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Adviser backs Gold Coast title claim

Patricia Karvelas September 22, 2006

ONE of the Howard Government's key indigenous advisers is leading a group of Aborigines who have lodged a native title claim over the Gold Coast and its famous beach strip.


National Indigenous Council member Wesley Aird and 1000 other descendants of the Yugambeh people have filed a claim covering 1330sqkm. Mr Aird expressed dismay yesterday at the federal Government's reaction to a judge's decision this week to grant the Noongar people native title over the Perth metropolitan area.
John Howard said this week that he was concerned about the implications of the decision and Attorney-General Philip Ruddock said the commonwealth would back an appeal by Western Australia's Labor Government.
"Local, state and federal Governments don't recognise Aboriginal communities; it's like they won't even consider any Aboriginal people that aren't living around a camp fire," Mr Aird told The Australian yesterday.
Mr Ruddock raised fears yesterday that the Perth decision could exclude the public from access to areas such as national parks and urban open spaces.
"In a major capital city, where you do have very extensive areas of parklands, water foreshores, beaches, matters of that sort, you could well find that if a native title were found to be a bona fide claim and lawful that means that native title owners would be able to exclude other people from access to those areas," he said.

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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20455688-601,00.html

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are you for or against these native title claims, and what benefits or implications do you think they will have for the future??

personally i am against it, ever since it was decided im not allowed to climb ayers rock. (i dont like the name uluru, it's ayers rock) courtesy of native title

but what do you guys think?
 
I think the fact you want to call it Ayers Rock because you don't like Uluru illustrates that there should be no surprises you don't like Native Title.

It is Australian Law, as determined by the constitution - I'm afraid you just have to live with it - unless you don;t like living under Australian law and values?

Can you walk on top of the altar of a cathedral? So why climb Uluru?
 
funkyfreo said:
Can you walk on top of the altar of a cathedral? So why climb Uluru?

i already have climbed ayers rock years ago. and it seems i can do it again
i have been misinformed, i think you can still climb the big bugger. :thumbsu:

was doing some research to back up my spiel how it's every aussies birth right to climb when i proved myself wrong.
so i withdraw my complaint




http://www.crystalinks.com/ayersrock.html
Climbing Uluru - The local indigenous community request that visitors respect the sacred status of Uluru by not climbing the rock, with signs posted to this effect. In 1983 the former Prime Minister of Australia, Bob Hawke, promised to respect the request from the community that climbing Uluru be prohibited, but broke his promise when title was handed to the traditional owners in 1985 because access for tourists to climb Uluru was made a condition before they could receive the title. The climb crosses an important dreaming track, which has been a cause of sadness and distress among traditional owners. Neverthless, they are unable to prohibit climbing, and climbing Uluru is a popular attraction for a large fraction of the many tourists who visit it each year. A rope handhold makes the climb easier, but it is still quite a long and steep climb and many intended climbers give up partway up. There are several deaths a year as a direct result of climbing the rock, mainly from heart failure.

from another site http://www.northernterritory.com/northernterritory/attractions/Uluru.htm

Anangu prefer that visitors respect the cultural significance of Uluru and their duty of care for your safety by not climbing Uluru. If you insist on climbing Uluru be aware that the climb is a very strenuous activity requiring considerable fitness. For your safety the Uluru climb is also closed when there is strong winds, when it is raining or the climb is slippery and when lightening, storms or other potentially dangerous conditions are imminent.
 

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I honestly don't know what to think on all this.

I saw that there was an article in the West Australian a couple of days where it was said (by Jim MacGinty (sp?) ???) that due to the claims over here, we may no longer be allowed to go to some of the Perth beaches.

I don't think it would ever get to that and it probably was someone just stirring the pot, but it was a bit of a weird one!
 
Blues4Life said:
I honestly don't know what to think on all this.

I saw that there was an article in the West Australian a couple of days where it was said (by Jim MacGinty (sp?) ???) that due to the claims over here, we may no longer be allowed to go to some of the Perth beaches.

I don't think it would ever get to that and it probably was someone just stirring the pot, but it was a bit of a weird one!
Native title does not constitute ownership. No beaches will be closed.
 
MightyFighting said:
Native title does not constitute ownership. No beaches will be closed.


Thankyou... Listen to ^^^^....

I am still very divided over the whole issue tho. I mean in many countries all over the world people who had land centuries ago would ahve lost land to governments and all that. What makes this any different?

Im not saying its right. The way the aboriginal tribes were treated was disgraceful, but thats only by today's standards.
 
It is pretty stupid, I'm against it, what do they get out of 'owning' the land?

Money... its always about the money.....the lawyers that are helping fuel these cases arnt doing it becuase they want to see the native people sitting on there own beach.....

You only have to look to the remote areas claims to see its all about money....when i lived in the NT and far north WA....the native title claims seem to follow the mine applications like a rash.....
 
Just out of interest, besides Australia & USA which other countries have native title or similar allowances for the indigenous people?
 

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