Harvey to replace Pagan?

[BlackGoanna]

Just a rumour! But, an interesting one.

It was alleged that Mark Harvey was seen dining (meeting) with a group of Carlton powerbrokers recently. Not sure who the powerbrokers are! When or where the meeting occurred? Information has come from a ex-Bulldogs player.

Could be a succession plan in place? Thoughts

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

No thanks

 

[HBF]

Just a rumour! But, an interesting one.

It was alleged that Mark Harvey was seen dining (meeting) with a group of Carlton powerbrokers recently. Not sure who the powerbrokers are! When or where the meeting occurred? Information has come from a ex-Bulldogs player.

Could be a succession plan in place? Thoughts

Interesting, although Pagan still has 2 years to run on his contract. I doubt Carlton would or could pay out his hefty contract.

 

[BlackGoanna]

Interesting, although Pagan still has 2 years to run on his contract. I doubt Carlton would or could pay out his hefty contract.

Agree, cant and wont afford it. Perplexed about why they would be meeting him.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

The rumour goes that someone is prepared to pay out Pagan from his own pocket. I'd prefer they kept Pagan and paid Harvey's salary for the next two years straight on to our debt.

It seems that people think we will get more corporate support with a new coach and/or board and this would be spending money to make money. Apparently though, SOS is the person they want to come back to the fold.

Dare we hope for a friendly offseason media wise? Unlikely.

 

[OZBomb]

That would be a risky, if not bad, decision. I would rather we let Pagan run his contract and then assess if the new list is progressing enough to justify his position.

 

[deluxeman]

The rumour goes that someone is prepared to pay out Pagan from his own pocket. I'd prefer they kept Pagan and paid Harvey's salary for the next two years straight on to our debt.

Have to agree.

No point wasting money now on a new coach which will probably not produce much better results next year than Pagan would have.
Would rather we keep him for the next 2 years, and then invest in a coach that lives and breathes Carlton. (hopefully a Ratten or Dean if they're up to it)

 

[Barb4Prez!]

I get the feeling that Pagan will get one more year to get this team heading up the ladder. If we finish anywhere less than 13th he will be bought out as our lack of success is hurting our sponsorship and membership $$. I was always a supporter of Pagan's but with a better list all we have improved this year is not getting smashed every 2nd week but we still get consistently beaten even after a win when our confidence should be up. The Hawthorn, Richmond and even the Essendon result has really lowered my confidence in Pagan and the constant excuses about young inexperienced can't be helping the playing groups confidence. If you said to any coach at the start of the year you would have the AA full forward & coleman medalist, the NAB rising star and potentially two all australian half backs in Whitnall and Scotland and they would win the spoon they would wonder what you were smoking. I would be for any coach that would bring a fresh new approach to Carlton F.C as Pagan's isn't working.

 

[Blues_Man]

Harvey is a brain dead moron ...I'd prefer Danny Frawley to him

 

[stokesy]

I'm a fan of Harvey, I'd have him in a heart beat.

 

[jj1978]

The thought of having an Essendon bred person leading the Blues makes me more nauseous than winning the spoon.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Interesting, although Pagan still has 2 years to run on his contract. I doubt Carlton would or could pay out his hefty contract.

Heard 3AW say the same thing about Harvey seeing, so it's kore than once source. Pagan will be paid out the way things seem to be heading. After an AFL review of our finances the only place we are losing money is membership and match day.....cotorie etc... (seems, going by Smorgon's interview on the ABC a few weeks ago that they are also initiating our coaching review too). Other revenue is ok (sponsorship etc....), cost are pretty good so the key is to find a way of increasing match day finances. The only way of doing that is to change things up in the coaching box. What we lose paying out Pagan we gain two or threefold with increases in membership and match day finances.

 

[Jimthegreat]

The thought of having an Essendon bred person leading the Blues makes me more nauseous than winning the spoon.

If he can coach I'm happy to have him. Let's not let personal bias cloud our judgement. It's not smart. I'm happy to have Harvey, although Barry Mitchell is my first choice.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

let Marc Murphy become player coach next year, and give the captaincy to Gibbs

 

[MeeSo]

What we lose paying out Pagan we gain two or threefold with increases in membership and match day finances.

No we won't.

 

[Jimthegreat]

No we won't.

Yes we will. The drop in membership this year equates to what we owe Pagan paying him out alone. Get that back and you've covered the payout in one go. We pay Kouta alot less next year, so in com[arison there's money extra next year. Given that and match day revenue are our the only areas causing our losses (part of that ABC interview so it pretty factual, and generated by the AFL), it doesn't take much in the way of smarts to work out that on-field improvement and membership will more than cover Pagan's pay out. There's only one way to generate interest amongst the membesr and that's make changes generating hope and enthusiam. Smorgon point-blank refused to guarantee Pagan's position 3 times when interviewed and certainly didn't deny it when asked if the coaching review was AFL generated. All he said that the Board would have done their own review anyway. Work it out yourself, you're a smart man.

 

[Bluebear]

Yes we will. The drop in membership this year equates to what we owe Pagan paying him out alone. Get that back and you've covered the payout in one go.

Factored in the cost of the new coach?
Not sure how sacking a coach (very Richmond) will magically increase attendances, given that the new coah will have a new style that the playing group will suck at (because they lack skills - our real problem as oppsed to thse made up probs people keep crapping on about!), and we will finsih last again - maybe not a bad ploy if angling for draft picks - but financially stupid and not in our best interests.

 

[audas]

Magic bullets dont exist.

 

[audas]

Magic bullets dont exist.

Sacking Pagan will bring back membership ? Right so what if a whole lot of supporters think Pagan has had a rough trot from fair weather supporters and board alike and if they were to sack him it would be the last straw and off they walk. There maybe more people out there who understand the hard yards that are required than short termers who need immediate gratification. Might make things worse. CERTAINLY dont want more strife in the blues, nothing could be worse for the club than sacking the coach, would spell the end.

 

[jj1978]

From what I've seen or heard from Smorgon so far is a bit of huff and puff.

He's a new president, whose 2 predecessors have had a fair bit of ire from supporters; Elliot-we know the story, Collins-bye bye home ground.

I think he's just trying to make his mark by being tough and trying to make supporters think he has balls and will get the job done.

I think it's a bit of reverse psychology - hear me out.

You don't guarantee to supporters that all coaching places will be reviewed... supporters go, "Gee this guy is good, we can trust him because he's going through all the processes to ensure we are heading in the right direction". And in the end he'll end up saying after all our reviews we firmly believe Pagan is still the man for the job.

Collins recall also had a bit of a huff and puff over Pagan and eventually re-signed him for another 3.

I think Pagan is safe, Smorgon just a good business man who's going through all the motions to obtain our trust and to let those within Carlton know that he's the man.

Ahhh the good ole power play trick!

 

[HBF]

The rumour goes that someone is prepared to pay out Pagan from his own pocket. I'd prefer they kept Pagan and paid Harvey's salary for the next two years straight on to our debt.

It seems that people think we will get more corporate support with a new coach and/or board and this would be spending money to make money. Apparently though, SOS is the person they want to come back to the fold.

Dare we hope for a friendly offseason media wise? Unlikely.

I believe more and more people are becoming frustarted with Pagans style of coaching and his inability to improve the teams skills. I'm not sure who would want to pay out his contarct, but to be honest, a new coach might just be what we need to lift us up the ladder.

ODN - Do you know of the person who is prepared to pay out Pagans contract?

 

[BlackGoanna]

I believe more and more people are becoming frustarted with Pagans style of coaching and his inability to improve the teams skills. I'm not sure who would want to pay out his contarct, but to be honest, a new coach might just be what we need to lift us up the ladder.

ODN - Do you know of the person who is prepared to pay out Pagans contract?

Think of the people inside the club who can afford it? Smorgan and co.

 

[jj1978]

Think of the people inside the club who can afford it? Smorgan and co.

I'd rather invest the (assumed) 1.5 million to pay out his contract to paying off the debt. Interest on 1.5 Million over a few years is hurting our financially unstable club.

But in Saying that if you find a coach to work for 1/2 Pagan's income the 700K or so saved could go straight to the debt.

I think in the end the board will give him another year.... this talk about Carlton talking to other potential coaches could be more for an assistants role with view to becoming senior when Pagan's contract expires.

 

[1980GFVideo]

Harvey is a brain dead moron ...I'd prefer Danny Frawley to him

No you wouldnt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bluevegas]

Just a rumour! But, an interesting one.

It was alleged that Mark Harvey was seen dining (meeting) with a group of Carlton powerbrokers recently. Not sure who the powerbrokers are! When or where the meeting occurred? Information has come from a ex-Bulldogs player.

Could be a succession plan in place? Thoughts

Interesting to here that, last week during an interview on Perths Ch 7 news with Mark Harvey, Basil Z made a tongue in cheek remark about Mark conducting the interview in the west (Wembley Downs) & not in Melbourne. Mark then elaborated by stating he hasn't been in Melbourne nor has he had any contact with the Carlton football Club. I was a bit taken back to the last bit as Mark Harvey needed not mention the Blues as Basil hadn't.

I didn't post that last week as its pure speculation but what you have posted may give some credence to it.