomhead - broken wrist; Fasolo - pre-existing foot injury; Brown - shoulder; Seedsman - pre-existing hip injury; Scharenberg & Macaffer - ACLs; Oxley - ankle; Maxwell - calf/ankle; Ball - back; White - broken finger; Adams - finger; Hudson - shoulder; Lynch - broken leg) so I don't see how this in any way equates to an increased running program being a bad thing.

If you can show me how the program actually contributed to those injuries I'm happy to admit I'm wrong.

Been widely discussed that the running capacity of the squad needed to be improved if the Pies want to return to being competitive with the ladder leaders. As I understand it, there was an accepted risk of injuries in 2014, players should be coming from a much higher base this preseason so that injury risk is considerably deminished. It is what it is, the club either matches the leading teams or falls by the way.

But it was you that said the program contributed to the injuries - i've highlighted it above for you.....Did I read it wrong or something. I was saying I'd be unhappy if the club did in fact put in place a program where they knew the likelihood of injuries would increase.

Maybe it's just an interpretation of your original post because all I said was that I was nervous about the running program. lol

 

[NT.Thunder]

It's the reoccurring injury that worried me. Ben Reid was to miss 1 pre season match when he first did then went onto miss round 1 but we were told definitely back Rd 2 (split round so 2 weeks later) then didn't return till Rd 15ish?

The handling of freeman was shocking too.

That happens a fair bit in general with our club and others doesnt it. I remeber Beams and Pendles both missing several more weeks than were originally expected but was that just keeping our cards close to our chest or poor rehabilitation and player management.

 

[speedytiger]

I like it. At least we have some accountability now, or somewhere to direct our anger. I didn't know who to blame last year!

 

[makethat2]

That happens a fair bit in general with our club and others doesnt it. I remeber Beams and Pendles both missing several more weeks than were originally expected but was that just keeping our cards close to our chest or poor rehabilitation and player management.

Could be a bit of both but there was no point hiding information on the availability of a first year 0 game player.

 

[jackcass]

But it was you that said the program contributed to the injuries - i've highlighted it above for you.....Did I read it wrong or something. I was saying I'd be unhappy if the club did in fact put in place a program where they knew the likelihood of injuries would increase.

Maybe it's just an interpretation of your original post because all I said was that I was nervous about the running program. lol

No, I said there was an accepted risk of injuries by the club, not that the program actually contributed to any or in fact led to a significant increase in soft tissue injuries. It may well have contributed in some small part to all the soft tissue injuries, or it may not have been a factor. Reid's was an impact injury.

Perhaps you'd be better off being nervous about our rehab programs which appears to be where the major issues are.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

My bosses have designated car parks because they often have to leave to attend meetings, conferences etc. The rest of us stay where we are all day and rarely have to leave the premises. We know we are not supposed to park there, so we don't. Is the boss power hungry if he has a crack at someone for using his spot? No. Get over it.

 

[Good_Old]

Give the guy some credit, we keep biting no matter how ridiculous the bait is.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

He has insider knowledge at Carltank too. Has said that two staff at the blues will resign because of Butters. He's good, real good.

 

[SugarCoat]

My bosses have designated car parks because they often have to leave to attend meetings, conferences etc. The rest of us stay where we are all day and rarely have to leave the premises. We know we are not supposed to park there, so we don't. Is the boss power hungry if he has a crack at someone for using his spot? No. Get over it.

If it's an once off it seems pretty trivial.
Offering Cloke a fine just seems petty and the AFLPA quickly told Pert to shove it.

 

[NT.Thunder]

No, I said there was an accepted risk of injuries by the club, not that the program actually contributed to any or in fact led to a significant increase in soft tissue injuries. It may well have contributed in some small part to all the soft tissue injuries, or it may not have been a factor. Reid's was an impact injury.

Perhaps you'd be better off being nervous about our rehab programs which appears to be where the major issues are.

How do you know about this accepted risk of injuries and to what context was this made?

All clubs would have an accepted risk of injuries; however I would be worried if ours last year was within that. I actually thought we had a higher number of soft tissue injuries than most clubs but that would be because I take more notice of Collingwood. It would be interesting to see a statistic on this actually if anyone has.

Now I see where you are coming from, it might've and it might not have, OK all bases covered, moving along now. lol

 

[Dynamics]

OP at least deserves some sort of prize for making me genuinely laugh out loud.

Get your hand of it, Darryl.

 

[motr]

Perhaps he should have delegated the job to Buckley. FFS, some one has to step into the breach while we go through the process of filling this position.

It's not as if he is subsuming the role into his own sphere of control.

 

[soreplums]

I'm nervous about this running program, really nervous.

I had a chat with a mate of mine who knows Davoren from his time at the Bulldogs. He said that it took him a little while to warm to him, but in the end he was a pretty good bloke, who was all about triathlon training, but his communication needed some work. He puts collingwood's soft tissue injuries down to a result of increased running loads as it was well recognised that buttifant didn't "run" our players long or hard enough.

The running program was always going to be part of a long term training program to achieve fitness goals

 

[SugarCoat]

It was always going to take time with Davoren.
But the epidemic soft tissue injury rate can't be in the planning.

 

[motr]

I had a chat with a mate of mine who knows Davoren from his time at the Bulldogs. He said that it took him a little while to warm to him, but in the end he was a pretty good bloke, who was all about triathlon training, but his communication needed some work. He puts collingwood's soft tissue injuries down to a result of increased running loads as it was well recognised that buttifant didn't "run" our players long or hard enough.

The running program was always going to be part of a long term training program to achieve fitness goals

It's far to early to judge Daveron at this point. It seem that he either articulated a vision or was employed to move us in a certain direction. Either way, we don't have enough data to make a judgement either way. Some times you've got to pull the trigger, and the worst thing you can do is be reactive before the process is far enough through to make an informed and level headed judgement.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Been widely discussed that the running capacity of the squad needed to be improved if the Pies want to return to being competitive with the ladder leaders. As I understand it, there was an accepted risk of injuries in 2014, players should be coming from a much higher base this preseason so that injury risk is considerably deminished. It is what it is, the club either matches the leading teams or falls by the way.

if thats true how did Port go from legless to top 6 in 6 months? these injuries never worried them.

 

[soreplums]

It's far to early to judge Daveron at this point. It seem that he either articulated a vision or was employed to move us in a certain direction. Either way, we don't have enough data to make a judgement either way. Some times you've got to pull the trigger, and the worst thing you can do is be reactive before the process is far enough through to make an informed and level headed judgement.

Not having a go at him. I expect people to be given the full terms of their contract to be able to implement their program and achieve their vision provided that targets are met along the way. It seems clear that davoren's focus is more aerobic based and buttifants is more anaerobic based- repeated efforts training. It seems that clubs like Port who are able to run on in the last quarter have gone back to aerobic based training.

 

[76woodenspooners]

The Cloke parking incident was an example of the power Pert is drunk with.
At the end of 2011 he couldn't control Swan, Wellingham (he was suspended internally that year) & some others and went on a personal crusade without board member approval at the time to the AFL about recreational drugs.

Ed has said that Pert did have board member approval

 

[Good_Old]

if thats true how did Port go from legless to top 6 in 6 months? these injuries never worried them.

Maybe they weren't as conditioned to the stop, start high rotation burst style we were and thus the transition was an easier one?
Not being facetious, just hazarding a guess.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

If it's an once off it seems pretty trivial.
Offering Cloke a fine just seems petty and the AFLPA quickly told Pert to shove it.

Wasn't a once off. If Pert has to attend meetings etc in his role, being able to get in and out at various times of the day without having to piss around looking for a car park is anything but trivial. He has been designated a spot, cheeky buggers like Cloke need to stay out of it.

 

[Art Corvelay]

The Cloke parking incident was an example of the power Pert is drunk with.

I wouldn't entertain parking in the CEO's parking space consistently at my work either and not expect repercussions.

At the end of 2011 he couldn't control Swan, Wellingham (he was suspended internally that year) & some others and went on a personal crusade without board member approval at the time to the AFL about recreational drugs.

What's wrong with pushing a serious issue? Trying to pretend recreational drugs don't exist doesn't solve anything. I'd say he was bang on!

Why it is accepted that we needed to increase our running loads?
What happend in the previous regime?
The club invested heavily into Buttifant and even built an altitude room to support his ideals.

This isn't Pert pushing the new fitness regime, it's Buckley and Devoran. Clearly the club feels we aren't fit enough, which makes sense since we focused so heavily on "burst" fitness which was completely killed off by interchange limits and the sub rule.