Got utterly drilled on the river tonight, gutted.

[SouthSwans]

I'll set the scenario. I'm at Crown earlier tonight on computer tables, had about $230 pre-this hand. Drew AK suited in my pocket and raised $25 pre-flop. Everyone folded bar this one guy who had about $300, he put me all in and I called. The guy has pocket eights so he's in front obviously, but I'm still confident with the hand I've got. Then the flop comes out A-6-K. I'm thinking this is in the bag, but in the back of my mind I'm thinking these bloody PokerPro tables always tend to screw you over. Turn card is a deuce so I'm sitting at 95 percent winning odds. What do you know, an eight comes out on the river and I'm gone.

F***ing computer tables.

 

[ashley12]

Fairly standard, you got it in behind. Had he gone all in on the flop for say, 4 times the pot and you called, then you have a reason to be annoyed. Its just natural variance of poker.

If you are playing money that you cant afford to lose, then you shouldnt be playing at all...

 

[CrippsonBlue]

As Ash said, better to play with money that you can 'lose', but understandly, you would be pissed...though agree its pretty standard (You should check out a hand recently posted by Knowledge if you want to see something truely 'guttering')

One thing I hate with that scenerio is hitting the two pair. It looks great and all, and ok you now have two extra cards that can hit, and win you the hand, but if he hits his set, 2 pair means jack.

I often hit my two-pair when I move All-In against a pocket pair, only for him to hit his set on the turn/river....one pair is enough, and it just seems to rub salt in the wound.

 

[BlueFan4]

to put ur whole stack on an AK is pretty ambitious.

 

[paxmaniac]

to put ur whole stack on an AK is pretty ambitious.

Depends on the opponent. If they are tight, obviously AK is unlikely to be better than a coinflip. But if the opponent is overly aggressive, AK is not a bad hand to take a stand with since you are only really trailing AA and KK (and you just might catch them with AQ or worse). Also note that it was certainly "correct" to call the all-in from 88 based on the money already in the pot. To some extent it depends on whether you can take the variance that comes with playing $200 coin flips - you might prefer to wait for a better spot even when a call is correct.

 

[ashley12]

Depends on the opponent. If they are tight, obviously AK is unlikely to be better than a coinflip. But if the opponent is overly aggressive, AK is not a bad hand to take a stand with since you are only really trailing AA and KK (and you just might catch them with AQ or worse). Also note that it was certainly "correct" to call the all-in from 88 based on the money already in the pot. To some extent it depends on whether you can take the variance that comes with playing $200 coin flips - you might prefer to wait for a better spot even when a call is correct.

This...

Im a uni student, and once got myself into a $450 coinflip on 5/5 with QQ vs AK... very scary...

 

[Ricketts]

This... ??

 

[paxmaniac]

Im a uni student, and once got myself into a $450 coinflip on 5/5 with QQ vs AK... very scary...

It's a significant factor. The pros would happily bet $1000 or $10,000 or $100,000 at evens on a 51% proposition. The rest of us mere mortals choose to wait for a better spot.

 

[ashley12]

This... ??

2+2 reference...

Rather then saying something long and boring but generally agreeing with the highlighted quotes sentiments...

 

[The Passenger]

well i had fun on the river tonight. got beaten once which hurt cause it put me down to about 4 big blinds at the time, but stayed in my tournament 3 times.

first time the board showed 8 to Jack so my Q-10 stayed in against QQ with a split pot. I wasn't entirely enthusastic about going all in with Q-10 but with only 3 and a bit big blinds and being UTG+1 it was likely to be the best hand i had before i was forced.

second time was dead lucky. caught a king on the river to pair up my Kx (can't remember and can't find the hand now but it wasn't great) against pocket 7's or 8's.

third time i had heaps of outs. Had JTs so i bet out. the flop hit Q9x. Qx was my suit so i had an open straight draw, flush draw. i check hoping for free cards. guy calls all in... i think for a while and call. he flops over pocket 8's or 7's. can't remember. So i'm left with plenty of outs - 3 jacks, 3 tens, 4 8's, 4 kings, and 7 additional suited cards on top. total of 21 outs with 45 cards in the deck.... turn hits nothing, river hits a king to give me king high straight.

not long after i went out when i went all in and found myself in an identical situation except this time i didn't have so many outs as he had hit his set on the flop so one pair was no good. i had QT and the board was 9Jx with me having four suits. he puts me all in, i call. the blind had in time risen and i was down to about 4 left at this point.... he turns over pocket 9's. can't find the heart that i needed or an 8 or king. game over.

 

[ashley12]

It's a significant factor. The pros would happily bet $1000 or $10,000 or $100,000 at evens on a 51% proposition. The rest of us mere mortals choose to wait for a better spot.

Yes, but would they know that they are facing a coinflip, which is usually under pair vs two overs preflop. Mine was fair enough, I actually read the guy as either Ax, Kx or a low pair, which I am well infront of nearly all of that, only AK is close...

 

[Crosby87]

to put ur whole stack on an AK is pretty ambitious.

It's gambling, after all.

If you're playing a tournament, then yes, but if he wants to do so in a cash game and he feels he's a coin flip, then fine.

 

[Smoooothy]

ahh the ole anna k

sure, it looks good, but rarely wins...

 

[The Passenger]

don't talk to me about gutted on the river. i was ass r*ped today at the local.

sitting on about 7000 chips. there's a big stack on about 20K, and another fella. this guy got knocked out but got back in for 1000 via his drink card.

the hand before this guy called all in blind and won with 2x hitting trip 2's to get about 3500 in chips...

next hand i'm dealing. blinds are 75/100.

UTG (20K in chips) calls. he's been calling all game and has hit time and time again. he's had pocket jacks, hit a set of 9's, hit an ace high flush on the river....

the all-in blind guys calls blind.

folded to me on the button with AJo. i raise to 600. both of them call. blinds fold.

flop comes A57. one heart, two clubs.

20K stack bets out 600, all-in guy calls. i raise to 1800. both call. there's no way 20K stack is on two pair cause he was ready to throw his cards away. don't think he was acting either. all-in guy is on a flush draw cause he said "all in know is they are suited" before he bet "blind" and then said there's my suit when the Ace of hearts flopped.

turn comes 8 of hearts. 20K stack checks. all-in guy goes all in again. definetaly on a flush draw. i call, and 20k stack calls all-in. i think for a while and reckon he's still on one pair. definetaly the ace. i call.

we turn our cards. my AJ v A9 both clubs v heart flush draw. there's two hearts, tow clubs on the board. i'm in front but plenty of cards to beat me. any club, any heart, and the 9 of spades. even if i lose to heart flush draw i still come out in front anyway.

so we have
AJ - 7K in chips all in
A9 - 7k in chips called
heart flush draw about 3k in chips.

what comes on the river???

9 of hearts... any heart except the nine was fine. i would've come out abit above even. but no, 9 of hearts, thank you, see you later. from first to last in one card. i guess thats poker. time to watch the cricket.

EDIT: after thinking about this i actually wouldn't have minded losing to the 20K stack guy with his A9. if either of the other two nines came out i was still out and yeah it would've been a bad beat, but at least he was playing pretty well and would've knocked out the other guy. the other guy i couldn't believe he went from knocked out, to cashing his drink voucher for 1K, to tripling up all-in blind with trip 2's, to tripling up again on a 23 to 1 shot of hitting runner-runner flush. **** me. anyway, i'm glad i made a good call and had a good read on the guy. just got unlucky....

 

[CrippsonBlue]

i'm glad i made a good call and had a good read on the guy. just got unlucky....

Be honest, you're not glad at all are you, you're still just pissed

Nah, it's good when you can start to get a read on players. I'm starting to successfully introduce that to my game. Incidentaly, I have been beaten by A9 3 times over the last few days. Everytime, I have had AJ or above, Ace has come on flop, we've both got it all in, and the 9 has either hit on the turn or river....f^cking nines!

 

[Psi-Roos]

That sucks bad man but it happens take for example this at the pub i go to.

I'm on a crazy table, they are doing really random shit but I just decide to stick to my guns and play my game.

I'm on the button, all have folded before me. blinds are only 50/100

I get dealt Ad 6d

I raise to 400
SB Folds
BB calls (fair enough)

Flop = Ac Kh 2s

BB bets 100
I raise to 800
BB calls

Turn = 6s

BB bets 100
I go ALL IN
BB calls

We show the cards
Me = 2 pair A's 6's
BB = 7h 2c making a pair of 2's

River = 2h

He beats me with trips leaving me with 125 in chips. I was fine, I can handle that sort of stuff in poker. When I asked him why he called an all in with a pair of 2's and 3 overcards on the tabel his reply was.

"I was bluffing you, you fell for it hook line and sinker."


I went all in for the 125 next hand and went home.

 

[Ricketts]

Hahaha yeah i've heard that bluffing line used before at APL.

Guy calls on flop turn river and eventually makes a hand on the river good enough for the win.

"Wow you got lucky there man!"

"Yeah i was just bluffing him and it paid off!!"

 

[CrippsonBlue]

"I was bluffing you, you fell for it hook line and sinker."

I can handle bad beats, but when its for idioctic reasons, such as this (This so happens to be the worst I've ever heard) then it becomes annoying.

If he had the slightest bit of sense (Not even talking in relation to poker) you would have won that hand, if not after the flop, then on the turn.

....its funny, while being cringe-worthy at the same time.

 

[Psi-Roos]

I can handle bad beats, but when its for idioctic reasons, such as this (This so happens to be the worst I've ever heard) then it becomes annoying.

If he had the slightest bit of sense (Not even talking in relation to poker) you would have won that hand, if not after the flop, then on the turn.

....its funny, while being cringe-worthy at the same time.

It was so frustrating, I never let things get to me in poker, but the bluff call did. I borderline was never going to go again. Just give it up. Decided it wasn't poker anymore it was just cards.

I went on friday though and managed to come 5th and am going again in an hour. Hopefully it just fades into one of those stories you can have a laugh about.

 

[dr nick]

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"I was bluffing you, you fell for it hook line and sinker."


I went all in for the 125 next hand and went home.

falling for it hook line and sinker would be folding to it.

Ive lost more hands than i care to remember when I have called someones bluff and they jag runner runner. wtf was he bluffing with an A and K out on the flop anyway.

 

[dr nick]

Yes, but would they know that they are facing a coinflip, which is usually under pair vs two overs preflop. Mine was fair enough, I actually read the guy as either Ax, Kx or a low pair, which I am well infront of nearly all of that, only AK is close...

I like playing AK moreso than mid or low pairs. You come across a lot of people that overplay AJ or A rag, and you have them nailed.

Mid - Low pairs youre always at best a coin flip vs the overcards.

 

[ashley12]

I like playing AK moreso than mid or low pairs. You come across a lot of people that overplay AJ or A rag, and you have them nailed.

Mid - Low pairs youre always at best a coin flip vs the overcards.

AK flops well against a large field, particularly AKss. Obviously you make either a flush or the straight and it is the nut flush and straight. Also a lot of people who will overplay their AQ, AJ etc...

Though heads up a pocket pair > two overs...

AK played well is a powerful hand, though being able to ditch it on the flop, and in some cases pre-flop, is very important...

Low pocket pairs are drawing hands in a large field, not made hands, as are suited connectors...

 

[paxmaniac]

I can handle bad beats, but when its for idioctic reasons, such as this (This so happens to be the worst I've ever heard) then it becomes annoying.

The fact that idiots play poker is unequivocally a good thing. That is where you make most of your money in the long run (e.g morons that cap turn and river with TPTK vs your flopped nut flush).

 

[The Passenger]

Low pocket pairs are drawing hands in a large field, not made hands, as are suited connectors...

for the most part i don't even bother looking at low pocket pairs till late in a tournament.

I don't like limping in but if i can from late position when no one or only one person has called, or i can see them from the big blind without having to put any more in than i will see if i can hit a set and take it from there.

Obviousbly the problem with them is that you are completely lost if you don't hit your set.

I'd never raise with them early in a tournament.

As the tournament moves along and the blinds come up then i'll start to play them. Obviousbly at the end they are good.

I actually much prefer playing suited connectors than low pocket pairs. I think post flop you can set yourself up much better;

if you have 67s in late position, everyone folds and you raise minimum pre-flop and big blind calls than your opponent is most likely thinking your on a bigger hand, most likely suited face cards, pocket pairs 8+, or AK, AQ

so if the flop comes something low like 745 than you have an OESD and a pair and if you hit trips or your straight on the turn your in a great spot and your opponent is most likely thinking that flop did nothing for you when in fact it was brilliant. your also a fair chance to be able to see the turn card for free so you probably won't have to pay for your draw. If you hit you should take down a fairly sizable pot.

if the flop comes high like AJT and your opponent checks, then you can bet into the pot and most likely take it there with nothing. if your opponent bets into the pot then you can fold and not have lost many chips. conversely you can take a more aggressive approach and raise if your opponent bets. if your opponent has hit nothing or had T8 or something like that and was putting out an information bet then he'll probably fold. Obviousbly if your opponent had KQ or AJ or something like that the raise could be painful so reading him is crucial.

 

[Smoooothy]

He beats me with trips leaving me with 125 in chips. I was fine, I can handle that sort of stuff in poker. When I asked him why he called an all in with a pair of 2's and 3 overcards on the tabel his reply was.

"I was bluffing you, you fell for it hook line and sinker."


I went all in for the 125 next hand and went home.

he's probably pretty lucky to walk out of the pub with a comment like that....