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Gumbleton or Hansen?

Gumbleton or Hansen?

  • Gumbleton

    Votes: 88 54.7%

  • Hansen

    Votes: 73 45.3%
  • Total voters
    161

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Weaver said:
Its harder to play CHF than CHB. Gumbleton can play forward and if needed can be swung into defence. Hansen has struggled as a forward and looks best suited to CHB. I'd always take the forward over the defender.
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I agree with this. I'd also say that Gumbleton looks the better kick of the two -- a skill that shouldn't be underestimated in modern possession/flooding football.
 
Gumbelton-Hes the best CHF in the draft since Nick Reiwoldt and Jonathon Brown, He is a pure CHF and has the competetivness in the air to hold down this position.
For some reason reminds me of a better Justin Longmuir.
 
Weaver said:
Its harder to play CHF than CHB. Gumbleton can play forward and if needed can be swung into defence. Hansen has struggled as a forward and looks best suited to CHB. I'd always take the forward over the defender.
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I have to agree Weaver, the thought I haven't been able to shake is Hansen is a natural defender. Gumbleton gives flexibility and play the hardest position on the ground. Although I know he is a fantastic talent, I would find it hard to slect him at No1. I think you could lock in Gibbs to Carlton now, and if I were Essendon I'd be looking at Gumbleton and Thorp over Hansen.

But thats just my opionion based on limited knowledge.
 

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Weaver said:
Hansen has struggled as a forward and looks best suited to CHB.
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Pretty hard to establish himself as a CHF when his coach (Hudson) keeps putting him back to CHB whenever the opposition gets some momentum. Based the side around Hansen at CHB last year which was underastandable as he was only 16 and still developing.

Everyone was looking expectantly to seeing Hansen play forward this year, however, didn't really go forward until the last qtr of their 3rd game of the season against Bendigo and played well in the next couple of games until injured. Since coming back to the Power after the U/18 championships he did pretty well at CHF against Dandenong in atrocious conditions, however, was back to CHB against Bendigo.

Whilst he isn't quite big enough at 196cm I believe that with his mobility and big motor he should be used in an on-ball capacity. His ruckwork when called upon is excellent. No doubt he is a high quality defender, however, hasn't really been given an ample opportunity to add to his CV in other areas.

Kicked 4 against Calder at CHF earlier in the year, however, with Allen kicking 17 in the past 2 weeks it is likely that Hansen will again be down back.
 
Weaver said:
Its harder to play CHF than CHB. Gumbleton can play forward and if needed can be swung into defence. Hansen has struggled as a forward and looks best suited to CHB. I'd always take the forward over the defender.
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I disagree vehemently with this - It's no more difficult to play one position than another.

However, it IS easier to get by just coasting at CHB, while playing at CHF means that to be effective, you have to work hard constantly.

To suggest, though, that it is somehow a knock on Lachlan Hansen that he is perhaps more suited to playing at CHB is totally unfair.

Would you have taken Peter Sumich over Glen Jakovich?
 
vinnie_vegas69 said:
I disagree vehemently with this - It's no more difficult to play one position than another.
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Surely, it's harder to play as a forward with your back to goals, than as a defender with the play in front of you? Not to mention being harder to mark than to spoil? Forwards are still the most valuable players in the game, for mine. All things being equal, who wouldn't take Hall, Tredrea, Brown, Pavlich, and Riewoldt over Scarlett, Michael, Fletcher etc?

Would you have taken Peter Sumich over Glen Jakovich?
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I'd take Jakovich, but that's because he's an A-grade CHB and Sumich was only, in my opinion, a B-grade FF. If the comparison was between Carey, an A-grade CHF, and Jakovich, an A-grade CHB, I'd take the forward every time.
 
Palmer Stoat said:
I'd take Jakovich, but that's because he's an A-grade CHB and Sumich was only, in my opinion, a B-grade FF. If the comparison was between Carey, an A-grade CHF, and Jakovich, an A-grade CHB, I'd take the forward every time.
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Yes, but my contention is that Hansen could be as good as a CHB as Gumbleton is as a CHF.

Just because one plays CHF does not mean they're automatically better.

And besides, Hansen's abilities as a CHF are being greatly downplayed.

He played at CHF earlier in the season and his stats were:

Gippsland vs. Bendigo: 27 possessions, 13 marks, 3 tackles, 1 goal
Gippsland vs. Calder: 21 possessions, 9 marks, 1 tackles, 4 goals
Gippsland vs. Western: 12 possessions, 8 marks, 2 tackles, 1 goal
Gippsland vs. Eastern: 14 possessions, 11 marks, 3 goals
Gippsland vs. Dandenong: 18 possessions, 9 marks, 2 tackles, 2 goals

It is not as though he can't play as a forward. He just dominates games from the backline to the point that it makes more sense to play him there.
 
vinnie_vegas69 said:
Yes, but my contention is that Hansen could be as good as a CHB as Gumbleton is as a CHF.

Just because one plays CHF does not mean they're automatically better.

And besides, Hansen's abilities as a CHF are being greatly downplayed.

He played at CHF earlier in the season and his stats were:

Gippsland vs. Bendigo: 27 possessions, 13 marks, 3 tackles, 1 goal
Gippsland vs. Calder: 21 possessions, 9 marks, 1 tackles, 4 goals
Gippsland vs. Western: 12 possessions, 8 marks, 2 tackles, 1 goal
Gippsland vs. Eastern: 14 possessions, 11 marks, 3 goals
Gippsland vs. Dandenong: 18 possessions, 9 marks, 2 tackles, 2 goals

It is not as though he can't play as a forward. He just dominates games from the backline to the point that it makes more sense to play him there.
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I understand what you saying but I must add that certain individuals have a different physcological approach to the game.

For instance someone that I'm sure you'll appreciate is "Lica", for years he has tagged and gained alot of possession by being lead to the ball and wining it from there. On the occassion he has played outside he is not nearly effective, still good but not as good. Some players have a attacking mentality other a defensive.
The comparison of Hansen and Gumbleton must be looked at what position they are best at, not what they can play. Drafting players on what they can do versus what they may be able to do can be a gamble (positional). Gumbleton is a fantastic CHF but is only a good CHB, Hansen is a fantastic CHB but only a good CHF. Like in a workplace, people have different skill sets and you give them duties that compliment those skills.
 
But you'd prefer the one who was more versatile. Weaver was pointing out that Gumbleton could probably be swung to defence, even though he was drafted as a forward, but Hansen looks like defence is the only string to his bow.

I wouldn't know much either way, haven't seen enough on either to comment, but I can understand what he's saying.

Roughead was a key forward, who looks like he may play either defence or forward at this stage.

Drafting a defender, who struggles up forward only leaves one possibilty when drafting, whereas the CHF tends to be able to be sent back. Kennedy from Carlton might end up in defence as well.
 
Played on Hansen for a while yesterday and can tell you this kid is a gun. Such a good mark and a very penetrating kick although he has no left foot. Will be a superstar at either end of the ground although i think that he will probably end up a CHF.
 

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:rolleyes: Carlton FC needs a tall and will pass on Bryce Gibbs, hoping to snare a midfielder later. Gumbleton can play not only forward but back as well as per the U/18 Nationals. The raps on Hansen are big and he can also play at both ends. Carlton will probably select Gumbleton ahead of Hansen as he is playing WAFl already, and has a hugh motor to boot.
 
Would have thought the opportunity to build a spine around Kennedy and Gumbleton/Hansen would be to much an attraction to pass up on.

Also, suspect some very good mids will be there at pick 17.
 
Grand Cidium said:
Carlton will probably select Gumbleton ahead of Hansen as he is playing WAFl already, and has a hugh motor to boot.
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There is really very little between both Hansen and Gumbleton. Both have fantastic hands, read the play well, run all day, are athletic and tall. No wonder the clubs are salivating at the thought of picking them up. Whilst Gumbleton is playing WAFL Seniors, the "physicality" is not really there. This was evident during the U/18 Championships when both Vic Metro and Country defeated their highly fancied rivals due to their ability to place intense physical pressure on them throughout the game.

Toss of a coin for me on who goes first. Whatever the outcome I am sure we will be talking about both for years to come.
 

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We need a CHF at north and if we get pick 3 and gumbleton is taken, would Hansen be worthwhile to get as our future CHF or is he a CHB as many have suggested.

Who are the CHF/FF options in this draft.
 
rooboy_88 said:
We need a CHF at north and if we get pick 3 and gumbleton is taken, would Hansen be worthwhile to get as our future CHF or is he a CHB as many have suggested.

Who are the CHF/FF options in this draft.
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he (Hansen) actually started his career at CHF - can play there very well
 
I would love to have Hansen at Carlton, if only there was priority pick and we got gibbs and hansen. Gumbleton might have a little bit of an edge over Hansen but Hansen would fit in very nicely in the Carlton line up.
 
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