News Grigg happy to stay

[ESKIE]

It's obscene the amount the GC are splashing out Bluesque.

I'm with you in regards to trade week.

Will be hectic ..........

Bring it on !!!!!!!!!

The amount that GA junior is reportedly getting is mind boggling...

 

[Aphrodite]

The amount that GA junior is reportedly getting is mind boggling...

Nearly $10mil over 5 years

He gets $6mil up front aswell

 

[ESKIE]

Grigg really is a one man wolf pack.

Dyed in the wool supporters are within their rights to call a player a dog if they walk out and join a bottom two side.

Current teammates might feel different after their Hangover stunt in Las Vegas.

If he wants to leave after hearing Kernahan's message at the B & F, then he's not welcome.

Grigg isn't doing a Stevens, Warnock and Judd who came home to Victoria.

We can survive without him next year and after that.

B: Paul Bower, Michael Jamison, Dennis Armfield
HB: Marcus Davies, Mark Austin, Jordan Russell
C: Kade Simpson, Chris Judd, Kane Lucas
HF: Chris Yarran, Lachlan Henderson, Ryan Houlihan
F: Mitch Robinson, Jarrad Waite, Marc Murphy
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Bryce Gibbs, Brock Mclean

I/C: Aaron Joseph, Jeff Garlett, Andrew Carrazzo, Robert Warnock

Emerg: Eddie Betts, Andrew Walker, picks 14/18 & pick 28 (for Jacobs), pick 29 or 45 (for Grigg), pick 36, pick 51, Dylan Buckley, Zac Tuohy, David Ellard, Simon White, Steven Browne, Chris Johnson, Shaun Hampson, Rhys O'keeffe, Richard Hadley, Levi Casboult, Rohan Kerr

Can't argue with that General

 

[Sin City]

Nearly $10mil over 5 years

He gets $6mil up front aswell

This is an interesting post with a bit of merit. How much more can they splash out?

Yeah, the GC salary cap is not an ever-lasting gob-stopper. They have access to @9.21 million salary cap in 2011, plus @573k in the Additional Services Agreement (think Visy) - that's @9.7 million.

Assuming Gary's 1.9 million a year has 500k coming from the ASA, TPP would be, at a guess, on average p.a.:

• 1.4 million Ablett
• 600k Bock
• 450k Harbrow
• 450k Rischitelli
• 400k Brown
• 400k Krakouer

That's already around 3.7 million from the TPP - leaving 5.5 million to split between 42 other senior listed players and 9 rookies. Hunt and Folau are excluded from this scenario as marketing gimmicks, so really it's 5.5 between 40 senior players and 9 rookies.

Brennan is still in the mix too which would significantly reduce what can be paid.

If Brennan is signed there wouldn't be much left in the war-chest by my calculations.

Within two years, many of the young GC stars will be signing new contracts with significantly better remuneration. From Cloke's perspective, a move to the Gold Coast wouldn't represent much more of a financial incentive and certainly no long-term prospects.

 

[ESKIE]

Nearly $10mil over 5 years

He gets $6mil up front aswell

Thanks for remindiing me, I forgot to check my tattslotto ticket

 

[ESKIE]

This is an interesting post with a bit of merit. How much more can they splash out?

Bit like supercoach ..

Seriously, interesting...what happens when the young guns develop, and want more spondoola ... bit like Brisbane, with the back ended contracts and have got caught out...

 

[Sin City]

Bit like supercoach ..

Seriously, interesting...what happens when the young guns develop, and want more spondoola ... bit like Brisbane, with the back ended contracts and have got caught out...

Yeah, and only approx 112k on average for their other 49 players for next year. Rookies have a pretty low base but they get match payments as well.

 

[Aphrodite]

Bit like supercoach ..

Seriously, interesting...what happens when the young guns develop, and want more spondoola ... bit like Brisbane, with the back ended contracts and have got caught out...

They will asked to be traded to the Blues

In all seriousness Bluesque, I feel that the GC will be in trouble in years to come with salary cap pressure & may find themselves in the same scenario as the Brions.

 

[Aphrodite]

Yeah, and only approx 112k on average for their other 49 players for next year. Rookies have a pretty low base but they get match payments as well.

Sin do you know appr what a 1st year player might be on?

Is it in the $50K vicinity?

 

[Sin City]

Sin do you know appr what a 1st year player might be on?

Is it in the $50K vicinity?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=2538

If they want Brennan things must surely start getting pretty tight.

EDIT: Scrap that one, this is more recent
http://aflpa.com.au/articleimage/cba-explained

Each club shall pay a player that does not fall into the categories below a minimum base payment each year along with a minimum match payment for AFL matches. Those players exempt from this include:

A first year draft choice (e.g. Tom Scully)
A second year player (e.g. Jack Ziebell)
A rookie list player (e.g. Majak Daw)
A player promoted from the rookie list (e.g. Zac Dawson/Shane Mumford in 2009)
2010: Base Salary $64,700, Senior Match Payment $2,800
2011: Base Salary $66,900, Senior Match Payment $2,900

2010
First Round - $57,300 base, $2,800 match payment
Second Round - $52,000 base, $2,800 match payment
Third, remaining rounds & preseason draft - $49,400 base, $2,800 match payment

2011
First Round - $59,200 base, $2,900 match payment
Second Round - $53,800 base, $2,900 match payment
Third, remaining rounds & preseason draft - $51,000 base, $2,900 match payment

http://aflpa.com.au/articleimage/cba-explained

 

[Stamos]

GC have said they are after 1 more player (I think it's Brennan), and that is all they can afford. These 7 players will be on front-ended contracts, and everyone else will be on minimum wage. In about 4 or 5 years, it will all even out and they will be the same as all the other clubs.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Yes, in one way you can see the AFL creating a monster but in another way you can see reverse carnage.

From years 2-4 onwards there will be quite significant player exoduses from the GC due to:

1) Go home factor...players have really been forced to go there...means where other clubs have to manage 1-2 homesick players, GC have to manage 30+...here it will be close to impossible as there are too many to personally manage their state of mind.

2) Money...come years 2-4, not enough of them will get paid fairly once their form kicks in. Some will be put out and want a return to their home state clubs.

3) If you get an oversupply of players in one position, only a certain amount will shine leaving good draft picks wasting in development - these will leave and shine elsewhere. For example, If you have 2 elite FBs, one will leave for sure, and quickly. A bit like going to a dinner party and having a loudmouth dominate everything...once he leaves others speak up all of a sudden. In 1-2 years, certain players wont have spoken up or established themselves for a number of reasons.

4) Players will live in a party environment on the GC. This will stall their development and slightly screw with their development. THeir value will deteriorate and then interstae clubs will pick them up slightly cheaper and then re-develop the quality.


What we need to do as a club, is be rdy for this time and go hard. Get in their ears early. We should be talking to the player managers and finding victorian draftees (pref players who supported Carlton as a kid), and just keep tabs from time to time and say Carlton are very interested and really rate the player.....so when it comes to the big shove/trade, they remember and are flattered by Carlton's interest over time.

If Carlton arent doing something like this, then our recruitment guys are remiss. A lot of players will be leaving Gold Coast and we want to be first in line to get stuff cheap!

 

[40yearBLUE]

Yes, in one way you can see the AFL creating a monster but in another way you can see reverse carnage.

From years 2-4 onwards there will be quite significant player exoduses from the GC due to:

1) Go home factor...players have really been forced to go there...means where other clubs have to manage 1-2 homesick players, GC have to manage 30+...here it will be close to impossible as there are too many to personally manage their state of mind.

2) Money...come years 2-4, not enough of them will get paid fairly once their form kicks in. Some will be put out and want a return to their home state clubs.

3) If you get an oversupply of players in one position, only a certain amount will shine leaving good draft picks wasting in development - these will leave and shine elsewhere. For example, If you have 2 elite FBs, one will leave for sure, and quickly. A bit like going to a dinner party and having a loudmouth dominate everything...once he leaves others speak up all of a sudden. In 1-2 years, certain players wont have spoken up or established themselves for a number of reasons.

4) Players will live in a party environment on the GC. This will stall their development and slightly screw with their development. THeir value will deteriorate and then interstae clubs will pick them up slightly cheaper and then re-develop the quality.


What we need to do as a club, is be rdy for this time and go hard. Get in their ears early. We should be talking to the player managers and finding victorian draftees (pref players who supported Carlton as a kid), and just keep tabs from time to time and say Carlton are very interested and really rate the player.....so when it comes to the big shove/trade, they remember and are flattered by Carlton's interest over time.

If Carlton arent doing something like this, then our recruitment guys are remiss. A lot of players will be leaving Gold Coast and we want to be first in line to get stuff cheap!

Yep all of that is gonna happen at a professionally run club with the eyes of the AFL watching closely over its massive investment I particularly like the thought they are all just going to party just because its the gold coast? Do you also think all Blues eat spaghetti because of Lygon Street?

I see you havent matured much since last we tangled. Any chance you might get a clue one of these days?

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Yep all of that is gonna happen at a professionally run club with the eyes of the AFL watching closely over its massive investment I particularly like the thought they are all just going to party just because its the gold coast? Do you also think all Blues eat spaghetti because of Lygon Street?

I see you havent matured much since last we tangled. Any chance you might get a clue one of these days?

You are one crazy old man 30Y lol. What club can keep 10+ firast rounders on its list happy paywise and G Ablett, and quite a few others on big money! No club.

I'm not saying anything crazy. They can keep them all early (as first/second year players) on lower pay...but once they show something and want more, they will struggle to get it after year 3...just as they start to shine at AFL level. GC just cant hold on to them all...market forces.

Cant believe you think a statement like this is clueless!

Clueless is your middle name old timer!

 

[40yearBLUE]

You are one crazy old man 30Y lol. What club can keep 10+ firast rounders on its list happy paywise and G Ablett, and quite a few others on big money! No club.

I'm not saying anything crazy. They can keep them all early (as first/second year players) on lower pay...but once they show something and want more, they will struggle to get it after year 3...just as they start to shine at AFL level. GC just cant hold on to them all...market forces.

Cant believe you think a statement like this is clueless!

Clueless is your middle name old timer!

Well lets just examine them point by point shall we.......

Go home factor, yep all 40 of them are gonna want to go home all at the same time, so silly its barely worth discussing so I wont bother.

Money, no they wont understand how to manage their TPP, they wont understand that some of the kids will develop into guns and have bigger money offered to them, that will be a totally foreign concept to them that the moment it happens they will just put their fingers in their ears and say LA LA LA very loudly until it goes away.

Oversupply, yes what they will have is Hyper Noahs ark up there, 2 of everything but 2 so good one of them will walk. Yep In fact on the one hand you claim the atmosphere will stifle development but in the same post argue that development will be so good that they have oversupply of every position and a mass exodus.....you have no idea of logical thought progression do you?

I have already ridiculed the party town concept, but in case you didnt catch the ridicule, do you think that everyone at the Gold Coast Titans or Gold Coast United are just party boys, its an argument too stupid to discuss.

So yeah we should have Shane Rogers camped outside Cararra in a winebego from next month onwards on the lookout for our next coup.

Yep, you gave that one a lot of thought.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Well lets just examine them point by point shall we.......

Go home factor, yep all 40 of them are gonna want to go home all at the same time, so silly its barely worth discussing so I wont bother.

Money, no they wont understand how to manage their TPP, they wont understand that some of the kids will develop into guns and have bigger money offered to them, that will be a totally foreign concept to them that the moment it happens they will just put their fingers in their ears and say LA LA LA very loudly until it goes away.

Oversupply, yes what they will have is Hyper Noahs ark up there, 2 of everything but 2 so good one of them will walk. Yep In fact on the one hand you claim the atmosphere will stifle development but in the same post argue that development will be so good that they have oversupply of every position and a mass exodus.....you have no idea of logical thought progression do you?

I have already ridiculed the party town concept, but in case you didnt catch the ridicule, do you think that everyone at the Gold Coast Titans or Gold Coast United are just party boys, its an argument too stupid to discuss.

So yeah we should have Shane Rogers camped outside Cararra in a winebego from next month onwards on the lookout for our next coup.

Yep, you gave that one a lot of thought.

You can't read or understand. Let me counter my good man!

I said they would struggle to manage 40...i'm not saying all will want a return home. I'm saying out of the 40 very good highly rated young players they have, anywhere from 5-10 may want out after 2-3 years. Hardly outlandish.

Struggle to manage TPP payments...well, every other club has MANY less top 20 draft picks and ARE currently struggling to hold on to their elite players money-wise...just how are the GC in 2-4 years time going to hold on to the equivalent of 10+ more highly rated draft picks/players over any other club. They wont through market suply and demand. AS for some youngsters being higher rated and some not...look at the last 3 drafts of top 16 picks. Only 2-3 players have not made the grade as a very good player. It GC hit the same average...it will be VERY hard if they decide to hold on to all their picks.

As for the party town concept...look into Brisbane in its early day for a similar evidence. It takes a lot of in built culture to build a premiership club. They have none, lots of young talented kids, and a holiday town in which to live. It is not a long bow to draw not matter what you think.

All we need to do is ensure that we are a chance in 2-3 years time and are involved in any Victorian talent they may want to return. Again, nothing outlandish in the statement.

Seriously poor 30YBlue. The good thing about our new debates is i will get the last say now as i'm on a later time zone than you

 

[40yearBLUE]

You are gonna need the last say cos you aint got any logic. 5 -10 players so 25% of their list wanting to come home........yep, I will cede you that one cos I feel silly arguing with you about it......

And Collingwood has a list of Premier players many of them under 25, how on earth will they manage to pay them, no wonder Eddie is panicking.....come to think of it, how did Geelong manage it? I think a major inquiry is called for, this could be a major scandal you have uncovered.........

Party town .......bwa ha ha ha stop it ha ha ha.......no really stop it....ha ha ha

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

You are gonna need the last say cos you aint got any logic. 5 -10 players so 25% of their list wanting to come home........yep, I will cede you that one cos I feel silly arguing with you about it......

And Collingwood has a list of Premier players many of them under 25, how on earth will they manage to pay them, no wonder Eddie is panicking.....come to think of it, how did Geelong manage it? I think a major inquiry is called for, this could be a major scandal you have uncovered.........

Party town .......bwa ha ha ha stop it ha ha ha.......no really stop it....ha ha ha

Let me summarise your post for you in a couple of words..."you got nuffin"

That's why I don't get mad at you any more 30YBlue...you are a nice but toothless.

Have a hot cup of cocoa and get a good night's rest

 

[Silvagnis]

The Grigg thread on the Richmond board is worth a read just to see how bitter Gets! and NTRabbit are.

Even for Sin City if he wants to log out to read it.

I hope Richmond plays Grigg as an outside midfielder in round one like some posted in that thread.

Grigg will only give it back like Carrazzo if he tries to kick long to Riewoldt.

Where else is the ball going to go?

The guys who are first 22 or thereabouts don't want to leave.

juddsetanta517 posted that Grigga would be their best midfielder after Deledio when he plays in the middle.

Nice work.

Losing Grigg who hasn't played a part in the last two seasons won't hurt us.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

The Grigg thread on the Richmond board is worth a read just to see how bitter Gets! and NTRabbit are.

Even for Sin City if he wants to log out to read it.

I hope Richmond plays Grigg as an outside midfielder in round one like some posted in that thread.

Grigg will only give it back like Carrazzo if he tries to kick long to Riewoldt.

Where else is the ball going to go?

The guys who are first 22 or thereabouts don't want to leave.

juddsetanta517 posted that Grigga would be their best midfield after Deledio when he plays in the middle.

Nice work.

Losing Grigg who hasn't played a part in the last two seasons won't hurt us.

I'm hoping you're right General. Personally, I think Grigg can go either way and it is 50/50. If they develop his kicking, he will be very good.

I'm disappointed we look like losing him.

 

[juddsentant517]

The Grigg thread on the Richmond board is worth a read just to see how bitter Gets! and NTRabbit are.

Even for Sin City if he wants to log out to read it.

I hope Richmond plays Grigg as an outside midfielder in round one like some posted in that thread.

Grigg will only give it back like Carrazzo if he tries to kick long to Riewoldt.

Where else is the ball going to go?

The guys who are first 22 or thereabouts don't want to leave.

juddsetanta517 posted that Grigga would be their best midfield after Deledio when he plays in the middle.

Nice work.

Losing Grigg who hasn't played a part in the last two seasons won't hurt us.

I stick by that comment

 

[Sin City]

Even for Sin City if he wants to log out to read it.

I had to log out and have a look after that.

**** they're a bunch of morons. Their best quality posters would only fit in on this board after a loss to Essendon (except for Morro and Cormick).

He is potentially a good player, but those ferals will turn on him as soon as he shanks one into the crowd while we flog them in round one. All down hill from there.

 

[Silvagnis]

I stick by that comment

Do you actually believe that Grigg would be a better midfielder than Cotchin and Martin in 2011?

Cotchin is great overhead, hard at it and a great kick with both feet.

Both Martin and Cotchin can kick with both feet.

Kreuzer is a better kick than Grigg.

And he's a ruckman FFS.

Grigg can carry the ball, but he isn't evasive and a mid who can wind his way out of traffic like Gibbs, Yarran, Lucas, Simpson, Judd, Murphy and Walker. Like Robinson, Carrazzo and Walker, he gives the ball too much air if he has to kick long. I disagree with an Essendon supporter who said Grigg is better than Myers. I'd rather have Myers kicking the ball and spotting up a leading forward.