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theyellowsash said:
how do these kinds of injuries/operations tend to hold up? i know that many players have recurring shoulder dislocation problems but does this surgery tend to reduce or remove this problem?

also, wow he is huge. we sure drafted a few man-children last year.
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Yes, this is almost certainly the million dollar question. It would be great if someone with any knowledge of shoulder reconstructions is able to shed some light. I honestly hope he is not in the same boat as Polo was OR worse again, Sean Rusling!
 
SA TIGER said:
Yes, this is almost certainly the million dollar question. It would be great if someone with any knowledge of shoulder reconstructions is able to shed some light. I honestly hope he is not in the same boat as Polo was OR worse again, Sean Rusling!
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Genetically myself and all my cousins on my fathers side of the family have what's called MDI, multi directional instability, basically we have really loose ligaments which means our shoulders dislocate really easily. My cousin just had a reco and I've done research and consultations on it as well.

As Griffiths did the other shoulder when he landed (he'd already had a reco on his other one) it's probably fair to say he has a similar condition or at least predisposition, another possible cause of easy dislocation is having a shallow rotator cuff, if you can imagine the socket of your shoulder as a bowl where the ball of the arm sits think of that bowl (the cuff) being too shallow as a result the shoulder moves out easier. Both conditions give the same effect however with easy dislocation requiring a much greater stress on the muscles which are trying to compensate for the lack of ligament support.

A reconstruction involves the restitching of torn or damaged ligaments in the shoulder area, if these ligaments are loose (such as with MDI) the surgeon may stitch them back tighter to provide more support. The surgeon may also cut the rotator cuff and stretch it further over the ball of the shoulder to provide a larger grip on the arm, also providing further support.

After a reconstruction the patient must focus on building up all of the muscles around the shoulder (rear, medial, posterior deltoid etc) to assist in keeping it in place, every dislocation or subluxation (partial dislocation) will weaken ligaments in the area. My cousins surgeon quoted a 20% chance of him redoing the shoulder however his was quite badly damaged, the more rehab you do and the longer you sit out the more chance you have of keeping it all together.

Keep in mind I'm only speculating from my experience, have no clue what his particular situation is so take what I say with a large handful of salt and chips because a handful of salt on it's own probably wouldn't go down amazingly well
 
Tiger_Stripes said:
Genetically myself and all my cousins on my fathers side of the family have what's called MDI, multi directional instability, basically we have really loose ligaments which means our shoulders dislocate really easily. My cousin just had a reco and I've done research and consultations on it as well.

As Griffiths did the other shoulder when he landed (he'd already had a reco on his other one) it's probably fair to say he has a similar condition or at least predisposition, another possible cause of easy dislocation is having a shallow rotator cuff, if you can imagine the socket of your shoulder as a bowl where the ball of the arm sits think of that bowl (the cuff) being too shallow as a result the shoulder moves out easier. Both conditions give the same effect however with easy dislocation requiring a much greater stress on the muscles which are trying to compensate for the lack of ligament support.

A reconstruction involves the restitching of torn or damaged ligaments in the shoulder area, if these ligaments are loose (such as with MDI) the surgeon may stitch them back tighter to provide more support. The surgeon may also cut the rotator cuff and stretch it further over the ball of the shoulder to provide a larger grip on the arm, also providing further support.

After a reconstruction the patient must focus on building up all of the muscles around the shoulder (rear, medial, posterior deltoid etc) to assist in keeping it in place, every dislocation or subluxation (partial dislocation) will weaken ligaments in the area. My cousins surgeon quoted a 20% chance of him redoing the shoulder however his was quite badly damaged, the more rehab you do and the longer you sit out the more chance you have of keeping it all together.

Keep in mind I'm only speculating from my experience, have no clue what his particular situation is so take what I say with a large handful of salt and chips because a handful of salt on it's own probably wouldn't go down amazingly well
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I appreciate your in depth, personal insight Tiger Stripes and would probably be satisfied if there was less than a 20% chance of Benny damaging his shoulder again (based on the severity of your cousin's injury).
 
Tiger_Stripes said:
Keep in mind I'm only speculating from my experience
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Thanks for that, great insight.

Without disrespecting your cousin or his surgeon, I dare say Griff's chances would be even better as he probably had a very good surgeon and perhaps more importantly, the benefit of a closely managed rehab. Provided RFC takes the long term view and doesn't rush his recovery, I dare say the chances are quite good.
 
He has had a couple of shoulder operations as a kid. But I dare say they would be sub par compared to what he would get at AFL level. I'm sure they tightened it all up and hopefully they come good.
 
darcytiger said:
He has had a couple of shoulder operations as a kid. But I dare say they would be sub par compared to what he would get at AFL level. I'm sure they tightened it all up and hopefully they come good.
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You would hope that the club, given his history, would have done their due diligence and been confident it was a problem that could be surmounted? I think I read somewhere that the club was confident this was the case, anyone else remember this?
 

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He takes a tall away from jack +
He has immense mobility for 198cm+
Can haul in a pack mark+
Im quoting one of the assistant coaches. 'Can kick the ball 60 metres off a step'+

We also have a lucky charm in Griffiths, 5 out of 5? You Beauty!!!!
 
I am a tiger too said:
He takes a tall away from jack +
He has immense mobility for 198cm+
Can haul in a pack mark+
Im quoting one of the assistant coaches. 'Can kick the ball 60 metres off a step'+

We also have a lucky charm in Griffiths, 5 out of 5? You Beauty!!!!
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Not putting any pressure on the young bloke, but I remember an article at the beginning of last season that said this guy would be the next Richo in terms of talent. Hopefully they were right & the body holds up.
 
ya know what people? what really pisses me off is all the hype feral supporters lump on young footballers at our club.

where are the comments that say sheesh dodgy shoulders for a few yrs now, hes had 5 ordinary games, hes almost 200cm and 100kg and hes a baby.
GEEZ JUST PERHAPS SHOULD WE NURSE HIM THRU LET HIM DEVELOP IN HIS OWN TIME AND JUST MAYBE EXPECT HIM TO DEVELOP AT A LOWER LEVEL, AS WE EXPECT NEARLY ALL OTHER PLAYERS TO DEVELOP YET ALONE BLOKES COMING OF CONSISTANT INJURY.

AND YEAH IM YELLING.
i really dont get it with supporters how about we actually develop them and when they actually prove something we laud them only then.
 
I'm pretty sure everyone here knows he will need a few more years to adjust to AFL etc. But, he is very promising and someone we all want to see on the park regularly.

And no I'm not yelling.
 
we are going to be so much close to being a top 8 team if this bloke can get his body right, that would give us 3 quality talls(jack ff, astbury chb, griff chf) out of the 4 needed to be competitve with the best teams in the comp.
 
Huge talent ... but huge risk .

The knock on him before he was drafted were his shoulders , exaserbated by his size and position he will play . 5 games in and his second shoulder reco .

Do the math .

Talk to the Collingwood ferals about Sean Rusling .

I reckon he could be real wildcard for us ... but just watch how he develops and put as little pressure on him as possible .

I would not play him until he was 110% ... and thats just @ Coburg . Still a baby and all the time in the world .
 

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santa claws said:
ya know what people? what really pisses me off is all the hype feral supporters lump on young footballers at our club.

where are the comments that say sheesh dodgy shoulders for a few yrs now, hes had 5 ordinary games, hes almost 200cm and 100kg and hes a baby.
GEEZ JUST PERHAPS SHOULD WE NURSE HIM THRU LET HIM DEVELOP IN HIS OWN TIME AND JUST MAYBE EXPECT HIM TO DEVELOP AT A LOWER LEVEL, AS WE EXPECT NEARLY ALL OTHER PLAYERS TO DEVELOP YET ALONE BLOKES COMING OF CONSISTANT INJURY.

AND YEAH IM YELLING.
i really dont get it with supporters how about we actually develop them and when they actually prove something we laud them only then.
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we'll leave the negative shit to you :cool:
 
Tiger_Stripes said:
Genetically myself and all my cousins on my fathers side of the family have what's called MDI, multi directional instability, basically we have really loose ligaments which means our shoulders dislocate really easily. My cousin just had a reco and I've done research and consultations on it as well.

As Griffiths did the other shoulder when he landed (he'd already had a reco on his other one) it's probably fair to say he has a similar condition or at least predisposition, another possible cause of easy dislocation is having a shallow rotator cuff, if you can imagine the socket of your shoulder as a bowl where the ball of the arm sits think of that bowl (the cuff) being too shallow as a result the shoulder moves out easier. Both conditions give the same effect however with easy dislocation requiring a much greater stress on the muscles which are trying to compensate for the lack of ligament support.

A reconstruction involves the restitching of torn or damaged ligaments in the shoulder area, if these ligaments are loose (such as with MDI) the surgeon may stitch them back tighter to provide more support. The surgeon may also cut the rotator cuff and stretch it further over the ball of the shoulder to provide a larger grip on the arm, also providing further support.

After a reconstruction the patient must focus on building up all of the muscles around the shoulder (rear, medial, posterior deltoid etc) to assist in keeping it in place, every dislocation or subluxation (partial dislocation) will weaken ligaments in the area. My cousins surgeon quoted a 20% chance of him redoing the shoulder however his was quite badly damaged, the more rehab you do and the longer you sit out the more chance you have of keeping it all together.

Keep in mind I'm only speculating from my experience, have no clue what his particular situation is so take what I say with a large handful of salt and chips because a handful of salt on it's own probably wouldn't go down amazingly well
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love your work ! Brilliant !
 
santa claws said:
ya know what people? what really pisses me off is all the hype feral supporters lump on young footballers at our club.

where are the comments that say sheesh dodgy shoulders for a few yrs now, hes had 5 ordinary games, hes almost 200cm and 100kg and hes a baby.
GEEZ JUST PERHAPS SHOULD WE NURSE HIM THRU LET HIM DEVELOP IN HIS OWN TIME AND JUST MAYBE EXPECT HIM TO DEVELOP AT A LOWER LEVEL, AS WE EXPECT NEARLY ALL OTHER PLAYERS TO DEVELOP YET ALONE BLOKES COMING OF CONSISTANT INJURY.

AND YEAH IM YELLING.
i really dont get it with supporters how about we actually develop them and when they actually prove something we laud them only then.
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You've got some serious issues Santa. The best thing about this article is the picture. A 5 year old can see it is another pre season fluff piece. Don't read the papers in the off season if you can't handle reading crap like this. By the way his 5 games last year were good. Football is a team sport and this kid really straightened us up. Deadly shot for goal and reads the play well. Loved when he chopped that kick in off against Sydney and then casually slotted it from 45m out on an angle. The whole process took him about 43 seconds and he didn't look like missing.

I love the way you point out to us all that the article is crap and that we put pressure on our young players. Non of us wrote the article and everyone knows this kid needs time to develop.

Your merely stating the obvious again. I bet your the type of guy that tells people what's coming up in a movie and spoils it because you've seen it and you just don't know how to keep your trap shut.

WHAT'S WITH ALL THE YELLING ?

If you haven't figured it out yet Santa articles like this are written so we know how players are going. This one is meant to provide us with an update on Bens injury and what level he is at in his come back from said injury. The article is also designed to build anticipation for the coming season with the hope that more people , especially those that enjoyed seeing Ben play last year buy a membership.

Did you not understand this or am I merely stating the obvious like you do in all your posts.
 

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