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I take on board the 'we need a backup Ruckmen' argument but consider that Simmo, Patto, Graham and, in a pinch, Polak can cover our immediate needs. That said we should take Bellchambers in the PSD, Gourdis and Pfeiffer/Gaertner(if available) in the rookie draft. IMHO.
 
Couldn't agree with your post more. 4 genuine ruck options in Simmo, Patto, Graham and Putt now, with the opportunity to grab Bellchambers as a project player if we think Putt and Patto are KPP, not ruckmen. Richards should be well and truly out of the equation.
 
I agree. Putt + Bellchambers>>>> Richards

However, its a gentle trap drafting two ruckman in the same draft because they will effectivly be playing for the same position. Ie, look at the Lions with Luengberger, Clarke and Wood

It means that we will have Pattison (21), Graham (20), Putt (18), Bellchambers (18)

Thats 4 ruckman who fighting for the one position behind Simmons, or two ruckman in about 2/3 years once Simmo has gone
 
Miller on SEN said that there was a few guy's who were not picked that we rated and that they would have to be looked at vs a guy like Richards. He then went onto say that we would pick up two very good footballers with our PSD and 1st rookie Picks which makes me think we will go for kids. Guy for mine was just a fall back for if we were not able to get a ruckman.

Personally i think we will go Bellchambers and Gourdis with both the rookie and PSD picks.
 

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I agree with that. If we think Patto and Putt are ruck options, then we don't need Bellchambers now, but we certainly don't need Richards either. If Patto and Putt are over-sized KPP options, then maybe Bellchambers isn't a bad idea.
 
RichosGuns said:
I agree. Putt + Bellchambers>>>> Richards

However, its a gentle trap drafting two ruckman in the same draft because they will effectivly be playing for the same position. Ie, look at the Lions with Luengberger, Clarke and Wood

It means that we will have Pattison (21), Graham (20), Putt (18), Bellchambers (18)

Thats 4 ruckman who fighting for the one position behind Simmons, or two ruckman in about 2/3 years once Simmo has gone
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The upside is that the Ruckmen who don't fill that position will usually improve their 'trade-bait' value purely on the basis of having been 'schooled' for 2 years (Cam Wood) and the competition for limited places should in theory improve the overall quality
 
brown_2000au said:
Miller on SEN said that there was a few guy's who were not picked that we rated and that they would have to be looked at vs a guy like Richards. He then went onto say that we would pick up two very good footballers with our PSD and 1st rookie Picks which makes me think we will go for kids. Guy for mine was just a fall back for if we were not able to get a ruckman.

Personally i think we will go Bellchambers and Gourdis with both the rookie and PSD picks.
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Bellchambers ive heard has a future

but i thought Graham has shown fantastic signs with his brief stint in the AFL and his games in the VFL

We should go for Gourdis, but i also recall Miller/Wallat also regarding Kangars very highly

Is the Rookie before the PSD
 
Richmond 2014 said:
Bellchambers ive heard has a future

but i thought Graham has shown fantastic signs with his brief stint in the AFL and his games in the VFL

We should go for Gourdis, but i also recall Miller/Wallat also regarding Kangars very highly

Is the Rookie before the PSD
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Rookie is straight after PSD. Same day.
 
So we're likely to only get one of the highly rated youngsters left over, if the other teams have picks after us in the PSD. That right? seems everyones thinking we'll grab Gourdis AND Bellchambers, but isn't the likely result someone will grab one of the two after we make a choice on one of them?
 
brown_2000au said:
Miller on SEN said that there was a few guy's who were not picked that we rated and that they would have to be looked at vs a guy like Richards. He then went onto say that we would pick up two very good footballers with our PSD and 1st rookie Picks which makes me think we will go for kids. Guy for mine was just a fall back for if we were not able to get a ruckman.

Personally i think we will go Bellchambers and Gourdis with both the rookie and PSD picks.
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Matt Burgan stated in his Phantom Draft that Richmond were very keen on Dave Gourdis, would be wrapt to get him in the PSD or Rookie Draft
 
Richards will still be on the radar. Putt won't play seniors next season. Graham will barely figure.

I think the youth-push could be disapointed.

Don't be suprised if we take Richards in the PSD, and Pfeiffer, Howat and Peterson in the rookie with only one more kid coming in.
 
don't know he is only 24 and has been in the shadow of that overrated hack at collingwood look at jolly he was pretty much the same at melbourne could break into the side because of jeff white (who is awesome tho) went to sydney came of age.

we do have simmo,patto,graham an putt (vfl player only next probaly)simmo likes going forward patto likes going forward we richards could slot into our side as a number 2 ruckman freeing up others to go forward or back if needed.

if we sign him i wouldn't be to shocked if we don't it wouldn't be a huge loss either way i'm happy with what miller has done so far in the draft this year picking up the best overall player in the draft with pick 2 one of the best tall def an a quick 200cm+ players happy happy happy. good work miller. if we don't pick up richards who else is there really.i don't see any players that would slot into our 22 next year in the preseason draft.
 

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Look what Wallace\Miller has done for the team, starting to get his act together

Out: Krakour, Howat, P Bowden, Hartigan, Clingan, Hall, Kinglsey, Knobel, Gaspar, Peterson (i think)

In: Morton, McMahon, Cotchin, Rance, Putt,
Possibles: Bellchambers, Gourdis, Neville, Pfieffer

I can only think of 5 duds in our team now, hes done quite well this off season

Hyde, Moore, Meyer, Tivendale, JOD

i have faith in Shultz and Hughes

Future:

Cotchin, Rance, Putt, Deledio, Tambling, Pattison, Edwards, Connors, Reidowlt, Thursfield, McGuane, Casserley ( i here good things), Collins,
 
Richmond 2014 said:
Look what Wallace\Miller has done for the team, starting to get his act together

Out: Krakour, Howat, P Bowden, Hartigan, Clingan, Hall, Kinglsey, Knobel, Gaspar, Peterson (i think)
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It was a terrific clean out this year. All deserved to go.

Guy Richards is a proven dud and I don't want him there.

Go for McGinnty PSD and rookie another ruck in Bellchambers.

The more rucks the better. They have value even as tradebait. Look at Cam Wood.
Also the success rate is low. In a year of strong rucks take them whilst they are there.
 
I think you're all missing the point.

The ONLY reason to get Richards was as a mature, big bodied, backup ruckman, because the kids aren't upto it yet, and Simmo's health and fitness has to have a question mark over it.

Getting another kid doesn't change that much. ( OK, maybe we can rotate between the kids so they don't have to take it all like Patto did ). I always maintained we wanted a big body AND a kid ( or even 2 ).

Promise me Simmo wont miss more than 2-3 games for the season and I'll happily say we don't need Richards.
 
brown_2000au said:
Miller on SEN said that there was a few guy's who were not picked that we rated and that they would have to be looked at vs a guy like Richards. He then went onto say that we would pick up two very good footballers with our PSD and 1st rookie Picks which makes me think we will go for kids. Guy for mine was just a fall back for if we were not able to get a ruckman.

Personally i think we will go Bellchambers and Gourdis with both the rookie and PSD picks.
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A week ago, I heard that Guy Richards was not the only ruckman being considered by Richmond. David Fanning's name was also mentioned. This year he has been training with Crackers Keenan at Port Melbourne and featured among the best in many games later in the 2007 season.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21917958%5E19895,00.html
 
marco polo said:
Matt Burgan stated in his Phantom Draft that Richmond were very keen on Dave Gourdis, would be wrapt to get him in the PSD or Rookie Draft
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We are not interested in Gourdis.
Peterson has used up all his chances.Will not be in Tiger colors
We should go:
Psd:
Pfeiffer

Rookies:
Collard
Lammie
Wilkes
Coburg player
 

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I agree with tigerofold.

Take Pfieffer/Collard in PSD and rookie the other. With Collard & Gourdis flying over to train for a spot with us, it must be over for Guy.
 
In my opinion Guy was only ever training with us for a bit of insurance in case we failed to pick up a ruckman in the draft. We couldn't afford to go into next year with only 3 listed rucks. I can see us picking up another ruck on a rookie list with our first pick with Bellchambers, Renton, Hill and Sullivan all good options. We could also afford to pick up Silvester late in the rookie draft and could use Rance and Silvester to play a few games each down back allowing Polak to ruck in the event that he is ever needed.
 

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