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Originally posted by David Votoupal
Another thing is that I've never seen or heard of any Anglo-Saxon abusing ethnics in anyway but I know of plenty of cases where ethnics have abused others on the streets, in schools, etc. I know people who could be described as ethnic chauvanists, and of course we know that particular ethnic gangs have abused women in some of our suburbs. So there you have the whole story.

plural of anecdote = data

Now, I have seen and heard anglo saxons abusing ethnics...where does that leave us? My anecdotal evidence not as good as yours, or is mine better? What's the truth?
 
Originally posted by London Dave
his definition, not mine, just pointing out what I consider a contradiction, all cultures are equal, but one is more equal than others!
Oh please, Some cultures are better, better and looking after themselves and treating each other better. Look at some countries gee I wouldnt want to live in those if people gave me $1 million. I love Aussie culture and wouldnt want to see it changed to much yes we were shaped by imigrants but that was when we were growing to an acceptable population. Now we are settled and developed and have our own culture!
 
Originally posted by nicko18
neither are they here. you just call it such to suit your argument. playstations, dvd players etc.

Playstations? dvds? where do you get this cr@p. Tell me, why do you think they were sewing their lips together, and going on hunger strikes?
 

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Originally posted by Milkman
Playstations? dvds? where do you get this cr@p. Tell me, why do you think they were sewing their lips together, and going on hunger strikes?
i've answered that before. they were promised a new and better life only to find their hopes had been dashed, hence the media stunt. you dont go doing that crap if you are thankful to be safe, you do it because you are ungrateful about not having your promises of life living in Australia realised.
 
"Six asylum seekers escaped from the Woomera detention centre early yesterday morning in a violent breakout in which guards were attacked with tyre levers and nearly hit by getaway vehicles.

Immigration Minister Philip Ruddock said one guard had his legs beaten with a tyre lever while another was hit in the chest with a "similar implement". He said people wearing balaclavas tried to drive over guards as 15 detainees attempted to break out of the centre." - The Age

heaven forbid if the detainees were the victims here :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by roosforever
Oh please, Some cultures are better, better and looking after themselves and treating each other better.

According to you perhpas, some cultures would find the materialism in Australia rather distasteful, inferior even. I'm not saying which is better or not, but am suspecting your 'superiority complex' leads you to the conclusion 'Aussie' culture is better than, or at least the equal of, most if not all others. You seem to confuse your opinion as fact.

Originally posted by roosforever
I love Aussie culture and wouldnt want to see it changed to much yes we were shaped by imigrants but that was when we were growing to an acceptable population. Now we are settled and developed and have our own culture!

So, basically, you don't want Aussie culture changed from the way it is now. Pretty much want the status quo. Gee, aren't you lucky people a generation ago didn't 'think' like you. Imagine what sort of culture you'd be subjected to! I suspect you might be taking that million dollars to move elsewhere!
 
Originally posted by David Votoupal
It's as if you have to be an ethnic to feel special.
What's the matter? Don't you feel special enough, snookums?


You live in Sydney, so you should be aware of the facts concerning some of our grim suburbs. Do I have to mention Cabramatta, Fairfield, Bankstown, Punchbowl, Greenacre, Lakemba, Liverpool, Campsie, Auburn, etc? I stay out of those places and with good reason.
Been to them all plenty of times. Not my favourite suburbs, but I don't have a problem with them.

You sound like a real racist. I'm interested if Votoupal is your surname, and if so what is it's origin. Doesn't sound overly anglo-saxon.


At what point will people admit that we are in danger of creating a segregated society where ethnic groups don't integrate, don't mix and ultimately become the breeding ground for some of Sydney's ugly social problems such as drugs and violent crime? It is not the fault of the majority, it's the fault of those who don't feel the need to integrate into our society because they are encouraged to maintain a separate identity.
I partly agree with you here. This is one of the reasons I believe immigration should be slowed for a few years. I'm still a supporter of multi-culturalism - too fast too soon is not good though.


My parents are non-Anglo immigrants but they consider themselves Australian, mix with the majority population and above all LOVE AUSTRALIA and everything this great country stands for, and are extremely grateful for it. So do I. In contrast, we have allowed in a lot of people who don't love our country and what it stands for and have complete contempt for its people, values, laws and way of life. That's the thing which makes a lot of us angry and have a desire to see that corrected.
Some but not all. Slow down the immigration for a few years and this will decline. Multi-cultualism still good.
 
Originally posted by nicko18
i've answered that before. they were promised a new and better life only to find their hopes had been dashed, hence the media stunt. you dont go doing that crap if you are thankful to be safe, you do it because you are ungrateful about not having your promises of life living in Australia realised.

Media stunt? The commercial media has consistenty been in favour of mandatory detention.
 
Originally posted by nicko18
"Six asylum seekers escaped from the Woomera detention centre early yesterday morning in a violent breakout in which guards were attacked with tyre levers and nearly hit by getaway vehicles.

Immigration Minister Philip Ruddock said one guard had his legs beaten with a tyre lever while another was hit in the chest with a "similar implement". He said people wearing balaclavas tried to drive over guards as 15 detainees attempted to break out of the centre." - The Age

heaven forbid if the detainees were the victims here :rolleyes:

What's your point? I'd sure as hell be trying to escape. And believe me, quoting Phillip Ruddock is not going to earn you any brownie points over here. The mans own children stand against his policies on asylum seekers.
 
Originally posted by Milkman
What's your point? I'd sure as hell be trying to escape. And believe me, quoting Phillip Ruddock is not going to earn you any brownie points over here. The mans own children stand against his policies on asylum seekers.
yes, you would be trying to escape, certainly if you were promised (and paid for) a new life living in this country. and yes, i would suggest that his children, who are not remotely involved in the dept of immigration whatsoever, are in a better position to judge.
 
Originally posted by nicko18
yes, you would be trying to escape, certainly if you were promised (and paid for) a new life living in this country. and yes, i would suggest that his children, who are not remotely involved in the dept of immigration whatsoever, are in a better position to judge.

They'd certainly be a good judge of his character and motives. And they aren't children anymore either.
 

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Originally posted by bunsen burner


You sound like a real racist. I'm interested if Votoupal is your surname, and if so what is it's origin. Doesn't sound overly anglo-saxon.


How can you call me a "real racist" when all I did was state facts about certain Sydney suburbs? Is that what "racism" means to you, stating facts the PC brigade doesn't want to hear?

This is why more often than not the Police have a difficult time doing their job, because anything they do with regards to certain communities is likely to be decribed as racist. Look at the reaction to Bob Carr and Peter Ryan when they even dared to suggest that there is an ethnic-related crime problem in our city?

The killing of John Newman broke the back for some people, but it's the drug and gang-related problems of the last few years that's made most of us really wake up to what's happening in our suburbs.

And yes, I am not an Anglo-Saxon but the only identity I can ever identify myself with is Australian and only Australian. I won't put myself into any ethnic category or "hyphenated" category as such, because it doesn't matter to me. I don't feel the need to belong to a "community" as such.

Point is, how would you like it if your friends or relatives brought someone into your house and they behaved in a way that was totally unacceptable to you? It's the exact same thing with new arrivals to this country. We should have a right to determine an immigration policy that is best for our country.
 
Originally posted by nicko18
as are you, or did you forget that?

I'm not in favour of it, in it's current form. I hope as many of those asylum seekers as possible slip by our coast guard. Not until we catch up with the rest of the civilized world, will I think any different.
 
Originally posted by nicko18
yes, but not a clue about the consequences of open slather.

So nicko, immgiration policy is either mandatory detention or open slather ....it may be that perhaps Ruddocks 'children' are not the exclusive members of the 'not a clue' club.
 
Originally posted by Milkman
I'm not in favour of it, in it's current form. I hope as many of those asylum seekers as possible slip by our coast guard. Not until we catch up with the rest of the civilized world, will I think any different.
and canada is a much better country than us for it arent they?

and hoping these people slip our coastguard... farking moron.
 
Originally posted by nicko18
and canada is a much better country than us for it arent they?

Apparently:

http://www.ceps.be/Events/Webnotes/2003/010403.php

I know you aren't too fond of reading, which does account for some of your ignorance, but I suggest you give that link a look in, before criticizing Canada's methods of dealing with asylum seekers. They are both much more humane and efficient.
 

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Originally posted by bunsen burner
I know people who have been coding for six years and are finding it difficult to get a job. There isn't much out there for IT people at the moment - especially grads.

My MEC course is actually a mix of business too, as some of my classmates are MBA students. Therefore the course i am doing is just as applicable in some areas, i just have to get that across to any future employers.
 
Originally posted by Spidergirl~RiCkChiCk
No i wasn't smart enough according to the school system to make it into Uni Bee.

Hardly a high flying business woman but i have been offered internal vacancies that normally only are given to people who hold degrees.

I know for a fact many Asians at our work yes they are working and the government is paying for their uni degree meanwhile my boyfriend had to pay for his when he too is from another country why is this?

Guess what? I had to pay for my uni degree too, and I was born here. Why is that?
So what do you think of Howard's new policy on education, Spidey?

You still haven't answered my question on why you are shocked that Asians be allowed to vote?
 
I hope as many of those asylum seekers as possible slip by our coast guard.

Oh sweet Jesus...
If I were an illegal immigrant, who happened to burn my papers and be a serial rapist/murderer in my country of origin, i'd be hoping to slip by the coast guard and make a little visit to you and your family...

D*ckhead.
 
Anyone else who wants to move to Australia has to go through all sorts of beaurocratic red tape which can take years. And that's before they're even allowed to set foot in the country.
If these boat people arrive without going through that, they have no right to be here and it's only right we lock them away. Can you really trust them to turn up at their deportation hearings - they've already broken the law once.
Genuine refugees should be looked after, and we do, but why should we let in the rest of them? They have no right to be here. As I mentioned previously, the migration procedures are very tight for non-refugees, and that is the queue the non-refugees are jumping.
Or should we abolish all immigration controls and let anyone who wants to move in, no questions asked.
 
one thing i want to know is this:

why do these refugees pass by many other safe countries and make the journey all the way out to Australia?

Would you rather run a thousand kilometers to your nearest safe haven, or sail tens of thousands to australia?

It seems strange that these people are claiming to be genuine refugees, yet they dont take the first safe port offered.

Any comments?
 
Originally posted by Milkman
Apparently:

http://www.ceps.be/Events/Webnotes/2003/010403.php

I know you aren't too fond of reading, which does account for some of your ignorance, but I suggest you give that link a look in, before criticizing Canada's methods of dealing with asylum seekers. They are both much more humane and efficient.

and where does it say Canada is a better country? i know Australia always gets higher marks than Canada does.

and is that article concerning refugees where the Canadian govt knows where they come from, and they have their papers, or are we going to continue to compare apples to peaches?
 

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