Gibbs.

[Bentleigh]

What are your feelings on not being allowed Gibbs? I am not trying to troll but am intersted by how you feel abount not being able to get the 'superdrafts' best player, and what is rightfully yours for more or less for free.

As it stands you have a fantastic list/coach and look like giving the flag a very serious run bla bla - its all going very well but landing young Byrce and blooding him in the SAnFL must have just been a cherry on top for when the like of Roo and Edwards hang up the boots?

I know it's something that would eat away at me if the same sitaution was to happen at Richmond.

Thoughts?

 

[GoSarge]

What are your feelings on not being allowed Gibbs? I am not trying to troll but am intersted by how you feel abount not being able to get the 'superdrafts' best player, and what is rightfully yours for more or less for free.

As it stands you have a fantastic list/coach and look like giving the flag a very serious run bla bla - its all going very well but landing young Byrce and blooding him in the SAnFL must have just been a cherry on top for when the like of Roo and Edwards hang up the boots?

I know it's something that would eat away at me if the same sitaution was to happen at Richmond.

Thoughts?

Dont know if he was ever 'rightfully ours', but if the father son rule was amended with competition equality in mind, he may very well have fell under the f/s criteria so we could nab him. The way it was changed ensures we are no better off and have been screwed over again by the rule.

To make things straight, most people at the AFC are more angry at the fact the father son rule is STILL not fair as it stands, more so than the fact we weren't able to pick Gibbs up under the rule. This fact seems lost on most people east of the border. Gibbs would definitely have been a bonus though !

In answer to your post, yep we're annoyed but those are the breaks. Hopefully we dont have to wait 10 years or so until we finally are able to benefit from the rule unlike the Collingwood's and Geelong's of the world who seem to benefit every 2nd year. By then the criteria probably would have changed again.

 

[-VC-]

Last night my Dad came home and said to me, "They were just discussing the Bryce Gibbs issue on SEN. You guys got screwed!"
He was largely referring to the fact that our first 100 game player was in 1995 so we have a four or five year period with no elligible fathers, or as he put it "guys who's SANFL careers count for nothing" (in regards to father/son rule obviously, not their careers in general).

 

[GoSarge]

Last night my Dad came home and said to me, "They were just discussing the Bryce Gibbs issue on SEN. You guys got screwed!"
He was largely referring to the fact that our first 100 game player was in 1995 so we have a four or five year period with no elligible fathers, or as he put it "guys who's SANFL careers count for nothing" (in regards to father/son rule obviously, not their careers in general).

Try explaining that to people in Victoria though, I still dont think most of them understand.

 

[MaccasNeighbour]

Best of luck to Bryce wherever he ends up. I knew he was never going to be ours, how often has the AFL made allowances or changed rules that actually benefit us?

My feeling is they should just scrap the F/S rule entirely or re-instate it in 10 years when it will be more equally applicable throughout the league.

 

[tribey]

Try explaining that to people in Victoria though, I still dont think most of them understand.

On WLF a few weeks ago Matthew "The man... machine!" Campbell was in the chair for Grybas.

An Adelaide fan called in with a long-winded question about the unfairness and imbalance of the F/S rule.

After 30 or 40 seconds (did seem like a decade) Campbell cut him off and said,

"OK, I'll stop you there. I know where you're going with this - Bryce Gibbs. I'll tell you why the Father/Son system is the way it is, merely because the Victorian clubs have been around a lot longer. The interstate clubs like the Crows and West Coast haven't. It's as simple as that."

F**king clueless - and that's from an Adelaide boy who played with the Roosters, Bears and SA Origin sides.

 

[GoSarge]

On WLF a few weeks ago Matthew "The man... machine!" Campbell was in the chair for Grybas.

An Adelaide fan called in with a long-winded question about the unfairness and imbalance of the F/S rule.

After 30 or 40 seconds (did seem like a decade) Campbell cut him off and said,

"OK, I'll stop you there. I know where you're going with this - Bryce Gibbs. I'll tell you why the Father/Son system is the way it is, merely because the Victorian clubs have been around a lot longer. The interstate clubs like the Crows and West Coast haven't. It's as simple as that."

F**king clueless - and that's from an Adelaide boy who played with the Roosters, Bears and SA Origin sides.

Ignorance at its best.

 

[BlueFeaver]

Try explaining that to people in Victoria though, I still dont think most of them understand.

I understand where you guys are comming from, if Carlton was in your position I would be seriously annoyed. Gibbs will surely be a star and if he was to develope under Neil Craig the skies the limit. My point being not all Victorian supporters have a narrow view on this issue, the afl needs to make the f/s equitable for the whole competition. The likes of Collingwood and Geelong are reaping the rewards of a flawed system. Gibbs will be taken away from his family and friends, on a selfish note I hope he comes to Carlton as I think Sticks will take him under his wing.

By the way, good luck this year. Neil Craig is a absolute gun of a coach, he is probably the Crows best recruite in 5 years.

 

[Bentleigh]

I understand where you guys are comming from, if Carlton was in your position I would be seriously annoyed. Gibbs will surely be a star and if he was to develope under Neil Craig the skies the limit. My point being not all Victorian supporters have a narrow view on this issue, the afl needs to make the f/s equitable for the whole competition. The likes of Collingwood and Geelong are reaping the rewards of a flawed system. Gibbs will be taken away from his family and friends, on a selfish note I hope he comes to Carlton as I think Sticks will take him under his wing.

By the way, good luck this year. Neil Craig is a absolute gun of a coach, he is probably the Crows best recruite in 5 years.

NVB = best pick up in history.

 

[GoSarge]

I understand where you guys are comming from, if Carlton was in your position I would be seriously annoyed. Gibbs will surely be a star and if he was to develope under Neil Craig the skies the limit. My point being not all Victorian supporters have a narrow view on this issue, the afl needs to make the f/s equitable for the whole competition. The likes of Collingwood and Geelong are reaping the rewards of a flawed system. Gibbs will be taken away from his family and friends, on a selfish note I hope he comes to Carlton as I think Sticks will take him under his wing.

By the way, good luck this year. Neil Craig is a absolute gun of a coach, he is probably the Crows best recruite in 5 years.

Yeah, probably a bad generalisation. All we wanted was a fair father son rule, and if we nabbed Gibbs it was a bonus (and a big one at that), but geez, get the father son rule right and make it remotely fair for non victorian clubs.

 

[tribey]

My point being not all Victorian supporters have a narrow view on this issue, the afl needs to make the f/s equitable for the whole competition.

Fair play to you.

The crux of the matter for me is that if Brisbane got Jonathan Brown because his dad played 50-odd games for Fitzroy, we should be able to get Bryce Gibbs because his dad played 250 games for Glenelg regardless of timespans.

 

[-VC-]

Try explaining that to people in Victoria though, I still dont think most of them understand.

Well I'm from Victoria. Naturally, I'll be very keen on this story and only because I followed it closely did I know what was going on. The average Victorian ie. my Dad wouldn't realse how badly we've been bent over on this one. Apparently it was fully explained last night on SEN so now he knows.
The story didn't really get that sort of coverage in Victoria. It was just reported that Gibbs won't be a Crow, not too many articles or editorials were saying that rightfully Gibbs should be a Crow.

 

[GoSarge]

Fair play to you.

The crux of the matter for me is that if Brisbane got Jonathan Brown because his dad played 50-odd games for Fitzroy, we should be able to get Bryce Gibbs because his dad played 250 games for Glenelg regardless of timespans.

That whole idea was lost when Russel Ebert, without much doubt the best ever Port player, was found not be an eligible father of the PAFC. As much as I dont like the Power, it signalled pretty clearly, the AFL's feelings of the FS rule towards the competitions newcomers (ie Freo,WC, Port and the AFC).

Ie they are not concerned we are missing out on the FS benefits.

 

[GoSarge]

Well I'm from Victoria. Naturally, I'll be very keen on this story and only because I followed it closely did I know what was going on. The average Victorian ie. my Dad wouldn't realse how badly we've been bent over on this one. Apparently it was fully explained last night on SEN so now he knows.
The story didn't really get that sort of coverage in Victoria. It was just reported that Gibbs won't be a Crow, not too many articles or editorials were saying that rightfully Gibbs should be a Crow.

Exactly, it was highlighted as "Crows try bend rules to unfairly claim Gibbs" or something similar.

 

[tribey]

That whole idea was lost when Russel Ebert, without much doubt the best ever Port player, was found not be an eligible father of the PAFC. As much as I dont like the Power, it signalled pretty clearly, the AFL's feelings of the FS rule towards the competitions newcomers (ie Freo,WC, Port and the AFC).

Ie they are not concerned we are missing out on the FS benefits.

But thankfully Vlad and Gheydrian saw the error of their ways and now any future children Russell, Cornesy and Barrie have will rightfully take their bow in teal and tricolours respectively.....

In the meantime Brett's registration became legal and Chad and Kane became shoulabeen Crows.

Wonderful.

 

[GoSarge]

But thankfully Vlad and Gheydrian saw the error of their ways and now any future children Russell, Cornesy and Barrie have will rightfully take their bow in teal and tricolours respectively.....

In the meantime Brett's registration became legal and Chad and Kane became shoulabeen Crows.

Wonderful.

We should be thanking them for 'opening up' so many eligible fathers to the AFC. Top blokes.

Lets hope Jesse Aish turns out a gun.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

I just hope the Non-Vic clubs ( especially the two SA and WA clubs )are lobbying the AFL to get the FS rule and pre-season draft scrapped. However, I have a feeling the above are little sweeteners the AFL are willing to afford VIC clubs to counter the fact they don’t get the benefits/riches that come with being the only team/or one of two teams in their state. That’s the only excuse I can come up with for what are both blatant pro-Vic aspects of the draft system.

 

[BlueFeaver]

Fair play to you.

The crux of the matter for me is that if Brisbane got Jonathan Brown because his dad played 50-odd games for Fitzroy, we should be able to get Bryce Gibbs because his dad played 250 games for Glenelg regardless of timespans.

I agree, but what needs to happen is the F/S player has to be given a draft rating as per what round he would be normally selected. This decision should be made by someone such as Kevin Sheehan.

For example.
Bryce Gibbs to Adelaide Crows in 2006 for 1st round selection.
Sure enough you would sacrifice your 1st round pick but at a likely pick 16 it would be a steal.
This would obviously apply to Hawkins to Geelong aswell. Geelong supporters are saying he would be No1 draft pick over all, they would get him for the No 11 pick in the draft. (over rated he is a man playing amongst boys)

In addition to this, fathers who have played 200 games or more with aligned clubs are automatically qualified for f/s selection to the respective afl side. This would over time be changed and brought in line with the rest of the afl. Each club should only be allowed one f/s selection in a single year.

The f/s rule must be retained, but it must be fair for all clubs. I am actually a little envious of clubs like the Crows and West Coast. Your teams have players who play for the jumper and the pride of the club, I see to many afl players playing for $$$. I can tell you in Melbourne, that almost tribal feeling has gone! It's what made footy so great.

 

[NikkiNoo]

But thankfully Vlad and Gheydrian saw the error of their ways and now any future children Russell, Cornesy and Barrie have will rightfully take their bow in teal and tricolours respectively.....

In the meantime Brett's registration became legal and Chad and Kane became shoulabeen Crows.

Wonderful.

You forgot Luke Darcy as well as a shouldabeen!

 

[PrideOf]

That whole idea was lost when Russel Ebert, without much doubt the best ever Port player, was found not be an eligible father of the PAFC. As much as I dont like the Power, it signalled pretty clearly, the AFL's feelings of the FS rule towards the competitions newcomers (ie Freo,WC, Port and the AFC).

Ie they are not concerned we are missing out on the FS benefits.

Two of the best South Australians ever to pull on a boot are Russell Ebert and Barrie Robran, not necessarily in that order.

They both had sons who were good enough to be eligible to be father-son picks for Adelaide and Port, respectively.

But none were eligible.

If you're looking for the slam-dunk argument about the father-son rule being shyte, this is it.

 

[PrideOf]

I am actually a little envious of clubs like the Crows and West Coast. Your teams have players who play for the jumper and the pride of the club, I see to many afl players playing for $$$. I can tell you in Melbourne, that almost tribal feeling has gone! It's what made footy so great.

That's amazing. All we hear about over here is the tradition of Victorian clubs and how 'franchises' that we support don't have that.

 

[BlueFeaver]

That's amazing. All we hear about over here is the tradition of Victorian clubs and how 'franchises' that we support don't have that.

There is great tradition throughout the Victorian clubs and rivalry, but the problem is there is no reward for a player to go and play for the side he supports. For some players it doesn't matter, they are that competitive they will bleed for a hotgog if need be. Others though can be somewhat mercenary and see football as a lucrative way to start their adult life, these guys don't put their heart and soul into it. This is why the f/s rule is important to all clubs.
You guys have that almost state against state ideal, not to mention that other club I'd rather not mention. All this contributes to pride, but then again this could just be the ramblings of a lost Carlton supporter!

 

[GoSarge]

I agree, but what needs to happen is the F/S player has to be given a draft rating as per what round he would be normally selected. This decision should be made by someone such as Kevin Sheehan.

For example.
Bryce Gibbs to Adelaide Crows in 2006 for 1st round selection.
Sure enough you would sacrifice your 1st round pick but at a likely pick 16 it would be a steal.
This would obviously apply to Hawkins to Geelong aswell. Geelong supporters are saying he would be No1 draft pick over all, they would get him for the No 11 pick in the draft. (over rated he is a man playing amongst boys)

Depends on what the FS rule is intended to do.

If you want to give the best possible chance for the boy to go to the club his dad played for then the current rules are ok (for vic clubs anyway). If you wanted the club to pay a price for the privilege then its a different matter, as clubs will definitely think twice about paying a premium to keep the sentiment alive. Whats more important ?

Anyway, the thread is about Gibbs, and yes we're disappointed we didn't get to pick him up.

 

[birdmanptr]

What are your feelings on not being allowed Gibbs? I am not trying to troll but am intersted by how you feel abount not being able to get the 'superdrafts' best player, and what is rightfully yours for more or less for free.

As it stands you have a fantastic list/coach and look like giving the flag a very serious run bla bla - its all going very well but landing young Byrce and blooding him in the SAnFL must have just been a cherry on top for when the like of Roo and Edwards hang up the boots?

I know it's something that would eat away at me if the same sitaution was to happen at Richmond.

Thoughts?

Would love to have him but the AFL has to even [get the vic clubs back into top 8 and even 4] somehow i feel sorry for him as he will end up at a dead end club who quite reallisticy could not see success while he is there.

 

[Jars458]

We have to move on.

Our club is professional and it is fraught with danger to pin too much of your future success on one player

I am more in favour of building a squad which has great depth and a bunch of players who will play for the jumpber. Neil Craig is building this. To some extent the more star players you have the harder this is to do.

If we can get guys like Richad Douglas, Chris Knights and Johncock at the numbers in the draft we did, having star players won't be a problem in any case.

Father son rule should be scrapped in my view. Very unfair to give a slect few the choice to go to a team or not when the majority get no choice.