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Ground Ball Gets - Midfield Key

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When you have a look at the strong clubs in the AFL, those that have strong midfield units, they often have one thing in common more than contested possession rates - they hunt the ground ball better. In fact, Ground Ball Gets are a better indication than CP because a contested possession is simply a possession that was gained under pressure, someone in the back line could have a huge contested possession rate purely based on the fact that they are under siege and under pressure from the opposition.

Ground Ball Gets, on the other hand, are frequently contested, but at the same time they are a better indication of someone going for the ball in a stoppage situation. These are not just contested possessions, but possessions in active dispute. When you look at the best midfield units in the competition, they have a glut of players getting and hunting this type of ball. It's pretty much a trademark of the best contested mids in the competition.

Worps, to his credit, is way up there with his efforts this year and is our best at this aspect of the game. But before we have our second player feature, other clubs have the following players.

Melbourne have Oliver, Brayshaw, Harmes, Petracca, Salem that are all elite. Leave aside their woes this year, their midfield unit has been great in that one aspect at least.

Geelong have Dangerfield, Kelly, Ablett, Constable, Parfitt.

Adelaide have the Crouches, Sloane, Lynch.

Dogs have Liberatore, Macrae, Bontempelli, Hunter.

However, when you look further down the list, we have a few players who (on a ratio of possession to ground ball gets) have almost half their touches come from this metric. Impey and Scrimshaw are both two of the best GBG-Possession players in the competition with an average of 14 touches, but of those touches 6.5 GBG.

On top of that, the ability to be clean at your feet, and big or explosive, are very important in the modern midfield. Scrimshaw at 193cm has a large frame and very clean skills, very much one touch with his possessions. Impey has pace, a strong core and can shake off a tackler which results in clearances and deep entries for us.

Understanding that these guys don't have the tank to be full time midfielders yet, or ever - but perhaps these guys need to form part of our midfield rotation this year as we try to survive without Tom Mitchell (historically one of the top 3 players in the comp at this aspect).

What are your thoughts? What do you think is the key for us?
 
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I know this was a key indicator of our forwards during our peak
We were head and shoulders above everyone in this stat

From memory, the key for our forward line has always included this metric, as well as pressure rating, goal assists (note not goals) and tackles I50.
 

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Another thing going for Scrimshaw when it comes to potential appearances in the guts is his tackling and contested possession rate which have both been elite. I'm honestly pleasantly surprised with his effort on this front, because it was definitely not something anyone would have expected. I was expecting aerial threat and distributor but over these two games he's shown a bit more than that.
 
Another thing going for Scrimshaw when it comes to potential appearances in the guts is his tackling and contested possession rate which have both been elite. I'm honestly pleasantly surprised with his effort on this front, because it was definitely not something anyone would have expected. I was expecting aerial threat and distributor but over these two games he's shown a bit more than that.

Love Scrimshaw
 
Would be good if you could give a link to stats or provide a few more in the post. Particularly when you mention things like the Melbourne players being elite - I'm not quite sure what this actually means in terms of numbers/comparisons with others.
 
Would be good if you could give a link to stats or provide a few more in the post. Particularly when you mention things like the Melbourne players being elite - I'm not quite sure what this actually means in terms of numbers/comparisons with others.
Where did you see these stats?

All available on AFL Stats Pro.

I considered 'Elite' to be anything greater than our second best Ground Ball Get player, Jaeger.

So all of those clubs mentioned had the players that I listed as being better at hunting the ground ball than we are.
 
For a lot of clubs there is a progression from flanker through to midfielder as the body matures and they learn a few moves before being thrown to the wolves. However, at Hawthorn this seems like a very poor or non-existent pathway.

I've been trying to think we're we've successfully done it in the past; a young recruit who learnt their craft on the flanks then transitioned into full-time midfielder of a good standard. I would argue that generally our midfielders were recruited as midfielders and essentially went straight in there, e.g. Worpel, Cousins. Whereas we've been unsuccessful in the transition of Cyril, Breust, Puopolo, Anderson (who has had greater success at NM), and it sounds like we won't pursue it with Chad.

Any thoughts on this? Is Hawthorn 'bad' at this? Do we not value it? Just a thought bubble when I was in bed last night haha!
 
For a lot of clubs there is a progression from flanker through to midfielder as the body matures and they learn a few moves before being thrown to the wolves. However, at Hawthorn this seems like a very poor or non-existent pathway.

I've been trying to think we're we've successfully done it in the past; a young recruit who learnt their craft on the flanks then transitioned into full-time midfielder of a good standard. I would argue that generally our midfielders were recruited as midfielders and essentially went straight in there, e.g. Worpel, Cousins. Whereas we've been unsuccessful in the transition of Cyril, Breust, Puopolo, Anderson (who has had greater success at NM), and it sounds like we won't pursue it with Chad.

Any thoughts on this? Is Hawthorn 'bad' at this? Do we not value it? Just a thought bubble when I was in bed last night haha!

Up until a couple of years ago, there wasn’t a lot of room for an up and coming midfielder to slot in. The only slots available have been on the flanks and the wings
 
When you have a look at the strong clubs in the AFL, those that have strong midfield units, they often have one thing in common more than contested possession rates - they hunt the ground ball better. In fact, Ground Ball Gets are a better indication than CP because a contested possession is simply a possession that was gained under pressure, someone in the back line could have a huge contested possession rate purely based on the fact that they are under siege and under pressure from the opposition.

Ground Ball Gets, on the other hand, are frequently contested, but at the same time they are a better indication of someone going for the ball in a stoppage situation. These are not just contested possessions, but possessions in active dispute. When you look at the best midfield units in the competition, they have a glut of players getting and hunting this type of ball. It's pretty much a trademark of the best contested mids in the competition.

Worps, to his credit, is way up there with his efforts this year and is our best at this aspect of the game. But before we have our second player feature, other clubs have the following players.

Melbourne have Oliver, Brayshaw, Harmes, Petracca, Salem that are all elite. Leave aside their woes this year, their midfield unit has been great in that one aspect at least.

Geelong have Dangerfield, Kelly, Ablett, Constable, Parfitt.

Adelaide have the Crouches, Sloane, Lynch.

Dogs have Liberatore, Macrae, Bontempelli, Hunter.

However, when you look further down the list, we have a few players who (on a ratio of possession to ground ball gets) have almost half their touches come from this metric. Impey and Scrimshaw are both two of the best GBG-Possession players in the competition with an average of 14 touches, but of those touches 6.5 GBG.

On top of that, the ability to be clean at your feet, and big or explosive, are very important in the modern midfield. Scrimshaw at 193cm has a large frame and very clean skills, very much one touch with his possessions. Impey has pace, a strong core and can shake off a tackler which results in clearances and deep entries for us.

Understanding that these guys don't have the tank to be full time midfielders yet, or ever - but perhaps these guys need to form part of our midfield rotation this year as we try to survive without Tom Mitchell (historically one of the top 3 players in the comp at this aspect).

What are your thoughts? What do you think is the key for us?
Great write up and 100% spot on! The loose/ground ball gets are a great indication of work rate, numbers around the contest and solid foot speed!
Great post!
 
Nash is excellent with his hands when taking ground-balls.
Clean take, snap decision making and disposal.
IIRC he had 3 handball goal assists in Round 1.
 

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