Hartlett

[Juddys_navy_blues]

Anyone be able to tell me how Hartlett is going? Is he any chance of getting into the seniors and what are his chances of being with us beyond this year? Thanks.

 

[goreds]

Anyone be able to tell me how Hartlett is going? Is he any chance of getting into the seniors and what are his chances of being with us beyond this year? Thanks.

Saw him play the last 2 games.

He is a big chance as he is really settling into the CHB position.

The bye last week didn't help but his ability to mark, spoil and kick the ball a country mile will mean he will go close sooner rather than later.

Has not put a foot wrong since he has been back.

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

Thanks Go, Really positive news on him, finally he might deliver.

 

[diesel1]

I like him in the backline; he has been great back there in the Ants. His drive from defence is really fantastic; he can kick the ball a long way which can break some zones. Having a long penetrating kick in modern football is important, for example Hodge at Hawthorn. His spoiling has been impressive, rarely has he been beaten one on one, saying that it is much easier at VFL level.

Although I'm sure most people would tend to disagree with me, I reckon Hartlett is a better option than Bower. I've been very patient with this bloke, thinking his decision making was going to get better, but it still hasn’t happened. He just doesn't seem to be comfortable.

Don’t all come out and say, “Did you watch the game against Hawthorn? He beat Buddy”. Buddy has been his worst enemy, no fitness and his not marking the ball like he did last year due to the thumb operation.

 

[goreds]

I like him in the backline; he has been great back there in the Ants. His drive from defence is really fantastic; he can kick the ball a long way which can break some zones. Having a long penetrating kick in modern football is important, for example Hodge at Hawthorn. His spoiling has been impressive, rarely has he been beaten one on one, saying that it is much easier at VFL level.

Although I'm sure most people would tend to disagree with me, I reckon Hartlett is a better option than Bower. I've been very patient with this bloke, thinking his decision making was going to get better, but it still hasn’t happened. He just doesn't seem to be comfortable.

Don’t all come out and say, “Did you watch the game against Hawthorn? He beat Buddy”. Buddy has been his worst enemy, no fitness and his not marking the ball like he did last year due to the thumb operation.

I agree that Harlett is a better option. His only problem is lack of speed.

Bower makes me nervous everytime he gets the ball. His decision making is the worst in the side and he kicks the ball straight in the air.

Harlett will get his chance.

 

[Blue_Ninja]

It would be fantastic if Hartlett were able to step up to AFL level, not get injured, and not get reported. We all know that we need another capable, big bodied bloke down back, and I would love to see him break 'zones' with his kicking ability, but there are a lot of 'ifs' with this guy. I wish him all the best, and hope that he delivers, but I'm not going to hold my breath......

 

[The Exorcist]

I like him in the backline; he has been great back there in the Ants. His drive from defence is really fantastic; he can kick the ball a long way which can break some zones. Having a long penetrating kick in modern football is important, for example Hodge at Hawthorn. His spoiling has been impressive, rarely has he been beaten one on one, saying that it is much easier at VFL level.

Although I'm sure most people would tend to disagree with me, I reckon Hartlett is a better option than Bower. I've been very patient with this bloke, thinking his decision making was going to get better, but it still hasn’t happened. He just doesn't seem to be comfortable.

Don’t all come out and say, “Did you watch the game against Hawthorn? He beat Buddy”. Buddy has been his worst enemy, no fitness and his not marking the ball like he did last year due to the thumb operation.

Okay, I won't say "Did you watch the game against Hawthorn. He (Bower) Beat Buddy," although Buddy has kicked a number of goals this year. However, don't also forget that he beat Buddy last year in round 22, when Buddy was at the top of this game. Bower has also done very well against other top line opponents this year, namely one Jonathon Brown in round 2. Bower is young and always improving, yes, he looks awkward and slight, but always does the job and his skills are a lot better than what you'd reckon, he's actually very sound and will be very good.

As for Hartlett, you can have Harlett in the backline alongside Thornton, Jamo, and Bower. Harts has been in good form, his kicking is excellent, and it would allow the Blues to release Waite up the field. Much prefer Harts to Setanta as a backline option. The problem facing Harts is Austin, they're fighting for the same position - both can play back and forward and are key position players.

 

[Blue Ratts]

agree..bower and harts then waite goes forward

 

[Blue Dimension]

I like him in the backline; he has been great back there in the Ants. His drive from defence is really fantastic; he can kick the ball a long way which can break some zones. Having a long penetrating kick in modern football is important, for example Hodge at Hawthorn. His spoiling has been impressive, rarely has he been beaten one on one, saying that it is much easier at VFL level.

Although I'm sure most people would tend to disagree with me, I reckon Hartlett is a better option than Bower. I've been very patient with this bloke, thinking his decision making was going to get better, but it still hasn’t happened. He just doesn't seem to be comfortable.

Don’t all come out and say, “Did you watch the game against Hawthorn? He beat Buddy”. Buddy has been his worst enemy, no fitness and his not marking the ball like he did last year due to the thumb operation.

Don't get me wrong, I've been a massive supporter of Hartlett but Bower is by far and away more advanced than him at this point in time.

I agree that Harlett is a better option. His only problem is lack of speed.

Bower makes me nervous everytime he gets the ball. His decision making is the worst in the side and he kicks the ball straight in the air.

 

[diesel1]

Okay, I won't say "Did you watch the game against Hawthorn. He (Bower) Beat Buddy," although Buddy has kicked a number of goals this year. However, don't also forget that he beat Buddy last year in round 22, when Buddy was at the top of this game. Bower has also done very well against other top line opponents this year, namely one Jonathon Brown in round 2. Bower is young and always improving, yes, he looks awkward and slight, but always does the job and his skills are a lot better than what you'd reckon, he's actually very sound and will be very good.

As for Hartlett, you can have Harlett in the backline alongside Thornton, Jamo, and Bower. Harts has been in good form, his kicking is excellent, and it would allow the Blues to release Waite up the field. Much prefer Harts to Setanta as a backline option. The problem facing Harts is Austin, they're fighting for the same position - both can play back and forward and are key position players.

Sorry, Buddy again was his own worst enemy last year; the pressure was put from the other end in Fevola. Buddy was getting plenty of the ball and could have kicked 8 in the round 22 clash against the blues last year. IIRC Waite was 3rd man up, pushing into his space as well. Buddy was unstoppable last year, so I didn’t highlight that game.

I struggle to comprehend why on earth you would bring up the round two clash against Brisbane to defend Bower. He comprehensively got beaten by Bradshaw, if we weren’t up by so much we would have lost because of him. I didn’t bring that game up because Bower isn’t suited to Bradshaw; Bradshaw was out muscling him easily.

Don’t get me wrong, I like the kid, he is only 20 surprisingly, and there’s plenty of upside, but right now I would have Hartlett ahead of Bower. Everyone that has watched the Bullants in the past would know how much talent Hartlett has, but injury has been his downfall. He is finally stringing games together so I would like to see him don the navy blue for the 9th time.

 

[gbatman]

We need to try him, perhaps against the Lions then the Saints. He's an excellent long and accurate kick and he's the right and a Nice build. He's close to selection I think. Probably still lacking fitness, due to him missing a fair bit of preseason and cramping a few weeks ago.

Bower is not ready yet but for once in a long time we can pencil him in at CHB and not think twice about it. He's playing good footy and he's gonna be great.

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

Thanks everyone for the feedback on Hartlett, From what ive read it looks like Harts could still be with the Blues in 2010.

 

[bLuEbOy1984]

Bower is fine i think he has earned his postion and is well further advanced that Harts... his got condifence and plays with flair.. i think his been great for our team... he may have struggled against the bigger bodies but with more time in the gym he will fix that up...

back onto harts, glad to hear his doing well... lets hope he gets his crack, i rather have him in instead of Cloke..

 

[Silvagnis]

Gone beyond this year.

I'd like to see Carlton retain the younger Edwards ahead of Hartlett because he has the pace and skill to make it as a leading forward. I see Jake Edwards as a similar player to Jack Anthony if he pulls his finger out and improves his intensity.

Yet I can't see either receiving another contract.

 

[The Exorcist]

Sorry, Buddy again was his own worst enemy last year; the pressure was put from the other end in Fevola. Buddy was getting plenty of the ball and could have kicked 8 in the round 22 clash against the blues last year. IIRC Waite was 3rd man up, pushing into his space as well. Buddy was unstoppable last year, so I didn’t highlight that game.

I struggle to comprehend why on earth you would bring up the round two clash against Brisbane to defend Bower. He comprehensively got beaten by Bradshaw, if we weren’t up by so much we would have lost because of him. I didn’t bring that game up because Bower isn’t suited to Bradshaw; Bradshaw was out muscling him easily.

Don’t get me wrong, I like the kid, he is only 20 surprisingly, and there’s plenty of upside, but right now I would have Hartlett ahead of Bower. Everyone that has watched the Bullants in the past would know how much talent Hartlett has, but injury has been his downfall. He is finally stringing games together so I would like to see him don the navy blue for the 9th time.

Don't doubt Hartlett's talent, his kicking would be a huge plus and he can take a pack grab. Would be great to see him in the team, especially now he's had a bit of luck injury wise.

But will say Bower is ahead of Harts at this stage - Bower has made much more of his opportunities on the big stage and performed much better than Harts when both have been given the opportunity at AFL level. Bradshaw did beat (thrash even) Bower in the 2nd round, once Jamo got injured and Bower was moved out of his usual Half back line position, Jamo's injury through out the game plan and the match ups that had been planned for. Also my post dealt with Brown who plays on the Half Forward line and it is the half back line that Bower is being groomed for - Bower had the points on him when he played on him.

Just on Buddy, I think it's a bit unfair to say that every time a defender holds Buddy it's because of Buddy and nothing to do with the defender. True, Buddy can be his own worst enemy, but the player who plays on him must be given some credit when Buddy doesn't perform, otherwise the opposition may as well never have an opponent for Buddy.

And I'm not saying that Harts shoukld not be in the team, what I am saying is that it shouldn't be at the expense of Bower. I think the competition for Harts is Austin, not Bower. Austin and Harts are similar players playing for the same spot.

 

[Charbzilla]

Bower >>> Austin >>>>>>>>>> Hartlett

I would love to see Hartlett string at least 10 games together. I pray for that day.

 

[thylacine60]

Pretty sure he has played all games for the Ants. Don't know if he missed recently with that calf cramp. Injuries have not been an excuse this season - he has done everything asked of him I reckon.

 

[celtic_pride]

The rise and emergence of Austin I believe has put paid to any chance of Hartlett's career at Carlton.

I think honestly that if he has stayed injury free and performed well week in week out with the Bullants, that is the first sign you know a player is in deep deep trouble, to maintain his position on the list.

I think if we were in another 'rebuilding/development' year, the club would most likely have given him a couple of games, but I think the fact is Aussie's development has impressed the club, and Hartlett was only retained as 'insurance' on the list last year.

The club has given him quite a few chances, and be through injury or poor form in the Seniors, he just has not delivered at all, and I don't think the club will risk playing him at all this year, when there is so much at stake this seasons (finals etc ...)

It's almost certain now taking all those things into consideration that he'll be delisted at the end of the season.

 

[Kramer1]

The rise and emergence of Austin I believe has put paid to any chance of Hartlett's career at Carlton.

I think honestly that if he has stayed injury free and performed well week in week out with the Bullants, that is the first sign you know a player is in deep deep trouble, to maintain his position on the list.

I think if we were in another 'rebuilding/development' year, the club would most likely have given him a couple of games, but I think the fact is Aussie's development has impressed the club, and Hartlett was only retained as 'insurance' on the list last year.

The club has given him quite a few chances, and be through injury or poor form in the Seniors, he just has not delivered at all, and I don't think the club will risk playing him at all this year, when there is so much at stake this seasons (finals etc ...)

It's almost certain now taking all those things into consideration that he'll be delisted at the end of the season.

You haven't just jumped the gun, you've pole vaulted the ****ing thing.

Hartlett is just 23...an age when you would expect your KPP's to be coming on, and it seems he is (to an extent). Of course we all would have liked him to have showed a little more over the last few years, but aside from a 12 goal effort in a giggle of a practise game Fev didn't look much chop until the same age.

I think were also forgetting that Hartlett cam through the Pagan era, and in terms of development I dare say this hasn't done him too many favours. He's the perfect modern KPP size, can play the game, and kicks it a country mile. Eight injury interrrupted games doesn't constitute a few chances as far as I am concerned...I'd be disappointed if he wasn't shown a few more.

Twice this year Ratts has suggested he is not far away from a senior gig, and I'd surprised if we don't see him in the coming weeks.

 

[celtic_pride]

You haven't just jumped the gun, you've pole vaulted the ****ing thing.

Hartlett is just 23...an age when you would expect your KPP's to be coming on, and it seems he is (to an extent). Of course we all would have liked him to have showed a little more over the last few years, but aside from a 12 goal effort in a giggle of a practise game Fev didn't look much chop until the same age.

I think were also forgetting that Hartlett cam through the Pagan era, and in terms of development I dare say this hasn't done him too many favours. He's the perfect modern KPP size, can play the game, and kicks it a country mile. Eight injury interrrupted games doesn't constitute a few chances as far as I am concerned...I'd be disappointed if he wasn't shown a few more.

Twice this year Ratts has suggested he is not far away from a senior gig, and I'd surprised if we don't see him in the coming weeks.

Well the harsh reality is that (and I realise I'm maybe looking too much into the future) at the end of the year, the club has to make several changes/delistings to the list before the national draft, and right now, I would say Hartlett's would be among the first discussed, whether to be retained or not, along with Edwards, Bannister and Bentick (among others)

As it stands right now, It would be somewhat of a gamble playing him, and I think even at age 23, and granted he's had an incredibly bad run of injuries, but I still feel he should have shown/done more by this stage (been on the list, what 5/6 years now ?)
My gut feel is that the club will cut it's losses at the end of the year.

 

[Blue Dimension]

Plenty of time from now till the end of the year CP. This time last year i was saying Wiggins would be cut after his string of games in the reserves to start the season.

I honestly believe the Blues rate Harts, otherwise they wouldn't have stuck with him for so long. You don't just cut a player who's starting to show some really good form. If his strong form continues he's likely to get games in the seniors.

Bit too early to call.

 

[celtic_pride]

Plenty of time from now till the end of the year CP. This time last year i was saying Wiggins would be cut after his string of games in the reserves to start the season.

I honestly believe the Blues rate Harts, otherwise they wouldn't have stuck with him for so long. You don't just cut a player who's starting to show some really good form. If his strong form continues he's likely to get games in the seniors.

Bit too early to call.

Your probably right, however with our season as it is right now, it would be an 'risk' playing him and who would you drop honestly to make way for him ???
As it stands, I'm happy with our our current line-up (mostly) and feel that right now I don't think the club should play be playing him in the seniors, esp if it came at the expense of another youngster like Austin.

 

[Blue Dimension]

Your probably right, however with our season as it is right now, it would be an 'risk' playing him and who would you drop honestly to make way for him ???
As it stands, I'm happy with our our current line-up (mostly) and feel that right now I don't think the club should play be playing him in the seniors, esp if it came at the expense of another youngster like Austin.

Wouldn't drop anyone for him at the moment, i agree. But then if/when injuries come into play he'll be ripe for the picking if he continues to perform.

Touch wood but say a couple of our defenders were to get injured or get a couple of niggles along the way, i daresay he'd get his opportunity.

 

[Azul]

Adam is next in line. Fisher's career is over, given Saddington is outperforming him. Setanta and Cloke have nothing on him, form wise.

I suspect he could get a call up sooner rather than later.

It all depends on Fev. If he has another modest performance and particularly if we lose, that'll be 3 games in a row he's struggled to have an impact. In that scenario Ratts needs to sit him down and say "Brendan, enough's enough. You can't play injured for the rest of the season." Giving him a few games off, including the mid-season break is the only hope of him shrugging off leg problems. Against Tarrant/Presti/Rutten/Scarlett, Fevola won't have an impact if he's not 100%.

Hartlett would go back. Austin/Hampson/Kreuzer/Waite would share the two key forward spots. Short term pain, long term we'll have other options than "kick it to Fev in hope".